Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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what was going on all summer?

drama with mutual friends, cryptic back and forths on social media (IG stories so they don't last), she removed about you in mid July from her pre show set list, he had a complete breakdown in Malaysia on stage and then a worse one on stage in Hawaii after a weird lollapaloza set, he wore the same clothes for 2 shows in a row while also traveling in them. checking his phone (??) while performing. again hooking up wiht the woman he was hookign up wiht while 'working at teh studio' in Feb 23. she was crying in a car after performing in Detroit....they may have gotten back together briefly, it is believed he was supposed to be at her LA shows and didn't show. that's when it went very bad ending with a weird pap walk in September when he looked bizarre ("where's that guy"-- literally what were were all saying, where did Matty go? bc he looked like a strung out rock star on a bender with new girl, while Taylor literally was walking in a circle with jack's wife a few blocks away, same day). its weird what you can glean from social media these days.

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Anonymous wrote:She wrote this album for herself, not the fans. If you don't get that, go back and listen to "I can do it with a broken heart".

All fine and well, only problem is this is Taylor "call your radio stations and tell them to play my song" Swift. She can't deal with anything less.

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what will be the radio hit from this album? I Can Do It With A Broken Heart is already on loop in my head

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Anonymous wrote:She wrote this album for herself, not the fans. If you don't get that, go back and listen to "I can do it with a broken heart".

All fine and well, only problem is this is Taylor "call your radio stations and tell them to play my song" Swift. She can't deal with anything less.

Call your radio stations? You are so completely out of touch.

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what was going on all summer?

drama with mutual friends, cryptic back and forths on social media (IG stories so they don't last), she removed about you in mid July from her pre show set list, he had a complete breakdown in Malaysia on stage and then a worse one on stage in Hawaii after a weird lollapaloza set, he wore the same clothes for 2 shows in a row while also traveling in them. checking his phone (??) while performing. again hooking up wiht the woman he was hookign up wiht while 'working at teh studio' in Feb 23. she was crying in a car after performing in Detroit....they may have gotten back together briefly, it is believed he was supposed to be at her LA shows and didn't show. that's when it went very bad ending with a weird pap walk in September when he looked bizarre ("where's that guy"-- literally what were were all saying, where did Matty go? bc he looked like a strung out rock star on a bender with new girl, while Taylor literally was walking in a circle with jack's wife a few blocks away, same day). its weird what you can glean from social media these days.

Isn't the guy into drugs? How do you know any of his behavior had to do with her at all?

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Isn't the guy into drugs? How do you know any of his behavior had to do with her at all?

Clues, performances, social media posts, historical knowledge, song choices at performances, even tattoos (Matty showed up wiht a t tattoo on his arm in the second week of June). For example right now in real time his buddy and bandmate's fiancé who introduced matty to his new girlfriend AND toured with Taylor (Charlie xcx) is tweeting cryptically and matty just got ambushed by a pap on the street.

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We were in NY in June and saw Taylor at the studio. We were staying nearby and my tween wanted to see the studio so we walked by and saw a crowd. Typically Taylor would come out of the studio and wave to fans and/or smile and get in her car. But on this day (late June), the manager of the studio came out and asked the crowd to leave. He said "How would you all feel if you had a long day at work and just wanted to get home"? Then she came out with sunglasses on and rushed to the car with no wave and no smile, no acknowledgement of the fans. I am very curious which song she was writing that day.

I feel terrible that we witnessed that, it was a circus.

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Anonymous wrote:We were in NY in June and saw Taylor at the studio. We were staying nearby and my tween wanted to see the studio so we walked by and saw a crowd. Typically Taylor would come out of the studio and wave to fans and/or smile and get in her car. But on this day (late June), the manager of the studio came out and asked the crowd to leave. He said "How would you all feel if you had a long day at work and just wanted to get home"? Then she came out with sunglasses on and rushed to the car with no wave and no smile, no acknowledgement of the fans. I am very curious which song she was writing that day.

I feel terrible that we witnessed that, it was a circus.

Yes exactly. That was another even my closed subreddit honed in on. She was very upset. I spent that summer though thinking Matty was to one to have been dumped bc he was SO angry in August and September. Most of the board thought he dropped her and they were right.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of artists are melodramatic. Usually though they are angst filled and there is a darkness or heaviness to them and their music. There is a depth to their emotions and pain.

Taylor is glitter and sparkles and kidz bop smiles on stage.

It just doesn’t fit the tortured artist or poet or creative soul that you usually see in musical talent.

If all you know of her is glitter, sparkles, and kidzbop, you likely have only heard 1/3 of her catalogue.

Watch her at the Eras tour. Look at who is in the audience. A lot of children and their moms and teens. And it’s about trading bracelets and kids dressing up in sparkles and glitter to be like Taylor. She is a pop star. That’s it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

Interesting how far back you had to go to come up with a genius. Why would young people today read much or care about poetry? Have you seen how watered down their required HS reading is? Schools don't care to teach classics anymore. What current literary genius should any of them listen to?

I'm the PP and here are 5 modern poets off the top of my head that I think young people today would benefit from reading: Mary Oliver (dead but still so relevant), Maggie Smith, Morgan Parker, Ilya Kaminsky, Ada Limón. This is scratching the surface, get a book on 20th century poetry, there is so much greatness out there.

For musicians, I'd be expansive. All the pop/rock great (including Swift) but also Sondheim, Gershwin, Bernstein. The jazz greats -- Mingus, Davis, Monk, and also the stylists like Holliday, Porter, Fitzgerald. Contemporary singer/songwriters like Courtney Barnett, Kurt Vile, Rufus Wainwright. But also look back a bit. Stevie Nicks, Lucinda Williams, George Clinton, Tom Waits. You could go on and on and on and on.

Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. She is not everything, there are so many other people to listen to and read and investigate and internalize. If you seriously cannot name a single contemporary writer or musician who you think is as talented, interesting, and worth reading/listening to as Taylor Swift, you are an idiot and your opinion is to be disregarded.

Nobody is going to listen to their grandparents, great-grandparents music. This is all very old man shaking fist at the clouds.

If you don't realize that some of the people listed above are contemporaries of Taylor Swift, and many others are just one generation behind (and therefore directly informing the culture and art that Taylor is working in), then I beg of you, try reading something OTHER than Taylor Swift liner notes.

I don't even listen to TS but my daughter does. But I also don't listen to shitty jazz music and some of the other questionable choices you listed. To each their own but young people want their own music. There's nothing stopping them from listening to these dusty choices but they don't. Each generation wants their own music. And perhaps modern poetry doesn't speak to them either. For whatever reason, Taylor does. Maybe it's just not for you to understand.

I'm the PP who listed the poets and musicians I think young people today would be interested in. While I think calling Miles Davis "shitty jazz music" kind of shows you to have no taste, I would also point out that I listed Morgan Parker (a 36 year old poet/essayist/novelist who has written at least 5 poems about Beyoncé, among many others) and Courtney Barnett (a 36 year old Australian singer-songwriter who has songs about social media, isolation in the modern age, heartbreak and relationships). I also mentioned Ada Limón and Maggie Smith, both poets in their 40s who are incredibly accessible while also being critically acclaimed -- check out Limón's The Raincoat and Smith's Good Bones for amazing contemporary poems that are clever, evocative, and come with a gut punch. I could also add in Olivia Rodrigo, Lana Del Rey, Boy Genius and its members as individual artists, though I am betting Swift fans are more familiar with those.

I'm not mentioning these people to say "Taylor Swift sucks." I'm mentioning them in response to people who act like Swift is the only contemporary artist worth listening to. I actually think fans of Swift's music would like all of the aforementioned writers and musicians because they have a lot in common (emotionally raw writing that engages with inventive and clever verse). The point is that when people act like NO ONE is doing what Swift is doing right now (false) or that she is the best modern American poet (also false) it simply demonstrates a lack of knowledge.

By the way, I'm only a few years older than Swift and while I listen to tons of contemporary music (including Swift) I also listen to classical music, "shitty jazz", classic rock, all the original singer-songwriters, freaking klezmer music, whatever strikes my fancy. And I know plenty of young people who do the same. The whole point of being young is to be open to anything, not to go all in on one artist who oh-it-just-so-happens is the most commercially successful musician of the decade. Young people listen to Swift and Nirvana and the Beatles and whatever else crosses their path, and they listen with fresh ears and a different outlook and in so doing, they make what is old new again. I feel sorry for people who don't understand this.

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Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

I understand. There are one billion reasons a man would love her.

She really thinks it's charming that she's fkd in the head.

In a way it is. She has a brilliant, poetic (at times manic) mind and apparently also a very romantic (at times melodramatic) heart. To some with more pragmatic, rational minds and less poetry in their hearts, this would all appear “immature”, “stunted”, “fcked in the head”. But I like to live with the highs and lows too, in color, so I can relate to her personality. I definitely am grateful for the wonderful music she has created.
Her line, “if all you want is gray for me, that’s just white noise” resonated so much with me.

No...it's not charming. That's why she goes through men

This is rich coming from DCUM who tell young women to play the field, don't settle for the first or second, you can't possibly know what you want at a young age. Now you are vilifying the very behavior women on this board promote, hypocrites does not even come close to how f up in the mind so many of you women are, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and the advice you spew out. People, she is an entertainer with a carefully cultivated image that is built upon album after album. No different than any other artists. She's not my "cup of tea" but she has a brilliant business plan and is thriving by sticking to it, no need to over analyze it, it's just entertainment. What people get out of it and how they relate to it is part of the magic that is Taylor Swift who clearly touches a lot of peoples lives in different ways.

DCUM is not a single person, weirdo. You are DCUM. So am I. We don't agree. That's the whole point.

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Anonymous wrote:She wrote this album for herself, not the fans. If you don't get that, go back and listen to "I can do it with a broken heart".

It doesn't work that way. If Taylor wants to write music for herself, she is more than welcome to sit at home with a piano and write and play songs for herself. She put out an album and is on tour. She wants people to buy the album and concert tickets, stream her music, watch her movie, etc. She doesn't get to say "this isn't for the fans." She made herself a product and now people consumer her. She could stop it anytime she wanted, she has enough money to ride of into the sunset.

Also, when she says she wrote it for her, I actually think what she meant is that she wrote it with a desire to be validated for her feelings and her artistry, which is different. That's what every artist wants.

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Anonymous wrote:She wrote this album for herself, not the fans. If you don't get that, go back and listen to "I can do it with a broken heart".

It doesn't work that way. If Taylor wants to write music for herself, she is more than welcome to sit at home with a piano and write and play songs for herself. She put out an album and is on tour. She wants people to buy the album and concert tickets, stream her music, watch her movie, etc. She doesn't get to say "this isn't for the fans." She made herself a product and now people consumer her. She could stop it anytime she wanted, she has enough money to ride of into the sunset.

Also, when she says she wrote it for her, I actually think what she meant is that she wrote it with a desire to be validated for her feelings and her artistry, which is different. That's what every artist wants.

NP. I disagree. I think it’s pretty clear she means she wrote it for her own catharsis.

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Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

Interesting how far back you had to go to come up with a genius. Why would young people today read much or care about poetry? Have you seen how watered down their required HS reading is? Schools don't care to teach classics anymore. What current literary genius should any of them listen to?

I'm the PP and here are 5 modern poets off the top of my head that I think young people today would benefit from reading: Mary Oliver (dead but still so relevant), Maggie Smith, Morgan Parker, Ilya Kaminsky, Ada Limón. This is scratching the surface, get a book on 20th century poetry, there is so much greatness out there.

For musicians, I'd be expansive. All the pop/rock great (including Swift) but also Sondheim, Gershwin, Bernstein. The jazz greats -- Mingus, Davis, Monk, and also the stylists like Holliday, Porter, Fitzgerald. Contemporary singer/songwriters like Courtney Barnett, Kurt Vile, Rufus Wainwright. But also look back a bit. Stevie Nicks, Lucinda Williams, George Clinton, Tom Waits. You could go on and on and on and on.

Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. Taylor Swift is talented. She is not everything, there are so many other people to listen to and read and investigate and internalize. If you seriously cannot name a single contemporary writer or musician who you think is as talented, interesting, and worth reading/listening to as Taylor Swift, you are an idiot and your opinion is to be disregarded.

Nobody is going to listen to their grandparents, great-grandparents music. This is all very old man shaking fist at the clouds.

If you don't realize that some of the people listed above are contemporaries of Taylor Swift, and many others are just one generation behind (and therefore directly informing the culture and art that Taylor is working in), then I beg of you, try reading something OTHER than Taylor Swift liner notes.

I don't even listen to TS but my daughter does. But I also don't listen to shitty jazz music and some of the other questionable choices you listed. To each their own but young people want their own music. There's nothing stopping them from listening to these dusty choices but they don't. Each generation wants their own music. And perhaps modern poetry doesn't speak to them either. For whatever reason, Taylor does. Maybe it's just not for you to understand.

I'm the PP who listed the poets and musicians I think young people today would be interested in. While I think calling Miles Davis "shitty jazz music" kind of shows you to have no taste, I would also point out that I listed Morgan Parker (a 36 year old poet/essayist/novelist who has written at least 5 poems about Beyoncé, among many others) and Courtney Barnett (a 36 year old Australian singer-songwriter who has songs about social media, isolation in the modern age, heartbreak and relationships). I also mentioned Ada Limón and Maggie Smith, both poets in their 40s who are incredibly accessible while also being critically acclaimed -- check out Limón's The Raincoat and Smith's Good Bones for amazing contemporary poems that are clever, evocative, and come with a gut punch. I could also add in Olivia Rodrigo, Lana Del Rey, Boy Genius and its members as individual artists, though I am betting Swift fans are more familiar with those.

I'm not mentioning these people to say "Taylor Swift sucks." I'm mentioning them in response to people who act like Swift is the only contemporary artist worth listening to. I actually think fans of Swift's music would like all of the aforementioned writers and musicians because they have a lot in common (emotionally raw writing that engages with inventive and clever verse). The point is that when people act like NO ONE is doing what Swift is doing right now (false) or that she is the best modern American poet (also false) it simply demonstrates a lack of knowledge.

By the way, I'm only a few years older than Swift and while I listen to tons of contemporary music (including Swift) I also listen to classical music, "shitty jazz", classic rock, all the original singer-songwriters, freaking klezmer music, whatever strikes my fancy. And I know plenty of young people who do the same. The whole point of being young is to be open to anything, not to go all in on one artist who oh-it-just-so-happens is the most commercially successful musician of the decade. Young people listen to Swift and Nirvana and the Beatles and whatever else crosses their path, and they listen with fresh ears and a different outlook and in so doing, they make what is old new again. I feel sorry for people who don't understand this.

Sorry, jazz is awful. But i don’t troll jazz discussions to discuss my opinion. Which is all it is. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one. There is no right or wrong as much as you wish that weren’t true.

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55 pages in and missed where someone said she is the best poet and song writer there is.
Can someone link the post, or at lease note the timestamp?
Thanks