Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

I understand. There are one billion reasons a man would love her.

She really thinks it's charming that she's fkd in the head.

In a way it is. She has a brilliant, poetic (at times manic) mind and apparently also a very romantic (at times melodramatic) heart. To some with more pragmatic, rational minds and less poetry in their hearts, this would all appear “immature”, “stunted”, “fcked in the head”. But I like to live with the highs and lows too, in color, so I can relate to her personality. I definitely am grateful for the wonderful music she has created.
Her line, “if all you want is gray for me, that’s just white noise” resonated so much with me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

But don’t most musicians’ significant others have to deal with this? I mean Bono got together with his wife at age 15 but went on to write love and heartbreak songs for decades after. He is probably taking some artistic liberties and taking inspiration from books, movies, songs, etc as it’s not all drawn from direct experiences of a long-term marriage/coparenting relationship.

Same with the lead singer of Green Day Billy Jo Armstrong, Bruce Springsteen, John Bon Jovi, and many more who are in decades long relationships that started young. They still have themes of heartbreak and longing but doesn’t mean they are in miserable relationships all the time.

Bono cheated on his wife and they almost broke up multiple times.

Jon Bon Jovi admits he’s waded into the “shallow pool” of the rock-star life over the years. He cheated too.

Well, you kind of proved my point. We don’t have threads and threads about these men cheating on their wives or treating them poorly Or wondering how their song lyrics affect their wives and mothers of their children. Yet there’s constant criticism of Taylor and how bad she is at relationships and how much she must be hurting Travis by putting out these albums. Seems like a big double standard. I wonder why.

There is a lot of discussion on other boards. I would guess the listening audience of Swifties doesn’t overlap much with Bono and Bon Jovi.

I mean yes random subreddits I’m sure but come on, you know there’s a lot more criticism of Taylor. There’s a double standard for women. Rockstars are boys will be boys and of course they’re going to cheat… Taylor is destroying these poor men’s lives and can’t settle down and is wasting her eggs. It’s totally different.

The criticism is also there because Taylor sings about wanting to get married and having babies.

These rock star boy types don't sing about pining for marriage and babies. A lot of them are fine with dating 25 year old groupies forever.

They complain about other things like how fame and fortune has ruined things in their life… if Tay Tay wrote that you’d be like boo hoo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

I understand. There are one billion reasons a man would love her.

She really thinks it's charming that she's fkd in the head.

In a way it is. She has a brilliant, poetic (at times manic) mind and apparently also a very romantic (at times melodramatic) heart. To some with more pragmatic, rational minds and less poetry in their hearts, this would all appear “immature”, “stunted”, “fcked in the head”. But I like to live with the highs and lows too, in color, so I can relate to her personality. I definitely am grateful for the wonderful music she has created.
Her line, “if all you want is gray for me, that’s just white noise” resonated so much with me.

+1

[Anonymous]

A lot of artists are melodramatic. Usually though they are angst filled and there is a darkness or heaviness to them and their music. There is a depth to their emotions and pain.

Taylor is glitter and sparkles and kidz bop smiles on stage.

It just doesn’t fit the tortured artist or poet or creative soul that you usually see in musical talent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of artists are melodramatic. Usually though they are angst filled and there is a darkness or heaviness to them and their music. There is a depth to their emotions and pain.

Taylor is glitter and sparkles and kidz bop smiles on stage.

It just doesn’t fit the tortured artist or poet or creative soul that you usually see in musical talent.

This is where I land. I think Taylor is a great pop music writer and performer, but I get annoyed when I see her compared to poets. A 34 year old poet who wrote like this about these subjects would not be taken seriously, because unlike pop music, poetry is consumed by a much older, more complex, more interesting audience. There are poets who write about love gone wrong and dealing with criticism, but in a much more nuanced and interesting way than this.

For this reason I find her choice to compare herself to poets pretentious in a way that is annoying. Does she read any actual poetry? It's not just a clever turn of phrase and some angst. Not if it's any good, anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

I understand. There are one billion reasons a man would love her.

She really thinks it's charming that she's fkd in the head.

In a way it is. She has a brilliant, poetic (at times manic) mind and apparently also a very romantic (at times melodramatic) heart. To some with more pragmatic, rational minds and less poetry in their hearts, this would all appear “immature”, “stunted”, “fcked in the head”. But I like to live with the highs and lows too, in color, so I can relate to her personality. I definitely am grateful for the wonderful music she has created.
Her line, “if all you want is gray for me, that’s just white noise” resonated so much with me.

No...it's not charming. That's why she goes through men

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

I understand. There are one billion reasons a man would love her.

She really thinks it's charming that she's fkd in the head.

In a way it is. She has a brilliant, poetic (at times manic) mind and apparently also a very romantic (at times melodramatic) heart. To some with more pragmatic, rational minds and less poetry in their hearts, this would all appear “immature”, “stunted”, “fcked in the head”. But I like to live with the highs and lows too, in color, so I can relate to her personality. I definitely am grateful for the wonderful music she has created.
Her line, “if all you want is gray for me, that’s just white noise” resonated so much with me.

No...it's not charming. That's why she goes through men

So her worth and charm is wrapped up in beyond permanently attached to a man? Huh?

[Anonymous]

I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

But don’t most musicians’ significant others have to deal with this? I mean Bono got together with his wife at age 15 but went on to write love and heartbreak songs for decades after. He is probably taking some artistic liberties and taking inspiration from books, movies, songs, etc as it’s not all drawn from direct experiences of a long-term marriage/coparenting relationship.

Same with the lead singer of Green Day Billy Jo Armstrong, Bruce Springsteen, John Bon Jovi, and many more who are in decades long relationships that started young. They still have themes of heartbreak and longing but doesn’t mean they are in miserable relationships all the time.

Bono cheated on his wife and they almost broke up multiple times.

Jon Bon Jovi admits he’s waded into the “shallow pool” of the rock-star life over the years. He cheated too.

Well, you kind of proved my point. We don’t have threads and threads about these men cheating on their wives or treating them poorly Or wondering how their song lyrics affect their wives and mothers of their children. Yet there’s constant criticism of Taylor and how bad she is at relationships and how much she must be hurting Travis by putting out these albums. Seems like a big double standard. I wonder why.

There is a lot of discussion on other boards. I would guess the listening audience of Swifties doesn’t overlap much with Bono and Bon Jovi.

I mean yes random subreddits I’m sure but come on, you know there’s a lot more criticism of Taylor. There’s a double standard for women. Rockstars are boys will be boys and of course they’re going to cheat… Taylor is destroying these poor men’s lives and can’t settle down and is wasting her eggs. It’s totally different.

The criticism is also there because Taylor sings about wanting to get married and having babies.

These rock star boy types don't sing about pining for marriage and babies. A lot of them are fine with dating 25 year old groupies forever.

They complain about other things like how fame and fortune has ruined things in their life… if Tay Tay wrote that you’d be like boo hoo.

She does though. Lyrics from "The Lucky One":

And they tell you that you're lucky, but you're so confused
'Cause you don't feel pretty, you just feel used
And all the young things line up to take your place
Another name goes up in lights
You wonder if you'll make it out alive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of artists are melodramatic. Usually though they are angst filled and there is a darkness or heaviness to them and their music. There is a depth to their emotions and pain.

Taylor is glitter and sparkles and kidz bop smiles on stage.

It just doesn’t fit the tortured artist or poet or creative soul that you usually see in musical talent.

If all you know of her is glitter, sparkles, and kidzbop, you likely have only heard 1/3 of her catalogue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do Joe and especially Travis listen to this album and don't get jealous?! I love the chill vibe of TTPD so I have been playing it on repeat since the release, and I think I am developing a crush on Matty Healy just by listening to all these sensual lyrics, lol.
Eyes like remedy, scratch your head you fall asleep like a golden retriever, the way you hold me is holy, my wild boy and this wild joy, my bed sheets are ablaze, messy top kiss how I long for our trysts, I lost my twin, all those nights you kept me going I swirled you into all of my poems, everyone we know understands why it's meant to be, I am his lady and having his baby...she literally has a fantasy wedding to this guy at the end of Daddy I Love Him 😳

I don't see how a man who would be ok with their partner releasing this into the world, esp. when the star-crossed lover is still unmarried and actually the one who pulled out, so technically not completely out of the picture and could choose to come back at any moment.

But don’t most musicians’ significant others have to deal with this? I mean Bono got together with his wife at age 15 but went on to write love and heartbreak songs for decades after. He is probably taking some artistic liberties and taking inspiration from books, movies, songs, etc as it’s not all drawn from direct experiences of a long-term marriage/coparenting relationship.

Same with the lead singer of Green Day Billy Jo Armstrong, Bruce Springsteen, John Bon Jovi, and many more who are in decades long relationships that started young. They still have themes of heartbreak and longing but doesn’t mean they are in miserable relationships all the time.

Bono cheated on his wife and they almost broke up multiple times.

Jon Bon Jovi admits he’s waded into the “shallow pool” of the rock-star life over the years. He cheated too.

Well, you kind of proved my point. We don’t have threads and threads about these men cheating on their wives or treating them poorly Or wondering how their song lyrics affect their wives and mothers of their children. Yet there’s constant criticism of Taylor and how bad she is at relationships and how much she must be hurting Travis by putting out these albums. Seems like a big double standard. I wonder why.

There is a lot of discussion on other boards. I would guess the listening audience of Swifties doesn’t overlap much with Bono and Bon Jovi.

I mean yes random subreddits I’m sure but come on, you know there’s a lot more criticism of Taylor. There’s a double standard for women. Rockstars are boys will be boys and of course they’re going to cheat… Taylor is destroying these poor men’s lives and can’t settle down and is wasting her eggs. It’s totally different.

I don’t think there is a double standard. Taylor can cheat and trash her exes and that just makes her more loved and someone that women think is a great role model for their kids and have made her a billionaire. No one has held her accountable in any way. She gets far more praise and reward than anything else. No one cares at all how she treats men or cheats. They pay gazillions to go and see her sing and bring their teens and kids to hear her songs and cheating and how awful all the men in her life have ever been. So if it’s for. Her her to cheat and trash me. Then no one should have an issue when men cheating and trashing their exes…instead they should take their sons and say he’s a good role model just like women do with taylor. There is no backlash. her albums go to # 1 concerts sell out. There is no poor Taylor the victim, so hard done by. She is getting off scott free for bad behaviour and being rewarded for it just like men.

How do you know this? Who is supposed to be holding her accountable? And for what? She's an artist. Don't like her - don't buy her stuff. But I fail to see who is failing to hold her "accountable" for what exactly. Perhaps she's been held accountable in her personal lives - how would you know? She's not responsible for being girls' role models. She never announced herself as that, or that it was some goal of hers. I personally don't care if she, or any other celebrity, cheats, but if she did, it sounds like she's admitting it and copping to it - isn't that making herself accountable? I just think you have wildly inappropriate expectations of a singer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think most of her fans haven’t really read much poetry or heard many other singers (outside of pop). So to them she is the most talented. So many are convinced her success is driven solely by pure talent and she is the most successful because she is the most talented. That view really just shows a very small world of music and art. Which for children is fine - but adults should be aware that there is a much bigger and talented world out there.

She is also in a phase of everything she touches turns to good right now. I could take any lyrics or song written by anyone…and if her fans thought she wrote it - they would be the most amazing lyrics ever written by the most talented musician ever.

+1, this nails it. She's a great pop musician. She is not Emily Dickinson and Beethoven rolled into one. It's enough that she is a success at what she actually is, we don't have to pretend she's the second coming.

[Anonymous]

I am curious how the Eras tour will look in Europe. We are going to see her this summer and hope to hear some of these new songs live. Obsessed with the new album.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of artists are melodramatic. Usually though they are angst filled and there is a darkness or heaviness to them and their music. There is a depth to their emotions and pain.

Taylor is glitter and sparkles and kidz bop smiles on stage.

It just doesn’t fit the tortured artist or poet or creative soul that you usually see in musical talent.

If all you know of her is glitter, sparkles, and kidzbop, you likely have only heard 1/3 of her catalogue.

I've heard all her music (and like much of it) but I do think there is a shallowness and immaturity to the way she approaches the subjects she writes about. I wouldn't call it "glitter and sparkles," but I think she cares more about affecting certain attitudes, and being seen a certain way, than in writing truly exposing, revelatory lyrics. She skirts the edges of things. Sometimes she does it in a clever way, but to compare her to the best modern American poets is ludicrous. She writes pop music, not poetry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am curious how the Eras tour will look in Europe. We are going to see her this summer and hope to hear some of these new songs live. Obsessed with the new album.

Wouldn’t it be fitting if she and Matty got back together and she brought him on stage to sing Post Malone’s part in Fortnight at her August Wembley show in London at the end of the European leg of her tour?

Here is to hoping! I love me some epic love story with an ending that no one could have predicted (but a mastermind).