Bowe Bergdahl

Anonymous
The man ran away like a coward, into the hands of the enemy. Troops were sent out to find him and some lost their lives in this attempt. He is NOT a hero in any way, shape or form and in fact is facing possible charges for his decision to go AWOL. Not at all deserving of this exchange of prisoners, IMO
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:And maybe he will go to jail for deserting. But that's a separate issue. The first issue was that he was an American citizen who was being held captive by terrorists, and whose life was in immediate risk.

Because of a decision that HE made. Once again, personal accountability doesn't mean a damn thing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And maybe he will go to jail for deserting. But that's a separate issue. The first issue was that he was an American citizen who was being held captive by terrorists, and whose life was in immediate risk.

Because of a decision that HE made. Once again, personal accountability doesn't mean a damn thing.


Meanwhile, Marine Sgt. Tahmooressi is in a prison in Mexico because of a very stupid decision that HE made - yet the right wing is screaming for his release.
Anonymous
So you equate taking a wrong turn to being a deserter?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I thought we didn't negotiate with terrorists. I guess now we do--5:1. Wow, great job with negotiations...


Puhleeze. We have always negotiated with our enemies. We exchanged POWs during WWiI and Vietnam. Ronald Reagan negotiated with Iran to release the embassy hostages. We sold weapons to Iran via the Iran-Contra scandal. I am sure you remember that little bit of history.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And maybe he will go to jail for deserting. But that's a separate issue. The first issue was that he was an American citizen who was being held captive by terrorists, and whose life was in immediate risk.

Because of a decision that HE made. Once again, personal accountability doesn't mean a damn thing.


Meanwhile, Marine Sgt. Tahmooressi is in a prison in Mexico because of a very stupid decision that HE made - yet the right wing is screaming for his release.


There isn’t even a comparison here. You clearly do not know the details about the Tahmooressi story.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought we didn't negotiate with terrorists. I guess now we do--5:1. Wow, great job with negotiations...


Puhleeze. We have always negotiated with our enemies. We exchanged POWs during WWiI and Vietnam. Ronald Reagan negotiated with Iran to release the embassy hostages. We sold weapons to Iran via the Iran-Contra scandal. I am sure you remember that little bit of history.


Do you know of a time when we exchanged 5 killers of Americans and innocent Afghanis for 1 American? And, the 5 we exchanged were identified by the Taliban as the ones they wanted. So, who is really calling the shots here?
Anonymous
I just want to say that I, for one, question whether this soldiers’ health had deteriorated as this administration claims, or if they just didn’t want to go through Congress because they wanted to broker this deal knowing that there would certainly be objections to the terms of the deal.
jsteele
Site Admin Online
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought we didn't negotiate with terrorists. I guess now we do--5:1. Wow, great job with negotiations...


Puhleeze. We have always negotiated with our enemies. We exchanged POWs during WWiI and Vietnam. Ronald Reagan negotiated with Iran to release the embassy hostages. We sold weapons to Iran via the Iran-Contra scandal. I am sure you remember that little bit of history.


Do you know of a time when we exchanged 5 killers of Americans and innocent Afghanis for 1 American? And, the 5 we exchanged were identified by the Taliban as the ones they wanted. So, who is really calling the shots here?


Can you tell me what Americans these individuals killed? As far as I can tell, they were captured before they had a chance to kill anyone.
Anonymous
Anonymous



The man ran away like a coward, into the hands of the enemy. Troops were sent out to find him and some lost their lives in this attempt. He is NOT a hero in any way, shape or form and in fact is facing possible charges for his decision to go AWOL. Not at all deserving of this exchange of prisoners, IMO

So you are saying the officers who issued the orders to go out and get the guy are incompetant or criminal? Last time I was in, a sergeant being held captive did not issue orders.
Anonymous

So you are saying the officers who issued the orders to go out and get the guy are incompetant or criminal? Last time I was in, a sergeant being held captive did not issue orders.






Could you clarify? I don't understand your statement. And, by the way, Bergdahl was not a sergeant when he walked off.
Anonymous
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought we didn't negotiate with terrorists. I guess now we do--5:1. Wow, great job with negotiations...


Puhleeze. We have always negotiated with our enemies. We exchanged POWs during WWiI and Vietnam. Ronald Reagan negotiated with Iran to release the embassy hostages. We sold weapons to Iran via the Iran-Contra scandal. I am sure you remember that little bit of history.


Do you know of a time when we exchanged 5 killers of Americans and innocent Afghanis for 1 American? And, the 5 we exchanged were identified by the Taliban as the ones they wanted. So, who is really calling the shots here?


Can you tell me what Americans these individuals killed? As far as I can tell, they were captured before they had a chance to kill anyone.


These four are implicated directly or indirectly with the deaths of Americans. Not to mention, other innocent people. Pertinent parts are bolded. Copied from WaPo and Fox. Yep, these terrorists are really stand up guys. Just the kind we want wandering the streets.
Mullah Mohammad Fazl
Also 47, Fazi was a senior commander in the Taliban army during the 1990s, eventually becoming its chief of staff. He is thought to have personally supervised the killing of thousands of Shiite Muslims near Kabul between 1998 and 2001. His Guantanamo case file also describes him as being present at a 2001 prison riot that led to the death of CIA operative Johnny Michael Spann, the first U.S. citizen killed in the Afghan war. "If released, detainee would likely rejoin the Taliban and establish ties with ACM elements participating in hostilities against US and Coalition forces in Afghanistan," his case file reads.

Mullah Norullah Noori
Noori, 47, was a provincial governor in several areas during the Taliban regime. He is also believed to have been present during Spann's death and may have also been involved in the Shiite massacre. His Guantanamo case file says that he "continues to be a significant figure encouraging acts of aggression.”

Abdul Haq Wasiq
Thought to be in his early 40s, Wasiq served as the Taliban deputy minister of intelligence and “had direct access to Taliban and Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin leadership,” according to an internal memo that assessed risk at Guantanamo. He reportedly used his office to support Al Qaeda “and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture.” He also reportedly arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff. Wasiq belongs to the Khogyani Tribe and began his religious training under his father, Muhammad Saleem, who died in 1981.Three years later, he went to study Islam at Warah, a school located on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border near the Khyber Pass. When the Taliban assumed control in Afghanistan, a number of Islamic students, including Wasiq, went to Kabul. Wasiq has been accused by Human Rights Watch of mass killings and torture. According to a report by the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, Wasiq “arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods.”Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa

Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa
Khairkhwa is the former governor of the Herat province and has close ties with Usama bin Laden and Mullah Omar. According to the Joint Task Force Guantanamo file, Khairkhwa “represented the Taliban during meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against US and coalition forces.” Khairkhwa and his deputies are suspected of being associated with an extremist military training camp run by the Al Qaeda commander Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who was killed in 2006. U.S. authorities have also accused Khairkhwa of becoming a powerful opium trafficker.





Anonymous
Usually the Right is all about American Exceptionalism so I don't know why they don't understand that 1 American could be worth as much or more as 5 Taliban.
jsteele
Site Admin Online
Anonymous wrote:
These four are implicated directly or indirectly with the deaths of Americans.


Actually, I'm not seeing that from the information you posted. A couple of them were being held prisoner in a prison when a riot broke out. It doesn't say that they had anything to do with either the riot or the death of the American. If I remember correctly, John Walker Lindh was also held prisoner at the same place. Is everyone who was there responsible for the death? In fact, all of the "evidence" you present is pretty circumstantial.

You said these guys were killers of Americans. Not that they happened to be in the general vicinity of an American being killed.
Anonymous
The Taliban was the controlling government in Afghanistan when the US went in and removed it. Because they were the government, these guys are not "terrorists". They were part of the armed forces and government we fought in Afghanistan. One of the five we exhanged was a governor under Taliban rule. As such, they are POWs. POWs are exchanged for other POWs. Now Al Qaeda is a stateless terrorist organization, a different animal all together. The Taliban let Al Qaeada operate in their country. Terrorist and POWs are not the same. Just as US civilians being held captive vs US POWs are different(we do not exchange POWs for civilians).
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