New director awful. How are orgs so bad at picking competent leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

Or the director can simply not attend every single meeting that goes on in an office and upend everyone's schedule at the last minute to accommodate her.

Trusting your staff and their managers to do their job, what a crazy idea.

NP- it's not that she doesn't trust you all to do your jobs, she's trying to see what you all do in your meetings, how they're ran. I'm not a senior manager but I love to sit in on other people's staff meetings occasionally.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

where did op say they have a work schedule? i think that's the missing piece. if the regular schedule is 7-3 and a meeting is scheduled for 4 then that's a consideration. but I dont see that mentioned in the post.

a senior leader wanting to move a meeting to accommodate their schedule is pretty standard. They are busier than you.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

Or the director can simply not attend every single meeting that goes on in an office and upend everyone's schedule at the last minute to accommodate her.

Trusting your staff and their managers to do their job, what a crazy idea.

NP- it's not that she doesn't trust you all to do your jobs, she's trying to see what you all do in your meetings, how they're ran. I'm not a senior manager but I love to sit in on other people's staff meetings occasionally.

Then the director can lean on alllllllllll of the middle management between her and the bottom employees. If the lowest of the low employees all aren't doing something right, then it means all of management above them is doing it wrong or needs training. Everything always flows from the top down, not the bottom up. Micromanaging front line employee work for major companies as a senior leader is absolutely bonkers. You lean on all of the managers to improve their work or work output. Not upend lowest level employee schedules at the last minute so that you can micromanage their work as the most senior person in the entire office/org.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

where did op say they have a work schedule? i think that's the missing piece. if the regular schedule is 7-3 and a meeting is scheduled for 4 then that's a consideration. but I dont see that mentioned in the post.

a senior leader wanting to move a meeting to accommodate their schedule is pretty standard. They are busier than you.

We've talked about the required core hours multiple times in this thread. You can't tell everyone they have flexible schedules and that core hours are from 9-3 PM. People will take that as permission to come in at say 6:30 AM and leave by 4PM if they need to do things like pick up their kids. You can't change company policies as hoc. If you need to schedule a meeting at 4 PM, you do it in advance so people can plan, not at the last minute the night before. It can be virtually impossible these days to find last minute childcare or transportation home for children withess than 24 hours notice.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

where did op say they have a work schedule? i think that's the missing piece. if the regular schedule is 7-3 and a meeting is scheduled for 4 then that's a consideration. but I dont see that mentioned in the post.

a senior leader wanting to move a meeting to accommodate their schedule is pretty standard. They are busier than you.

We've talked about the required core hours multiple times in this thread. You can't tell everyone they have flexible schedules and that core hours are from 9-3 PM. People will take that as permission to come in at say 6:30 AM and leave by 4PM if they need to do things like pick up their kids. You can't change company policies as hoc. If you need to schedule a meeting at 4 PM, you do it in advance so people can plan, not at the last minute the night before. It can be virtually impossible these days to find last minute childcare or transportation home for children withess than 24 hours notice.

Op if your issue is meetings outside of ‘core hours’ then just talk to your supervisor about whether those need to be flexed. Your set up is unusual and most of us would not expect to have left work by 4pm so you aren’t going to get much sympathy other than the posts that you are clearly writing yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

where did op say they have a work schedule? i think that's the missing piece. if the regular schedule is 7-3 and a meeting is scheduled for 4 then that's a consideration. but I dont see that mentioned in the post.

a senior leader wanting to move a meeting to accommodate their schedule is pretty standard. They are busier than you.

We've talked about the required core hours multiple times in this thread. You can't tell everyone they have flexible schedules and that core hours are from 9-3 PM. People will take that as permission to come in at say 6:30 AM and leave by 4PM if they need to do things like pick up their kids. You can't change company policies as hoc. If you need to schedule a meeting at 4 PM, you do it in advance so people can plan, not at the last minute the night before. It can be virtually impossible these days to find last minute childcare or transportation home for children withess than 24 hours notice.

Op if your issue is meetings outside of ‘core hours’ then just talk to your supervisor about whether those need to be flexed. Your set up is unusual and most of us would not expect to have left work by 4pm so you aren’t going to get much sympathy other than the posts that you are clearly writing yourself.

Core hours where you schedule meetings are not usual at all. And OP has not indicated that they are the one who can't make 4 PM meetings. But when you have leadership that does these kinds of things, it hurts morale for everyone and it's sometimes a way of getting people to quit to reduce the workforce (like with RTO).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

I love that someone thinks it’s ’licking Boots’ to be at work at 4 😂

It's not about the specific time, it's about having a work schedule and expecting to be able to stick to it. "The director wants to attend your meeting just because" is not an emergency you should make people scramble to accommodate last-minute.

where did op say they have a work schedule? i think that's the missing piece. if the regular schedule is 7-3 and a meeting is scheduled for 4 then that's a consideration. but I dont see that mentioned in the post.

a senior leader wanting to move a meeting to accommodate their schedule is pretty standard. They are busier than you.

We've talked about the required core hours multiple times in this thread. You can't tell everyone they have flexible schedules and that core hours are from 9-3 PM. People will take that as permission to come in at say 6:30 AM and leave by 4PM if they need to do things like pick up their kids. You can't change company policies as hoc. If you need to schedule a meeting at 4 PM, you do it in advance so people can plan, not at the last minute the night before. It can be virtually impossible these days to find last minute childcare or transportation home for children withess than 24 hours notice.

Who is the “we”? Are you OP and then trying to post as other people? OP is an “I” and hasn’t identified themself as having core hours.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

Or the director can simply not attend every single meeting that goes on in an office and upend everyone's schedule at the last minute to accommodate her.

Trusting your staff and their managers to do their job, what a crazy idea.

NP- it's not that she doesn't trust you all to do your jobs, she's trying to see what you all do in your meetings, how they're ran. I'm not a senior manager but I love to sit in on other people's staff meetings occasionally.

Then the director can lean on alllllllllll of the middle management between her and the bottom employees. If the lowest of the low employees all aren't doing something right, then it means all of management above them is doing it wrong or needs training. Everything always flows from the top down, not the bottom up. Micromanaging front line employee work for major companies as a senior leader is absolutely bonkers. You lean on all of the managers to improve their work or work output. Not upend lowest level employee schedules at the last minute so that you can micromanage their work as the most senior person in the entire office/org.

This is why you are a peon OP.

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Anonymous wrote:New director over about 800 people is just truly awful. Her style of management is extraordinarily micromanagy. For example, she wants to attend virtually every meeting that goes on in the office. Monday last week they send out an email at 9:50 PM stating that they needed to reschedule a morning meeting the next day for 4 PM because the director's schedule has changed. It angered a lot of people having to stay that late in the day because many of them have kids to pick up from school, etc. Having a last minute notice while not being able to plan anything was so annoying for many people. And it wasn't like it was some important meeting either, it was just a routine team meeting about 5 levels below the director level, so why is she even caring about this kind of minutiae as a director? Worst of all, the director herself was late to the meeting and didn't even call in until 4:15 PM because she was driving home!

Last Friday was also really bad. Because she is so micromanagy, she attempts to edit ALL, yes I mean ALL, of the work coming out from 800 people. We had a document due Friday last week and the team was done by the early afternoon. Yet the document simply couldn't go out until it got the 'director's approval'. What did she do? She held the entire team hostage until 6:30 PM with her edits to the document because there was zero communication for when she'd have her edits in. Everyone basically had to wait around for forever until she was done. Insane. Before she arrived documents would go out all the time without director review and everything was fine for years. There's just simply no way the director can review that volume of work while doing a good job (literally hundreds of documents per week). Yet she tries to have her hand in them all. Worst part is that there is so much information the teams review and go over that it is inhumanly possible for her to read the information the documents are being crafted about. So all she does is provide her edits and comments for documents regarding information she hasn't even read and barely understands, because she had no time to go over it in detail.

How do orgs hire people this bad without screening at this level for leadership ability. She's pissing off so many people and they're all leaving.

What on earth are these 100s of documents a week even about?

What kind of job is this? Clearly not journalism as that does get at editor review.

Can AI or ChatGPT write these 100s of documents a week? Or is that already happening during 10am to 2pm core office hours?

Lol*3

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why the same person keeps replying with a weird amount of anger about the existence of working-class and middle-class people who work certain hours, pick up their kids, and are not paid enough to afford additional childcare. Yes, some jobs have longer hours. Some jobs don't. The ones that do, all other things being equal, pay more for it. And if you want to transition your workforce to longer hours, you don't do it the day before by scheduling a meeting.

AI route it is.

Headcount will be right sized to 150 FTEs in no time. For those 1000s of written reports no one reads.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of job has 800 people working on documents, is

Excellent question.

Most probably make a PDF for the crazy boomer boss

Gotta change a few numbers around from yesterday’s report and Presto! Time to go come and call it a day.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

News flash troll: it’s not a carpool if yours doing it every single day and time.

Socialize that stuff. Or are the other parents paying you to pick up and drop off their kids and your nanny job is a side gig so you can’t do 3 or 4pm meets?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you have valid points about the micromanaging. You lost the rest of us at the outrage over a meeting time change to 4PM. This is normal and happens all the time. I'm a millennial and I have kids. I'm salaried -- while I would love to punch in my 40 hours and bounce, I work until the job is done. Sometimes late meetings are involved.

Wow, so we should pat you on the back because you're a corporate bootlicker with zero boundaries?

You're so, soooo impressive.

It's not about licking boots. If I bounce at 4 everyday to drive the soccer team carpool, who pray tell will be picking up the slack? Hint -- it's not the boss, it's my colleagues. They're the ones who pay the price for people who can't for 1 day take a late meeting, or finish up a report, or whatever it happens to be. The work still has to get done, and it is often younger or childless people who will pick up the slack and then resent the hell out of precious snowflake parents.

Or the director can simply not attend every single meeting that goes on in an office and upend everyone's schedule at the last minute to accommodate her.

Trusting your staff and their managers to do their job, what a crazy idea.

New senior leadership has every right in the world to sit in on any or all of the meetings of the 800 subordinates.
She’s probably reading your previous performance reviews as well.
And monitoring hours and productivity.

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of a time an assistant professor at my university got really indignant over the scheduling of a 9AM meeting (to interview a new department chair) that she had a week to plan around.

"I have kids! What am I supposed to do!?"

The rest of us seem to be able to figure it out without making a production.

Yikes. So unprofessional