Thanks to the bike party organizers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

Here's the law. Given this, and the sheer number of cars and other people on the road, Idaho Stops should be relatively rare.

Code of the District of Columbia
§ 50–2201.04d. Riders' safe crossing at intersections.

(a) A rider approaching a stop sign may go straight through the intersection or make a turn without stopping; provided, that the rider:

(1) Is travelling at an appropriate speed to reasonably assess and avoid hazards;

(2) Determines there is no immediate hazard; and

(3) Yields the right-of-way to pedestrians and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

I drive and I've lost count how many bicyclists' lives I've saved by slamming on the breaks to avoid hitting bicyclists flying through intersections where they definitely did not have the right of way.

I drive and this has never happened to me. We can exchange anecdotes all day or just look at the objective evidence which shows that drivers break road rules more frequently and more flagrantly than cyclists.

There's no objective evidence that says that. MPD hasn't enforced traffic laws in years and has never enforced them against bicyclists.

Instead of spening money on any of this crap we should just restart traffic enforcement against everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Unlike people who drive cars and don't come to full stops, right?

Not really getting the comparison. Maybe once a year, I see a driver blow a stop sign without even attempting to stop. I see cyclists do that literally every day.

Once a year? I see cars do this once an hour when I look out my front window at the four-way stop by my house when working from home. Slowing down to make the turn without spinning out of control isn't actually the same thing as stopping, though...

I'll take dumb hyperbole for $100.

The police tell us that there's fewer than 10 traffic deaths in DC per year caused by speeding drivers. There's typically a half million cars in DC on any given day, so that would suggest that nearly all drivers are actually driving pretty safely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let’s bubble wrap the universe for the entitled toddlers who want to drive their big wheels in traffic.

Or, we could provide infrastructure so kids can ride bikes safely again and help deal with the youth obesity problems.

Quick! Give WABA another multi-million dollar DC government contract to teach kids how to ride a bike (and subsidize WABA's lobbying at the same time).

Unless you have proof of the bolded phrase, it would be illegal, and the public filings for WABA dispel this lie, so please stop repeating it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Unlike people who drive cars and don't come to full stops, right?

Not really getting the comparison. Maybe once a year, I see a driver blow a stop sign without even attempting to stop. I see cyclists do that literally every day.

Once a year? I see cars do this once an hour when I look out my front window at the four-way stop by my house when working from home. Slowing down to make the turn without spinning out of control isn't actually the same thing as stopping, though...

I'll take dumb hyperbole for $100.

The police tell us that there's fewer than 10 traffic deaths in DC per year caused by speeding drivers. There's typically a half million cars in DC on any given day, so that would suggest that nearly all drivers are actually driving pretty safely.

because pedestrians sit waiting at intersections until there aren't any cars, to cross

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Unlike people who drive cars and don't come to full stops, right?

Not really getting the comparison. Maybe once a year, I see a driver blow a stop sign without even attempting to stop. I see cyclists do that literally every day.

Once a year? I see cars do this once an hour when I look out my front window at the four-way stop by my house when working from home. Slowing down to make the turn without spinning out of control isn't actually the same thing as stopping, though...

I'll take dumb hyperbole for $100.

The police tell us that there's fewer than 10 traffic deaths in DC per year caused by speeding drivers. There's typically a half million cars in DC on any given day, so that would suggest that nearly all drivers are actually driving pretty safely.

And how many are caused by speeding bikers? And how many injuries and ER visits are caused by speeding drivers compared to speeding bikers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Unlike people who drive cars and don't come to full stops, right?

Not really getting the comparison. Maybe once a year, I see a driver blow a stop sign without even attempting to stop. I see cyclists do that literally every day.

I take walks through my ward 3 neighborhood every day. I can count on one hand the number of cars that come to a complete stop at stop signs over the course of a week. I see hundreds of cars. One hand.

a few years back, some guy posted a video of every car coming to the stop sign at the intersection of Porter and Williamsburg Lane in Cleveland Park over 15 or 20 minutes in the middle of the day. Only two or three cars actually stopped while most of the rest did what can best be described as a California roll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Unlike people who drive cars and don't come to full stops, right?

Not really getting the comparison. Maybe once a year, I see a driver blow a stop sign without even attempting to stop. I see cyclists do that literally every day.

I take walks through my ward 3 neighborhood every day. I can count on one hand the number of cars that come to a complete stop at stop signs over the course of a week. I see hundreds of cars. One hand.

a few years back, some guy posted a video of every car coming to the stop sign at the intersection of Porter and Williamsburg Lane in Cleveland Park over 15 or 20 minutes in the middle of the day. Only two or three cars actually stopped while most of the rest did what can best be described as a California roll.

It has only gotten worse, despite the claims of the pro-driving crew here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

Here's the law. Given this, and the sheer number of cars and other people on the road, Idaho Stops should be relatively rare.

Code of the District of Columbia
§ 50–2201.04d. Riders' safe crossing at intersections.

(a) A rider approaching a stop sign may go straight through the intersection or make a turn without stopping; provided, that the rider:

(1) Is travelling at an appropriate speed to reasonably assess and avoid hazards;

(2) Determines there is no immediate hazard; and

(3) Yields the right-of-way to pedestrians and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection.

Bicyclists either don’t understand how Idaho stops work or they dont care

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Unlike people who drive cars and don't come to full stops, right?

Not really getting the comparison. Maybe once a year, I see a driver blow a stop sign without even attempting to stop. I see cyclists do that literally every day.

Once a year? I see cars do this once an hour when I look out my front window at the four-way stop by my house when working from home. Slowing down to make the turn without spinning out of control isn't actually the same thing as stopping, though...

I'll take dumb hyperbole for $100.

The police tell us that there's fewer than 10 traffic deaths in DC per year caused by speeding drivers. There's typically a half million cars in DC on any given day, so that would suggest that nearly all drivers are actually driving pretty safely.

Most of the time I see drivers blow through the stop sign, it's true, there's no one else at the intersection — so the chances of a traffic death happening are miniscule. And I don't know how many of them are speeding, which is actually the stat you're mentioning (not running a stop sign), because I don't have a radar gun.

Maybe you think cars should also be able to do the Idaho stop at stop signs? That's fine, I guess, as long as they can do it safely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

Here's the law. Given this, and the sheer number of cars and other people on the road, Idaho Stops should be relatively rare.

Code of the District of Columbia
§ 50–2201.04d. Riders' safe crossing at intersections.

(a) A rider approaching a stop sign may go straight through the intersection or make a turn without stopping; provided, that the rider:

(1) Is travelling at an appropriate speed to reasonably assess and avoid hazards;

(2) Determines there is no immediate hazard; and

(3) Yields the right-of-way to pedestrians and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection.

They're not that rare in residential neighborhoods outside of rush hour. I can usually get about a mile from my house before I approach an intersection with a stop sign at the same time as a pedestrian or another vehicle on my bike. (Traffic lights obviously are different.) By definition, the only people who really would know if most Idaho stops are being performed correctly are the cyclists doing the stopping; if there was someone else at the intersection, it wouldn't be legal. So the fact that we don't see people doing them right doesn't really prove that no one does.

FWIW, I always stop at stop signs on my bike if there are others at the intersection, though a lot of drivers seem to expect me not to and try to waive me to go. That may be an indication of typical cyclist behavior, or maybe they think they need to yield to bikes, or maybe they're trying to be helpful (though once I stop, I may as well wait for every car at an intersection to go, even if I have right of way).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

The facts of the Idaho Stop law are that cyclists are permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs and pedal through intersections controlled by stop signs without stopping - IF - there are no other vehicles, cyclists or pedestrians in the intersection at the time.

That’s the facts.



The reality is no cyclist anywhere, ever, stops for a stop sign, regardless of circumstances. I know this because I’m also a cyclist on occasion. But I have such disdain for most other cyclists that I sometimes panic-stop at stop signs when someone is following me closely, just to see if I can make them crash into me. A few have. Mostly get mad, ask me why I slammed on my brakes?… I tell them “there was a car at the other side of the intersection so you can’t do an Idaho Stop”.

Mostly they’re all indignant. It hilarious.

Yes, I bet this happens all the time exactly as you describe it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Or.. you know, do what I do now which is cruise toward a red light while watching the walk counter count down and then start pedaling when the one on my side is about to tick off so I can go with the leading pedestrian signal. Pisses off some of the motorists though, because that stops them from speeding to the red light just to stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Here you are again using terms you refuse to understand. Read the law around the Idaho Stop in DC and come back with some actual information, rather than prejudiced nonsense.

The facts of the Idaho Stop law are that cyclists are permitted to treat stop signs as yield signs and pedal through intersections controlled by stop signs without stopping - IF - there are no other vehicles, cyclists or pedestrians in the intersection at the time.

That’s the facts.



The reality is no cyclist anywhere, ever, stops for a stop sign, regardless of circumstances. I know this because I’m also a cyclist on occasion. But I have such disdain for most other cyclists that I sometimes panic-stop at stop signs when someone is following me closely, just to see if I can make them crash into me. A few have. Mostly get mad, ask me why I slammed on my brakes?… I tell them “there was a car at the other side of the intersection so you can’t do an Idaho Stop”.

Mostly they’re all indignant. It hilarious.

Are you that fellow from Sedgwick Gardens who "rides 400 miles a month"? The one who, if taken at face value, it walking proof that you can't outride a bad diet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:saw a woman on a bike this evening with two kids abroad approach a four way stop intersection.

there were already two other cars at the intersection, each stopped at their respective stop signs and waiting to go through, before she had even reached the intersection.

and yet she just barreled on through the intersection at full speed, expecting everyone else to just wait on her. one car had to slam on its breaks.

feel bad for her kids. she is going to get them (and herself) killed.

bicyclists have no idea how idaho stops work, do they? or do they just not care?

If bicyclists were required to actually follow the rules of Idaho stops, no one would bike. They'd have to stop and start at the end of virtually every block and they'd get so tired out, they'd just stop riding.

Or.. you know, do what I do now which is cruise toward a red light while watching the walk counter count down and then start pedaling when the one on my side is about to tick off so I can go with the leading pedestrian signal. Pisses off some of the motorists though, because that stops them from speeding to the red light just to stop.

Why would you want to piss anyone off, let alone boast about being an ahole. Putting aside the safety implications, it's just very sad.