explain the NC law to me - why are we so obsessed with bathrooms?

[Anonymous]

Ok, so I've not read much about this (intentionally). But the NC law that requires people to use the bathroom that corresponds with the gender on their birth certificate - WTF?

How is it supposed to work? I cannot figure how they could write a law that was enforceable. Americans are not required to carry birth certificates. So......a person who looks female goes into a female bathroom. And....what? What happens next? Someone (a police officer?) asks them if they really are a female? Another patron suspects they are a male and calls (911? the police?) and then what , exactly, is supposed to happen? What if a person has had gender reassignment surgery? How would a police officer know they were transgender?

I mean WTF. How the F is this even an issue?

When did bathrooms become the hill for religious conservatives to die on (I guess after wedding cake bakers?)? Is this a "think of the children!" last-ditch effort for discrimination (i.e., it's a false argument designed to scare people but isn't in any way anything real).

I just DO.NOT.GET.IT.

Nonsense.

[Anonymous]

What is nonsensical is that we have gotten to a place where this law is needed to protect the general good and welfare of the public, in the first place. When we have to have laws stating, essentially, that persons born with a penis are males, and persons born with a vagina are females, and they are to use separate (but of course equal) facilities, it shows that the public mindset has truly gone mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is nonsensical is that we have gotten to a place where this law is needed to protect the general good and welfare of the public, in the first place. When we have to have laws stating, essentially, that persons born with a penis are males, and persons born with a vagina are females, and they are to use separate (but of course equal) facilities, it shows that the public mindset has truly gone mad.

No, this law is not needed. That's the OP's point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is nonsensical is that we have gotten to a place where this law is needed to protect the general good and welfare of the public, in the first place. When we have to have laws stating, essentially, that persons born with a penis are males, and persons born with a vagina are females, and they are to use separate (but of course equal) facilities, it shows that the public mindset has truly gone mad.

No, this law is not needed. That's the OP's point.

OP here - I think i Wasn't clear, and conflated two things - whether the law is needed and how such a law might be implemented. Let's leave aside whether the law is needed. How can you possibly implement it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is nonsensical is that we have gotten to a place where this law is needed to protect the general good and welfare of the public, in the first place. When we have to have laws stating, essentially, that persons born with a penis are males, and persons born with a vagina are females, and they are to use separate (but of course equal) facilities, it shows that the public mindset has truly gone mad.

WORSE -- facilities are not equal. The ones for males are often dirty, smelly, and smaller.

Class action, someone?

[Anonymous]

Yeah, what happens when a trans woman (with male genitalia) enters a mens' bathroom dressed as woman? How will police ensure compliance? Are all people at the risk of an on-the-spot strip search?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what happens when a trans woman (with male genitalia) enters a mens' bathroom dressed as woman? How will police ensure compliance? Are all people at the risk of an on-the-spot strip search?

Homeland Security will develop an app to scan, analyze and classify genitalia.

There's also ways know if they were born locally or stay here illegally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what happens when a trans woman (with male genitalia) enters a mens' bathroom dressed as woman? How will police ensure compliance? Are all people at the risk of an on-the-spot strip search?

Homeland Security will develop an app to scan, analyze and classify genitalia.

There's also ways know if they were born locally or stay here illegally.

And this is a win for small government?

I also don't get it, OP. Neither the enforcement nor why it is needed. Someone who looks like a woman (but has male genitalia) goes into a women's bathroom. If they're there to pee, they go into a stall and no one is the wiser. If they are there to harass or assault women, they'd do that regardless of whether they were dressed as a woman. Ditto the men's room. And a trans man is far likely to be threatened in the men's room rather than be a threat. I really don't understand why this is taking up so much time and attention. I am a woman and I do not care if a trans woman wants to use the women's bathroom. If h/she feels like a woman and wants to pee in a stall where I don't see her anyway, why do I care?

[Anonymous]

Some of you are so naïve, I'm not sure how you make it through the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so naïve, I'm not sure how you make it through the day.

Got a news story of some trans person using the ladies room to assault someone? Because I assume that's your concern. I'd like some proof on how widespread this issue is.

I've used men's rooms in clubs before when the women's line was freaky long. I "naively" don't see the issue here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what happens when a trans woman (with male genitalia) enters a mens' bathroom dressed as woman? How will police ensure compliance? Are all people at the risk of an on-the-spot strip search?

Homeland Security will develop an app to scan, analyze and classify genitalia.

There's also ways know if they were born locally or stay here illegally.

And this is a win for small government?

I also don't get it, OP. Neither the enforcement nor why it is needed. Someone who looks like a woman (but has male genitalia) goes into a women's bathroom. If they're there to pee, they go into a stall and no one is the wiser. If they are there to harass or assault women, they'd do that regardless of whether they were dressed as a woman. Ditto the men's room. And a trans man is far likely to be threatened in the men's room rather than be a threat. I really don't understand why this is taking up so much time and attention. I am a woman and I do not care if a trans woman wants to use the women's bathroom. If h/she feels like a woman and wants to pee in a stall where I don't see her anyway, why do I care?

You're right, I don't understand it either. Know why? Because it's not about bathrooms at all - it's about pushing an agenda, based on what do-gooders believe is 'non-hate', when in reality, it's causing more attention and more problems as a result. The solution is simply to continue to put third bathrooms in, non-gender family bathrooms so to speak. This solves a lot of additional problems, such as when my 5 year old son insisted on going into the men's room at Jersey Turnpike rest stops and I could not go in with him. This completely eliminates the awkwardness and safety issues for trans-gender individuals as well.

Now - wait for the outrage at my statements from people here and you'll see what I mean about forcing an agenda over safety for all parties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so naïve, I'm not sure how you make it through the day.

How do YOU make it through the day, with so much reactionary anxiety over how other people live their lives? How do YOU make it through the day with an obvious handicap in your ability to appropriately assess risk?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so naïve, I'm not sure how you make it through the day.

Yes I was thinking the same thing. They think this is abot bathrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what happens when a trans woman (with male genitalia) enters a mens' bathroom dressed as woman? How will police ensure compliance? Are all people at the risk of an on-the-spot strip search?

Homeland Security will develop an app to scan, analyze and classify genitalia.

There's also ways know if they were born locally or stay here illegally.

And this is a win for small government?

I also don't get it, OP. Neither the enforcement nor why it is needed. Someone who looks like a woman (but has male genitalia) goes into a women's bathroom. If they're there to pee, they go into a stall and no one is the wiser. If they are there to harass or assault women, they'd do that regardless of whether they were dressed as a woman. Ditto the men's room. And a trans man is far likely to be threatened in the men's room rather than be a threat. I really don't understand why this is taking up so much time and attention. I am a woman and I do not care if a trans woman wants to use the women's bathroom. If h/she feels like a woman and wants to pee in a stall where I don't see her anyway, why do I care?

You're right, I don't understand it either. Know why? Because it's not about bathrooms at all - it's about pushing an agenda, based on what do-gooders believe is 'non-hate', when in reality, it's causing more attention and more problems as a result. The solution is simply to continue to put third bathrooms in, non-gender family bathrooms so to speak. This solves a lot of additional problems, such as when my 5 year old son insisted on going into the men's room at Jersey Turnpike rest stops and I could not go in with him. This completely eliminates the awkwardness and safety issues for trans-gender individuals as well.

Now - wait for the outrage at my statements from people here and you'll see what I mean about forcing an agenda over safety for all parties.

He's a five year old. Who is in charge here? In public my 6 year old
son goes with me, his mother, to use the restroom. Be a parent, be in charge, take responsibility. We don't need laws for that. YOU just need common sense and better ways to spend your mental energy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so naïve, I'm not sure how you make it through the day.

Yes I was thinking the same thing. They think this is abot bathrooms.

No we don't. We think it is about small minded reactionary bigots trying to find any way to legally register their disgust for LGBTQ citizens in a post marriage equality America. And we are not wrong.