Which Scores Seem Better?

[Anonymous]

I have twins who I am referring.

Child 1: NNAT 129
COGAT (Composite=124, V=112, Q=134, NV=112)

Child 2: NNAT 123
COGAT (Composite=124, V=128, Q=112, NV=123)

First of all, I don't think either kid will make it in but they both have strengths in particular areas that makes me think they would do well in AAP (we already have one child in older grade who went through) so I am going to go ahead and refer. One fear I have is that one child will make it in and the other will not. Do either of these seem stronger to you? The uneven COGAT in Child 1 makes me think that even though she has higher scores, her overall profile is lower. Obviously, this is all just speculation but don't want to be caught where one child gets in and the other does not. It's Local Level IV so no need to change schools.

[Anonymous]

Even if one gets in and the other does not, you do not have to place the child in the LLIV class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have twins who I am referring.

Child 1: NNAT 129
COGAT (Composite=124, V=112, Q=134, NV=112)

Child 2: NNAT 123
COGAT (Composite=124, V=128, Q=112, NV=123)

First of all, I don't think either kid will make it in but they both have strengths in particular areas that makes me think they would do well in AAP (we already have one child in older grade who went through) so I am going to go ahead and refer. One fear I have is that one child will make it in and the other will not. Do either of these seem stronger to you? The uneven COGAT in Child 1 makes me think that even though she has higher scores, her overall profile is lower. Obviously, this is all just speculation but don't want to be caught where one child gets in and the other does not. It's Local Level IV so no need to change schools.

First of all, if I had a real concern that one would make it in and the other not, I would think about not referring at all. Either kid has a chance of getting in with a very strong GBRS, but absent that I agree it's unlikely.

As far as your question, in a vacuum I think Child 1's score profile is stronger, both because the NNAT is significantly higher and there is one COGAT subtest that is very high. But I do think that the low verbal number is concerning on its own, if it reflects the child's verbal capabilities. If Child 1 is actually a strong reader and writer and the school's input would reflect that, it would outweigh the lower score.

Note Child No. 2's COGAT is also pretty uneven -- Quantitative is much lower than Verbal.

[Anonymous]

I would refer with these scores. If denied, get a WISC by Dr. Dahlgren in ffx city.

I have twins, they were in the pool. I explained to them that they are separate individuals. If one got in and the other did not, I would appeal. If still not in, no big deal!

I am a twin and my twin was in an aap-like program; I was not. No big deal.

Neither twin got in first round. We had them complete the WISC and appealed. On the day the decisions came, we talked about the what ifs. They agreed that they would be happy for each other.

They were both accepted.

OP, just remember that they may be twins, but they are individuals. Do what is best for each child.

GL!

[Anonymous]

Similar scores...1st kid's NNAT is higher but 2nd kid's verbal is higher (where rumored more weight is placed). My guess is their GBRS will be the determining factor.

[Anonymous]

My take: child 1 looks like a strong level III/ advanced math placement, but not level IV. I would worry about the ability to keep up in the reading/writing. Child 2 actually has the more well-rounded profile you need to succeed in all core subjects in level IV-- but is probably 5 (verbal) or 10 (everything else) points too low to be a strong level IV candidate. Of course, a really strong (13+ GBRS) could counter this. But really, what does most of DCUM know, except what happen with their own kids?

On that note, a I was on the AAP central selection committee, AMA would be interesting. Any takers? I was involved in TJ selection AMA would also be great.

[Anonymous]

What is AMA

[Anonymous]

Ask Me Anything

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take: child 1 looks like a strong level III/ advanced math placement, but not level IV. I would worry about the ability to keep up in the reading/writing. Child 2 actually has the more well-rounded profile you need to succeed in all core subjects in level IV-- but is probably 5 (verbal) or 10 (everything else) points too low to be a strong level IV candidate. Of course, a really strong (13+ GBRS) could counter this. But really, what does most of DCUM know, except what happen with their own kids?

On that note, a I was on the AAP central selection committee, AMA would be interesting. Any takers? I was involved in TJ selection AMA would also be great.

I'll bite.. why don't you post an AMA thread (in AAP) so people can find it.. I'll post a question there..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take: child 1 looks like a strong level III/ advanced math placement, but not level IV. I would worry about the ability to keep up in the reading/writing. Child 2 actually has the more well-rounded profile you need to succeed in all core subjects in level IV-- but is probably 5 (verbal) or 10 (everything else) points too low to be a strong level IV candidate. Of course, a really strong (13+ GBRS) could counter this. But really, what does most of DCUM know, except what happen with their own kids?

On that note, a I was on the AAP central selection committee, AMA would be interesting. Any takers? I was involved in TJ selection AMA would also be great.

I'll bite.. why don't you post an AMA thread (in AAP) so people can find it.. I'll post a question there..

I'm the PP - I mean post a separate thread so people can find it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take: child 1 looks like a strong level III/ advanced math placement, but not level IV. I would worry about the ability to keep up in the reading/writing. Child 2 actually has the more well-rounded profile you need to succeed in all core subjects in level IV-- but is probably 5 (verbal) or 10 (everything else) points too low to be a strong level IV candidate. Of course, a really strong (13+ GBRS) could counter this. But really, what does most of DCUM know, except what happen with their own kids?

On that note, a I was on the AAP central selection committee, AMA would be interesting. Any takers? I was involved in TJ selection AMA would also be great.

I'll bite.. why don't you post an AMA thread (in AAP) so people can find it.. I'll post a question there..

Sorry. Bad wording. I was saying that if someone out there was on the AAP or TJ selection committee, an AMA would be nice. Not that I was or had been. But if anyone was or is, please, start an AMA thread. Lots of conventional wisdom out there. I wonder how much is true.