I don't know if it's really a market share grab but the name change has certainly added to the confusion around the relationship between girl scouts/boy scouts and now girl scouts/scouts. I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to join girl scouts and end up on the scouts website not realizing it's not part of the same org. I imagine many of them figure it out before joining but it does muddle something that was already unclear. |
It is my business when they are camping together and I'm entrusted with your child to make sure they aren't having sex in the middle of the night (just one example). |
Yes, but girls are welcome everywhere. Girls are welcome to tryout for any “boys” sports team. My kids play hockey and they don’t even have “boys” teams anymore…they are coed and girls. |
There were girls - the sisters of boys - at almost every event I attended in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts in the 1980s and 1990s. Weekly meetings, monthly pack meetings, camp outs, fishing trips, etc. What you're pining for never actually existed in Boy Scouts except in your idealized "un-woke" fantasy. |
Yeah, the same way pedophiles were prevalent in that organization in 80-90s. What's your point? I reject your notion that 12-year-old boys in 2024 are somehow responsible for the oppression of women over the centuries and should not have their own space to atone for the sins of their fathers. I don't have a problem with Girl Scouts (or any organization) having a space for girls only. Maybe we can allow the same for boys. |
You're literally arguing against a strawman no one advocated for in this thread. You made up a boogeyman whole cloth. You're DCUM's Don Quixote, valiantly charging up the hill at some windmills. I'm actually very supportive of GSUSA being girls-only. No one is blaming young boys for anything, except you keeping bringing it up. No one here is falling for your "narrative." |
Except of course the people who keep coming back to tell me how it's all fine that girls are a part of Boy Scouts and that boys have plenty of spaces just for themselves. |
Just let children be children. The world is not so black and white anymore. If your child chooses to identify as a girl, let her live her best life. |
Change troops? My son's troop is all boys, so there are no girls at events, campouts, or fundraisers (unless they are attending as guests or volunteers). |
Our leaving the troop would hardly change the fact that girls would still be there after our departure. |
So to recap: Your son is in a BSA troop. By BSA rules, this is all boys, so most of his experience is going to be a boys only environment. The troop chooses to host some events with a girls troop, though, so it's not the entirety of the experience. Your son could choose to move to a troop that doesn't do that, but that wouldn't be good enough, because the OTHER troop would still be camping near girls. Pointing out to you that this is a problem you could easily solve is the same thing as blaming your son for all of the sexism in history. Yeah that all makes sense. |
I've been in 3 diff GS troops. At 2 different schools. 3 troops because the leadership kept fizzling and a new mom tried to spin off and start a new troop instead just picking up where the last one left off. All were very poorly run. I get that it's a lot of effort and I think GS doesn't make it easy, but we had just a few meetings, did very little, then suddenly for 3 months it was nothing but cookies and maybe a small party at the end with our earnings. For 4 years all I remember doing was selling cookies and my daughter got very little out of the program. |
Sadly, no. |
For the 15th time it's not a boys only environment. You have to be intentionally obtuse at this point. It's coed in every sense except on paper. The point of the thread, in case you missed it, is to discuss why girl scouts don't accept boys and BSA accepts girls. Yes, if we left this particular troop which I never said we wanted to do though you suggested it several times, girls would still be a part of it. I wasn't asking you for advice or to solve any problem. Yes, we do force organizations to accept girls in the name of equity even where it doesn't make practical sense. Yes, it would be good if boys had a space just for themselves the same way you think it's a good idea that girls have a space for themselves. Is that so hard to understand? |
Okay, so your problem isn't actually that your son lacks an all-male environment, nor is your problem that you don't want to deal with "shenanigans." Your problem is that girls exist...somewhere, even if they are not actually near your own son. great great great. |