Chris Kyle Muder Trial and Conviction

[Anonymous]

I have been watching the end of the trial on CNN. Please don't think I'm making light of Chris Kyle or his friend's life, but I can't help but be a little bit sad for Eddie Ray Routh. I should probably preface this by saying that I too suffer from mental illness, I am bi-polar. My adoptive dad was Schizofrenic and he was in and out of the hospital the first few years of my life. Thinks got very rough on him when I was six and he eventually killed himself.

I think we need to have more compassion for people with mental illness, especially those who served our country. I don't think at all, that he should have gotten off scot-free, but did they have to give him life without possibility
of parole? Why couldn't they have sent him to a long term psychiatric facility? I seriously doubt that he will get the kind of treatment he needs in a prison setting until they were convinced that he had changed and was well.

I know when my dad was alive his choice was to either take his meds that made him loopy and non-functional or get a job to support your family and hope for the best. There are hundreds of safer medications today than there were a decade or two ago.

I don't know what I"m really trying to say, just wanted to convey the message that I feel bad for Routh and both of the other families involved.

[Anonymous]

I feel for him too, but two people are still dead.

[Anonymous]

I agree that we need to do more to address mental health issues. That being said, I do agree with the jury's decision.

While prisons are different from long term psychiatric facilities, he will still have access to MH professionals and medication.

[Anonymous]

Well, this appalling bit of vengeful hatred exists now:

https://m.facebook.com/The.Official.Marcus.Luttrell.Fanpage/posts/10152805906558406?__tn__=%2As

Apparently Kyle's military colleagues think prison rape is a funny subject. How charming. Sadly I guess I understand a bit better now how atrocities like Abu Ghraib happened and why suicide and family homicide amongst returning vets is so high. While I can appreciate how traumatic service in the Middle East has been for the past decade plus, I find this kind of thinking frightening and decidedly not heroic. Not to mention ironic...this mob can't see how their zeal for vengeance mirrors whatever inner darkness led Routh to do what he did. Violence begets violence, I guess - and the VA will carry on ignoring the desperately huge need for mental health services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, this appalling bit of vengeful hatred exists now:

https://m.facebook.com/The.Official.Marcus.Luttrell.Fanpage/posts/10152805906558406?__tn__=%2As

Apparently Kyle's military colleagues think prison rape is a funny subject. How charming. Sadly I guess I understand a bit better now how atrocities like Abu Ghraib happened and why suicide and family homicide amongst returning vets is so high. While I can appreciate how traumatic service in the Middle East has been for the past decade plus, I find this kind of thinking frightening and decidedly not heroic. Not to mention ironic...this mob can't see how their zeal for vengeance mirrors whatever inner darkness led Routh to do what he did. Violence begets violence, I guess - and the VA will carry on ignoring the desperately huge need for mental health services.

I agree but it's not just military folks who believe in that kind of vigilante justice. Look at old threads on DCUM; you'll see lots of people who hope that so-and-so gets raped or "what he deserves."

[Anonymous]

I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, this appalling bit of vengeful hatred exists now:

https://m.facebook.com/The.Official.Marcus.Luttrell.Fanpage/posts/10152805906558406?__tn__=%2As

Apparently Kyle's military colleagues think prison rape is a funny subject. How charming. Sadly I guess I understand a bit better now how atrocities like Abu Ghraib happened and why suicide and family homicide amongst returning vets is so high. While I can appreciate how traumatic service in the Middle East has been for the past decade plus, I find this kind of thinking frightening and decidedly not heroic. Not to mention ironic...this mob can't see how their zeal for vengeance mirrors whatever inner darkness led Routh to do what he did. Violence begets violence, I guess - and the VA will carry on ignoring the desperately huge need for mental health services.

I agree but it's not just military folks who believe in that kind of vigilante justice. Look at old threads on DCUM; you'll see lots of people who hope that so-and-so gets raped or "what he deserves."

I know that it's not just military members, but I believe in holding them to a higher standard, particularly if they expect to be practically worshipped by the public as demigods. This kind of appalling sentiment is why so many of just cannot muster that level of respect. I respect your courage and sacrifice, but you are mortal men and women, prone to the same ugliness and prejudices as everyone else. You are not some superhuman to be glorified as infallible and impervious to criticism. The author of this FB post is a lauded Navy SEAL, and IMO he has lost all credibility to claim some special level of respect. I get that his friend died, but this is beyond the pale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

If Routh’s mother had disclosed her son’s real behavior, he would not have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

If Routh’s mother had disclosed her son’s real behavior, he would not have.

You really don't know that, and he clearly characterized Routh as insane. He should have removed all weapons from the outing immediately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

If Routh’s mother had disclosed her son’s real behavior, he would not have.

You really don't know that, and he clearly characterized Routh as insane. He should have removed all weapons from the outing immediately.

And YOU don’t know what Routh’s mother told Kyle about her son. SHE asked him for help. SHE knew what the plans were. SHE should have said something.
The evidence and the testimony were pretty clear. Routh knew what he did was wrong.
You said it yourself - Kyle was NOT a psychiatrist. How many times have you said that someone was “nuts?” It doesn’t mean that person is going to go off the grid and kill someone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

If Routh’s mother had disclosed her son’s real behavior, he would not have.

You really don't know that, and he clearly characterized Routh as insane. He should have removed all weapons from the outing immediately.

And YOU don’t know what Routh’s mother told Kyle about her son. SHE asked him for help. SHE knew what the plans were. SHE should have said something.
The evidence and the testimony were pretty clear. Routh knew what he did was wrong.
You said it yourself - Kyle was NOT a psychiatrist. How many times have you said that someone was “nuts?” It doesn’t mean that person is going to go off the grid and kill someone.

If I were with someone who I thought was nuts, you are nuts if you think I would then put a gun in his hands. That was poor decision making.

By your standards, you must claim that Nancy Lanza was blameless, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

If Routh’s mother had disclosed her son’s real behavior, he would not have.

You really don't know that, and he clearly characterized Routh as insane. He should have removed all weapons from the outing immediately.

And YOU don’t know what Routh’s mother told Kyle about her son. SHE asked him for help. SHE knew what the plans were. SHE should have said something.
The evidence and the testimony were pretty clear. Routh knew what he did was wrong.
You said it yourself - Kyle was NOT a psychiatrist. How many times have you said that someone was “nuts?” It doesn’t mean that person is going to go off the grid and kill someone.

If I were with someone who I thought was nuts, you are nuts if you think I would then put a gun in his hands. That was poor decision making.

By your standards, you must claim that Nancy Lanza was blameless, too.

Oh, please. Your leaps in logic are crazy. Lanza’s mother knew her son’s issues. Just like Routh’s mother knew her son’s issues.
If you wish to start a new thread on Lanza, feel free. This is about the conviction of Kyle’s killer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

If Routh’s mother had disclosed her son’s real behavior, he would not have.

You really don't know that, and he clearly characterized Routh as insane. He should have removed all weapons from the outing immediately.

And YOU don’t know what Routh’s mother told Kyle about her son. SHE asked him for help. SHE knew what the plans were. SHE should have said something.
The evidence and the testimony were pretty clear. Routh knew what he did was wrong.
You said it yourself - Kyle was NOT a psychiatrist. How many times have you said that someone was “nuts?” It doesn’t mean that person is going to go off the grid and kill someone.

If I were with someone who I thought was nuts, you are nuts if you think I would then put a gun in his hands. That was poor decision making.

By your standards, you must claim that Nancy Lanza was blameless, too.

Oh, please. Your leaps in logic are crazy. Lanza’s mother knew her son’s issues. Just like Routh’s mother knew her son’s issues.
If you wish to start a new thread on Lanza, feel free. This is about the conviction of Kyle’s killer.

Nope. She knew her son had autism. She didn't know he was nuts.

Chris Kyle knew his killer was nuts based on his personal observations but gave him a gun anyway. It is poor decision making. Stop trying to pretend that it was in any way shape or form anything else. Chris Kyle is dead in part because HE decided that he should address someone else's mental health issues, despite his lack of training in that. He then gave his killer a gun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the verdict.
I am quite appalled that Routh’s mother did not tell Kyle and Littlefield about the problems her son had had - violent outbursts, threatening behavior. How hard it must have been for Taya Kyle to hear her testimony.
I am also appalled that the VA hospital he had gone to did not do more to treat this person.
Such a loss.

And I am appalled that Chris Kyle, who had no formal psychiatric training, decided to put a gun in the hands of a man he himself characterized as "nuts."

If Routh’s mother had disclosed her son’s real behavior, he would not have.

You really don't know that, and he clearly characterized Routh as insane. He should have removed all weapons from the outing immediately.

And YOU don’t know what Routh’s mother told Kyle about her son. SHE asked him for help. SHE knew what the plans were. SHE should have said something.
The evidence and the testimony were pretty clear. Routh knew what he did was wrong.
You said it yourself - Kyle was NOT a psychiatrist. How many times have you said that someone was “nuts?” It doesn’t mean that person is going to go off the grid and kill someone.

If I were with someone who I thought was nuts, you are nuts if you think I would then put a gun in his hands. That was poor decision making.

By your standards, you must claim that Nancy Lanza was blameless, too.

Oh, please. Your leaps in logic are crazy. Lanza’s mother knew her son’s issues. Just like Routh’s mother knew her son’s issues.
If you wish to start a new thread on Lanza, feel free. This is about the conviction of Kyle’s killer.

Nope. She knew her son had autism. She didn't know he was nuts.

Chris Kyle knew his killer was nuts based on his personal observations but gave him a gun anyway. It is poor decision making. Stop trying to pretend that it was in any way shape or form anything else. Chris Kyle is dead in part because HE decided that he should address someone else's mental health issues, despite his lack of training in that. He then gave his killer a gun.

Did you even read the full investigative report that came out last year about Lanza? It placed the blame squarely on Nancy and Peter Lanza who KNEW for YEARS that their son was withdrawing from society, engaging in delusional fantasies, experiencing mental deterioration, etc. She absolutely DID KNOW he was "nuts" and battled the school systems actively against measures they were attempting to put in place to help him before eventually withdrawing him and allowing him to sit isolated in his room, which is when doctors believe his delusions manifested into the plan to murder the children at the school. It was well and far beyond "he had autism."