DeVos' first commencement address - It did not go well.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the students' behavior is rude and stupid - and indicative of the entitled attitude permeating among collegr kids (and many on the left, in general).

This was at a Historically-Black College, and the government has invested in them for decades. In fact, Trump just recently signed an agreement giving them more clout. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trump-moves-program-on-historically-black-colleges-into-the-white-house/2017/02/28/64acd09c-fe04-11e6-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html?utm_term=.37b6d9e2d5df

Right, they should be so grateful to have her over their own objections. Who are they to have an opinion about their own commencement ceremony? Or education?

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They are supposed to be mature educated and open minded individuals who embrace diverse views. I guess their education failed them.

Maybe they know better than to sit through bull shit.

+1. Seems to me that they were smart enough to know that they were being used as pawns in a political pandering game. They were smart enough to know they were being fed BS and not chocolate pudding.

The school invited DeVos. Perhaps they should be complaining to the school administrators who are the ones using them "as pawns in a political pandering game"?

[Anonymous]

I agree the school should not have invited her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the students' behavior is rude and stupid - and indicative of the entitled attitude permeating among collegr kids (and many on the left, in general).

This was at a Historically-Black College, and the government has invested in them for decades. In fact, Trump just recently signed an agreement giving them more clout. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trump-moves-program-on-historically-black-colleges-into-the-white-house/2017/02/28/64acd09c-fe04-11e6-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html?utm_term=.37b6d9e2d5df

Right, they should be so grateful to have her over their own objections. Who are they to have an opinion about their own commencement ceremony? Or education?

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They are supposed to be mature educated and open minded individuals who embrace diverse views. I guess their education failed them.

Yeah okay, what you really mean to say is they are supposed to be docile and servile sycophants who smile and say, "Yassir boss!" anytime a white person opens their mouth. Sorry to disappoint but this is not the 1800's and the tight-lipped subservient slaves you love so much are no longer in existence. Those were, in fact, mature educated and open-minded individuals who have a voice and who had a choice and they exercised their rights as free citizens are entitled to do by turning their backs on that fraud of an Education Secretary and her counterfeit commencement address which was nothing more than a publicity stunt. Those mature, educated, and aware graduates recognized what was really going on and and wanted no part of it. If Betsy DeVos wants to pad her weak resume with photo ops alongside black students tell her she needs to take her ignorant ass to a predominantly black preschool and smile for the cameras holding 4 year-old's, they're too young too understand, but she's not going to pull that bullshit on mature educated individuals who know a sham when they see one.

+100

Such diversity of thought and passion is actually great for a business. It means they are looking for new ways to solve problems and get results, plus they are inspired by their work.

Unfortunately, many business owners take an authoritarian "father knows best" attitude. This is what prevents them from graduating their small business to a medium sized business. The most successful businesses in world - Google, Facebook, Bridgewater hedge fund - thrived because they created an environment of regularly challenging the ideas of the "boss" to create a better product, service, or more profitability. You want young workers who (i) have the street smarts to spot bullsh#t a mile away and (ii) are confident enough to stand-up for themselves/their ideas.

These kids will have a great future. It's also pretty obvious that their college president sold them out for a few pieces of silver.

Nailed it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the students' behavior is rude and stupid - and indicative of the entitled attitude permeating among collegr kids (and many on the left, in general).

This was at a Historically-Black College, and the government has invested in them for decades. In fact, Trump just recently signed an agreement giving them more clout. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trump-moves-program-on-historically-black-colleges-into-the-white-house/2017/02/28/64acd09c-fe04-11e6-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html?utm_term=.37b6d9e2d5df

Right, they should be so grateful to have her over their own objections. Who are they to have an opinion about their own commencement ceremony? Or education?

They don't get to decide who speaks at their commencement - the president does (and did). This type of entitlement is going to bite them in the butt when they get out in the real world, and the boss makes the decisions.

I've worked with new college grads - and they are the worst. Everything is a negotiation with them. When I give directions for a project, explaining the steps to be taken (and why), I am met with a response that they know a better way and want to do it like that. (This from a 22-year-old to her boss with 20 years of experience.) if you don't "give in," they pout - since I suppose they can no linger boo.

That's interesting because in ALL of the commencements that I have been a part of it was NOT the president who chose the speaker. It was the students who sent the invite with the president's consent. Commencements are about the students and their families - within reason, their wishes should be respected. Inviting someone that they objected to from the start and then refusing to listen to those objections was a recipe for disaster.

So basically you want your employees to be obedient servants and not vested members of the team. That's fine but I want folks who can bring different perspectives to the table. In the end, I may insist on it being done my way. But if someone (even if they are younger) thinks they have a better way, I hear them out at least (unless its an urgent issue).

No, I do not want my employees to be obedient servants. I welxome their input and perspective, and I will consider it. IF I think they have identified a better way, I'm delighted. But ultimately, it is I who decide whether or not to do it "their" way. I'm the boss.

The problem I have run into is when well-intentioned new college grad tell me (they usually approach it with an attitude that their way is definitely better), I patiently thank them for their idea and they explain why it won't work. I consider it a training opportunity. But, these students who have never had to "give in" become absolutely intolerable if I don't defer to their wishes. Crazy.

Example: There was an admittedly boring part of a project (would take a couple of hours) that I assigned to my employee. (I had to do grunt work when I first got out of college, so I understand it's crap, but someone's got to do it.) She told me that she would only do it if I "did my share" and did it with her. I explained that the company would rather have me continue on the strategic marketing plan I was developing, and she said....get this...."well, I'll help you with the marketing plan if you do your part with this boring work".

It all starts with teaching kids respect for authority and appreciation that older, more experienced staff are paid more than you for a reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree the school should not have invited her.

But once they did invite her, the students should have sat quietly, hands in laps. They can show disagreement through lack of clapping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the students' behavior is rude and stupid - and indicative of the entitled attitude permeating among collegr kids (and many on the left, in general).

This was at a Historically-Black College, and the government has invested in them for decades. In fact, Trump just recently signed an agreement giving them more clout. Why bite the hand that feeds you?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trump-moves-program-on-historically-black-colleges-into-the-white-house/2017/02/28/64acd09c-fe04-11e6-8f41-ea6ed597e4ca_story.html?utm_term=.37b6d9e2d5df

Right, they should be so grateful to have her over their own objections. Who are they to have an opinion about their own commencement ceremony? Or education?

+1

They are supposed to be mature educated and open minded individuals who embrace diverse views. I guess their education failed them.

Maybe they know better than to sit through bull shit.

+1. Seems to me that they were smart enough to know that they were being used as pawns in a political pandering game. They were smart enough to know they were being fed BS and not chocolate pudding.

The school invited DeVos. Perhaps they should be complaining to the school administrators who are the ones using them "as pawns in a political pandering game"?

They DID complain to them!!! Their complaints were disregarded. Hence, the protests at the ceremony.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree the school should not have invited her.

But once they did invite her, the students should have sat quietly, hands in laps. They can show disagreement through lack of clapping.

That's what you would do. That does not mean others have to do what you do. They don't have to be sheep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree the school should not have invited her.

But once they did invite her, the students should have sat quietly, hands in laps. They can show disagreement through lack of clapping.

No offense, but it isn't patronizing to tell these adults HOW to protest? You want them to protest in the least objectionable and disruptive manner. That kind of defeats the purpose of the protest. And for the record, not all the students booed. Some QUIETLY turned their backs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree the school should not have invited her.

But once they did invite her, the students should have sat quietly, hands in laps. They can show disagreement through lack of clapping.

No offense, but it isn't patronizing to tell these adults HOW to protest? You want them to protest in the least objectionable and disruptive manner. That kind of defeats the purpose of the protest. And for the record, not all the students booed. Some QUIETLY turned their backs.

I saw the video. Sure sounded noisy and rude to me. Some may have quietly turned their banks, but others did not. Since there's no way to know which ones were belligerent, the entire school will look bad to some emoloyers, and it will work against these students. In some cases. And with the job marker as tough as it is, you don't won't to burn bridges before they're even built.

And adults don't protest like that. That's the point some of us are making. These "adults" are going to have a tough time dealing in the real world. Do you advocate them turning their backs on their bosses if they don't like the assignment or process?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree the school should not have invited her.

But once they did invite her, the students should have sat quietly, hands in laps. They can show disagreement through lack of clapping.

That's what you would do. That does not mean others have to do what you do. They don't have to be sheep.

Showing disapproval in a respectful manner is not bng a sheep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree the school should not have invited her.

But once they did invite her, the students should have sat quietly, hands in laps. They can show disagreement through lack of clapping.

No offense, but it isn't patronizing to tell these adults HOW to protest? You want them to protest in the least objectionable and disruptive manner. That kind of defeats the purpose of the protest. And for the record, not all the students booed. Some QUIETLY turned their backs.

I saw the video. Sure sounded noisy and rude to me. Some may have quietly turned their banks, but others did not. Since there's no way to know which ones were belligerent, the entire school will look bad to some emoloyers, and it will work against these students. In some cases. And with the job marker as tough as it is, you don't won't to burn bridges before they're even built.

And adults don't protest like that. That's the point some of us are making. These "adults" are going to have a tough time dealing in the real world. Do you advocate them turning their backs on their bosses if they don't like the assignment or process?

Why do you think students will somehow be disrespectful to their future bosses? It's a massive leap in logic. Ms. DeVos isn't their boss; as taxpayers, they pay her salary. She's a politician and they have 1st Amendment rights to give her a piece of their mind.

The 1st Amendment doesn't apply in the private sector workplace.

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Anonymous wrote:Can't believe that bunch of uneducated street thugs assailed and assaulted that poor white woman.

I'm sure that's exactly how it looks to the old f*cks who voted for Trump.

What a bigot you are.

Just calling it like I see it. Every single person I know who voted for Trump has made some racist comment at some point. Some more often and more loudly than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree the school should not have invited her.

But once they did invite her, the students should have sat quietly, hands in laps. They can show disagreement through lack of clapping.

No offense, but it isn't patronizing to tell these adults HOW to protest? You want them to protest in the least objectionable and disruptive manner. That kind of defeats the purpose of the protest. And for the record, not all the students booed. Some QUIETLY turned their backs.

I saw the video. Sure sounded noisy and rude to me. Some may have quietly turned their banks, but others did not. Since there's no way to know which ones were belligerent, the entire school will look bad to some emoloyers, and it will work against these students. In some cases. And with the job marker as tough as it is, you don't won't to burn bridges before they're even built.

And adults don't protest like that. That's the point some of us are making. These "adults" are going to have a tough time dealing in the real world. Do you advocate them turning their backs on their bosses if they don't like the assignment or process?

So you think that because someone participated in a school protest, they will become disrespectful to bosses? Well, I lived through the protests in the late 60's and they were a lot more intense than this was. Interestingly enough, a lot of these folks ended up pretty successful in life. Go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree the school should not have invited her.

But once they did invite her, the students should have sat quietly, hands in laps. They can show disagreement through lack of clapping.

No. That would have no effect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree the school should not have invited her.

But once they did invite her, the students should have sat quietly, hands in laps. They can show disagreement through lack of clapping.

That's what you would do. That does not mean others have to do what you do. They don't have to be sheep.

Showing disapproval in a respectful manner is not bng a sheep.

So your take is that although they were disrespected and their wishes ignored (about who was going to motivate and inspire them at a ceremony to honor them), they should have sat there quietly and been "respectful"?

This was a slap in the face to them and robbed them of the pride and good memories we have when we talk about our graduation ceremony. Yet, they are supposed to grin and bear it.