Trump's worship of Putin

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are many reasons why Trump's compliment to Putin should raise a series of red flags. Putin has a history of cracking down on free speech, as Pussy Riot member Nadya Tolokonnikova warns. Tolokonnikova, along with other members of Pussy Riot, spent nearly two years unjustly imprisoned for a performance that was critical of Putin. Additionally, Trump’s national security adviser, Michael Flynn] was recently found to have partnered with a firm run by a man with alleged KGB ties. The KGB was the main security agency of the Soviet Union from 1954 until it was disbanded in 1991, but many experts have compared the recent hackings to the old methods used by the KGB. Finally, if Trump is looking to Putin as the benchmark for leadership, we have a lot of reasons to be concerned about LGBTQ+ rights, as Russia has passed a series of anti-LGBTQ+ laws and Putin himself signed a law banning "gay propaganda."

Trump, as the president-elect, and even as a presidential candidate, has a huge impact on the beliefs of the American people. When he says things (or tweets them), his supporters believe him. So when he is dismissive of a serious threat to the U.S.'s security, or when his definition of truth continues to remain flexible, that is extremely dangerous. U.S. intelligence officials have explicitly stated that Russia has orchestrated an attack on American democracy. And the fact that the incoming president not only minimizes those claims but actually praises the man behind that attack is endlessly disturbing and a huge threat to our country's future.

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump-praises-putin-after-obama-administration-imposes-sanctions-on-russia?mbid=social_twitter

teen vogue?

Catch up. Teen Vogue has actually been doing some great political writing.

I'll pass, thanks. Jesus.

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Anonymous wrote:Obama is done, Trump is our new President and he has to work with Russia/Putin.

At this point, Obama is just tantruming. Obama has been hopeless with foreign policy, as evidenced most recently with Putin and Erdogan agreeing to a ceasefire while Obama vacations and was completely left out of the convo.

Again, this discussion was more focused on Trump. I said diplomacy is central but Trump is a fanboy.

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So Trump should just ineffectually ignore Russia as Obama did for 8 years?

Putin is making Obama look like an idiot on the global stage. Geesh.

No just no. Most respected countries see Putin for the dictator he is except Trump.

It is ridiculous to compare Obama and Putin. One is a pathetic lame duck and the other a force to be reckoned with within global politics.

Wherever I like or approve of Putin or Russian government is immaterial.

Trump has to deal with Putin. I suppose he should just disregard Putin and pretend he doesn't exist, ala fingers in the ears, ala Obama?

Putin is also a murderer.

[Anonymous]

Jesus, Trump's tweet. Does he actually think that kind of undermining behavior makes the US look strong in Russia's eyes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Obama is done, Trump is our new President and he has to work with Russia/Putin.

At this point, Obama is just tantruming. Obama has been hopeless with foreign policy, as evidenced most recently with Putin and Erdogan agreeing to a ceasefire while Obama vacations and was completely left out of the convo.

Again, this discussion was more focused on Trump. I said diplomacy is central but Trump is a fanboy.

M[citstion needed]

So Trump should just ineffectually ignore Russia as Obama did for 8 years?

Putin is making Obama look like an idiot on the global stage. Geesh.

No just no. Most respected countries see Putin for the dictator he is except Trump.

It is ridiculous to compare Obama and Putin. One is a pathetic lame duck and the other a force to be reckoned with within global politics.

Wherever I like or approve of Putin or Russian government is immaterial.

Trump has to deal with Putin. I suppose he should just disregard Putin and pretend he doesn't exist, ala fingers in the ears, ala Obama?

Putin is also a murderer.

Ever notice the numbers of innocents the Obama Admin has droned to death?

“Between January 2012 and February 2013,” The Intercept reported, “U.S. special operations airstrikes killed more than 200 people. Of those, only 35 were the intended targets. During one five-month period of the operation, according to the documents, nearly 90 percent of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets.” That’s one campaign of many in just one country where drone killings happen."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/

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Anonymous wrote:Obama is done, Trump is our new President and he has to work with Russia/Putin.

At this point, Obama is just tantruming. Obama has been hopeless with foreign policy, as evidenced most recently with Putin and Erdogan agreeing to a ceasefire while Obama vacations and was completely left out of the convo.

Again, this discussion was more focused on Trump. I said diplomacy is central but Trump is a fanboy.

M[citstion needed]

So Trump should just ineffectually ignore Russia as Obama did for 8 years?

Putin is making Obama look like an idiot on the global stage. Geesh.

No just no. Most respected countries see Putin for the dictator he is except Trump.

It is ridiculous to compare Obama and Putin. One is a pathetic lame duck and the other a force to be reckoned with within global politics.

Wherever I like or approve of Putin or Russian government is immaterial.

Trump has to deal with Putin. I suppose he should just disregard Putin and pretend he doesn't exist, ala fingers in the ears, ala Obama?

Putin is also a murderer.

Ever notice the numbers of innocents the Obama Admin has droned to death?

“Between January 2012 and February 2013,” The Intercept reported, “U.S. special operations airstrikes killed more than 200 people. Of those, only 35 were the intended targets. During one five-month period of the operation, according to the documents, nearly 90 percent of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets.” That’s one campaign of many in just one country where drone killings happen."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/

So what's your point? Obama's drone strikes have zero to do with the really embarassing, weakening way Trump is behaving on the world stage.

[Anonymous]

China and the ME are the real enemy, I see nothing wrong with having an alliance with Russia to fight terrorism. Wouldn't the USA want a president that another superpower in Russia wants to work with?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama is done, Trump is our new President and he has to work with Russia/Putin.

At this point, Obama is just tantruming. Obama has been hopeless with foreign policy, as evidenced most recently with Putin and Erdogan agreeing to a ceasefire while Obama vacations and was completely left out of the convo.

Again, this discussion was more focused on Trump. I said diplomacy is central but Trump is a fanboy.

M[citstion needed]

So Trump should just ineffectually ignore Russia as Obama did for 8 years?

Putin is making Obama look like an idiot on the global stage. Geesh.

No just no. Most respected countries see Putin for the dictator he is except Trump.

It is ridiculous to compare Obama and Putin. One is a pathetic lame duck and the other a force to be reckoned with within global politics.

Wherever I like or approve of Putin or Russian government is immaterial.

Trump has to deal with Putin. I suppose he should just disregard Putin and pretend he doesn't exist, ala fingers in the ears, ala Obama?

Putin is also a murderer.

Ever notice the numbers of innocents the Obama Admin has droned to death?

“Between January 2012 and February 2013,” The Intercept reported, “U.S. special operations airstrikes killed more than 200 people. Of those, only 35 were the intended targets. During one five-month period of the operation, according to the documents, nearly 90 percent of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets.” That’s one campaign of many in just one country where drone killings happen."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/

So what's your point? Obama's drone strikes have zero to do with the really embarassing, weakening way Trump is behaving on the world stage.

Putin is a murderer and Obama just kills innocent people,and it's ok. Are you the PP who posted that Putin is a murderer? That's who am replying to.

[Anonymous]

Terrifying. But, he did ask Russia to spy on an American and people still call him a "patriot." He also demeaned a veterans and their families. No, he is not a patriot. He is a traitor. (I'm sure he'll be tracking us soon enough to see who to put in his black book a la the Russian way.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fresh Air interview about Trump/Russia connections:

"Journalist: Trump Seems 'Willfully Blind' To Putin's Real Goals"

"It's the way Trump talks about Putin and Russia. There's something mysterious about it. There's something that I think we don't completely understand. And I like to talk about it in terms of - you know, there's this concept in astrophysics, dark matter in the universe. And it's this stuff that holds the universe together. But we can't see it. We know it's out there. We know it has some kind of gravitational pull. But we can't define exactly what it is.

And with Trump and Putin, there is this very strange way in which Trump constantly forgives Putin for his bad actions. He dismisses accusations against Putin. He says - he finds alternate explanations. Just to give you a couple quick examples, we have all followed the story of the Russian hacking during this election. And Trump has been very reluctant to admit that this actually happened. You know, and he said, you never know. It could be a 400-pound guy sitting on his mother's bed.

But it goes back much farther. You know, when Trump was asked about whether Putin has political opponents and journalists killed, Trump said, well, you don't know that. People say that he does it. But I don't know if it's true. When the passenger jet MH17 was shot down over Ukraine a couple of years ago, and international investigation concluded, this was supported by all kinds of Western intelligence agencies - that the plane was shot down by pro-Russian separatists using a missile supplied by Moscow. Trump was asked about that. And he said, well, people say that. But you don't know.

And there's other theories out there. Even the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, the Russian who drank polonium from a tea cup in London and died after that - he was a big Putin critic. Trump has been asked about that - same thing. We don't know. We don't know. He seems almost, you know, willfully blind to this pattern of Putin's actions in a way that doesn't add up. It makes you think that there's something going on that we don't completely understand. And that's really frustrating and, I think, for a lot of people, very troubling."

Since I am USA-hating lib-tard, I am going to enjoy the show of Trump/GOP doing Putin's bidding and annihilate USA interests globally. Yahoo!

Too many people in the U.S. (irrespective of party) are way to willing to believe the worst about Putin and Russia. And really most of the rest of the world. It was shown many times that U.S. Media routinely exaggerate numbers of victims in remote wars by factors of tens or hundreds. Same for numbers of people killed by various dictators etc. there is certain provinciliasm very wide spread in the U.S. In that they think the rest of the world except for Western Europe is hell hole. For whatever reason trump actually doesn't seem to have that particular affliction.

I am sorry but Putin's Russia is bad, and I know this first hand. Whether or not is bad of the US, that might be argued.
In many ways, it's better to have one strong man there than many, all with access to the USSR nuclear arsenal.
But this new love of Putin and Russia by the US Right, in part fueled by Putin's alliance with the Orthodox Church and thus to Christian's Conservatives by proxy, is really revolting.
But you will see: Trump thinks he is the boss, but he will soon realize Putin is the boss, and at the first misstep, he will pay the price.

GWB, Obama and now Trump, all started their administration with the idea of getting along with Russia and/or Putin.

- Don't you remember GWB saying he had "seen Putin's soul" and that it was good?

July 16, 2001: Bush Gets ‘Sense of’ Putin’s ‘Soul’ in First US-Russian Summit
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a071601bushputinsoul

- Don't you remember the Obama's Reset button?

- And now Trump...oh but he is different isn't he?
Well maybe... he does not care to sell the US if he can build a big hotel in Moscow.

Best case scenario, this love will be short-lived as the others. Worst, the US is going to be Russia's puppy over some real estate deal.

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July 16, 2001: Bush Gets ‘Sense of’ Putin’s ‘Soul’ in First US-Russian SummitEdit event
Presidents Bush and Putin during the summit.
Presidents Bush and Putin during the summit. [Source: BBC]
The first summit meeting between US President George W. Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin goes well, with the two apparently forming a warm working relationship. Both say they have found the basis for a relationship of mutual respect. Bush describes Putin as straightforward and trustworthy, and says: “I looked the man in the eye.… I was able to get a sense of his soul.” No real progress is made on the issues that divide the two nations—particularly US plans to enlarge NATO and expand its defense capabilities—but Bush says the two sides are resolved to put aside Cold War-era attitudes and differences, and to move away from the concept of “mutually assured destruction” and towards “mutually earned respect.” [BBC, 7/16/2001]

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How easily we forget...

[Anonymous]

Sorry, pic above should be this.

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile, let's skip over Obama's eight years of ?? Russian policy and pin it all on Trump. Seems reasonable, Obama gets a gold star no matter how bad he messes stuff up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a pretty solid move on Obama's part to institute sanctions. Now Trump will stand out as the Russian stooge he is as soon as he lifts them.

And it will do wonders for Tillerson's confirmations hearings.
And it will play into the Russia-Trump love affair and anger McCain and Graham, who already dislike Trump.

I think this is going to be a fun 4 years....
...for the Democrats. There is only one way to do well, but there are many ways to mess up. I am starting to like this being in the opposition thingy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:China and the ME are the real enemy, I see nothing wrong with having an alliance with Russia to fight terrorism. Wouldn't the USA want a president that another superpower in Russia wants to work with?

I look at this entire thread and wonder what happened to civic pride and leadership. Are we just going to ignore 50+ years of anomisity towards Russia? Ignore the fact that if anyone else other the future POTUS was saying these things about a foreign leader as vile as Putin s/he would be strung up on espionage charges? I really don't get it, even if you support a political party, surely you support the integrity of your country first???

[Anonymous]

How is this not treason? President-elect dismisses findings of intelligence community and is now licking Putin's ass after the US imposes sanctions.