Chris Stevens Family responds to Benghazi Scandal

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Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

What I find so shocking is folks' failure to understand the distances the military needed to cover to reach Libya. The US does not have a base in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc. Even if our country wanted bases in those places, we can't afford it due to money President Bush squandered in his debacle in Iraq (as well as his botched war in Afghanistan). President Reagan, in concert with Sen. Helms, gutted the State Department. Of course, sh*t will happen when an entity's resources are depleted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think anyone who loses a child wants someone to be held accountable. And yes, the government made mistakes. But these four people chose hazardous jobs in a hazardous part of the world. They know they face real risks.

Um... no one mentions "real risks" during FSO hiring process. Leaving the Embassy without adequate security, heck, establishing the Embassy against security advice is not a "mistake." Even it it was, the guilty parties should be held responsible, don't you think?

What? My friends who are FSOs undertake all kinds of training for the security challenges they may face in the 21st century. Just so you know, they had to beef up that program because the GOP congress gutted earlier ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My understanding is help could have been sent on time to save SOME of the victims (not all). In terms of preparation, I am pretty scandalized by how vulnerable an Ambassador was, then putting people who needed to protect him in vulnerable positions. Embassies all over the world have hardened up, but the security measures on this outpst in Libya were laughable. He should not have had permission to be there. Yes, lessons should be learned here and responsibility taken by whomever allowed for that.

From what I understand, Ambassador Stevens liked to be light on feet, not travelling in motorcades, etc. Did it ever occur to you that he made these decisions? I can't imagine that he thought travelling to Benghazi was the equivalent of crossing the Bay Bridge on the Friday before the Fourth.

[Anonymous]

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This. As much as some people want to believe a successful rescue operation was close at hand, it wasn't.

It is a failure. Period. State didn't want uniforms. Did that stop them? Who knows? Why wasn't help sent--it lasted a very long time. It was even uncertain if they would get off the ground at the airport once they were there. You know, Thirteen Hours.

We do know. The DOD people could not have gotten there in time. According to every report out there. Arguing about uniforms, an issue you are blowing way out of proportion, doesn't change anything. Take your trolling "talents" to a new issue.

Reinforcements were about 2 hours away.

No, they weren't. But a psychiatric unit capable of helping you cope with your delusions is 2 hours away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

What I find so shocking is folks' failure to understand the distances the military needed to cover to reach Libya. The US does not have a base in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc. Even if our country wanted bases in those places, we can't afford it due to money President Bush squandered in his debacle in Iraq (as well as his botched war in Afghanistan). President Reagan, in concert with Sen. Helms, gutted the State Department. Of course, sh*t will happen when an entity's resources are depleted.

Shocking? Really?

"Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour's flight from Libya."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/diplomat-us-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

This. As much as some people want to believe a successful rescue operation was close at hand, it wasn't.

We have a naval base one hour away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

YOU are the ones playing politics with Sean Smith's death. YOU are the ones who should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting this woman's grief. And you have the gall to point fingers at people who disagree with your hateful paranoid, political masturbation?!?

Sean Smith died in the compound with the Stevens. It was Woods that died on the roof, waiting for help that never came. Bled to death over a long period of time. If you are going to accuse people of playing politics, perhaps you should learn what really fucking happened, eh?

Look at their faces. Burn them into your memory. And have some God damn respect:

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2013/06/14/the-rest-of-the-benghazi-story-tyrone-woods-and-glen-doherty/

Now that Gowdy has spoken, you can take your politics. It's done, at least until the next committee starts.

It's not done. It's never done. Those men deserve more than liberals will ever think to give them.

Oh give it a rest. This is about Hillary Clinton and you are using the dead as a political game. There was no solemnity for the dead on Wine Wednesdays, with their engraved glasses.

See bolded. And go to hell.

Would you like to speak to the failures under Bush that led to dozens of embassy deaths? Can you speak to the Republicans who cut the funding for security? No. Go to hell yourself, because you can't name a single embassy that was attacked under Bush. This is politics for you and you're a dick for pretending otherwise.

Who's playing the political game? Sweetie, I woke every night to the screams of a man with post-traumatic stress because he could not stop the Marine Beirut base bombing. That was under Reagan. At least he fucking admitted his failure in that regard. Obama was .... where? Hillary is a liar and a crook. Even without Benghazi.

I am simply asking you to respect the dead. You can't even do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This. As much as some people want to believe a successful rescue operation was close at hand, it wasn't.

It is a failure. Period. State didn't want uniforms. Did that stop them? Who knows? Why wasn't help sent--it lasted a very long time. It was even uncertain if they would get off the ground at the airport once they were there. You know, Thirteen Hours.

We do know. The DOD people could not have gotten there in time. According to every report out there. Arguing about uniforms, an issue you are blowing way out of proportion, doesn't change anything. Take your trolling "talents" to a new issue.

Reinforcements were about 2 hours away.

No, they weren't. But a psychiatric unit capable of helping you cope with your delusions is 2 hours away.

Best get a unit big enough for CBS news...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/diplomat-us-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

What I find so shocking is folks' failure to understand the distances the military needed to cover to reach Libya. The US does not have a base in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc. Even if our country wanted bases in those places, we can't afford it due to money President Bush squandered in his debacle in Iraq (as well as his botched war in Afghanistan). President Reagan, in concert with Sen. Helms, gutted the State Department. Of course, sh*t will happen when an entity's resources are depleted.

Shocking? Really?

"Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour's flight from Libya."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/diplomat-us-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

I'm inclined to fully credit the testimony of General Dempsey before the Senate Armed Forces Committee duting which he noted, among other things, that US tactical assets were not on heightened alert and thus not in a position to respond in a timely and effective manner. But I guess you guys know better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

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It is a sad fact that most current diplomats, whether career or appointed by the Obama administration for political contribution payback, are Democrats. The Diplomatic Security personnel, Secret Service, and CIA personnel (like most government security related people) are very conservative. They put their lives on the line to protect people, and do so for people whose values they do not share. But they do it. Chris Stevens made a huge mistake going to Benghazi and lost his life and those who protected him. That is the sad result, and any government inquiry has to prove otherwise to limit the financial and political liability of the administration in power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

What I find so shocking is folks' failure to understand the distances the military needed to cover to reach Libya. The US does not have a base in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc. Even if our country wanted bases in those places, we can't afford it due to money President Bush squandered in his debacle in Iraq (as well as his botched war in Afghanistan). President Reagan, in concert with Sen. Helms, gutted the State Department. Of course, sh*t will happen when an entity's resources are depleted.

Shocking? Really?

"Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour's flight from Libya."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/diplomat-us-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

I'm inclined to fully credit the testimony of General Dempsey before the Senate Armed Forces Committee duting which he noted, among other things, that US tactical assets were not on heightened alert and thus not in a position to respond in a timely and effective manner. But I guess you guys know better.

This is a good article explaining how difficult, and dangerous, a rescue attempt would have been, even if forces were closer:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-dangerous-delusion-that-the-americans-in-benghazi-could-have-been-saved/2016/06/29/056e93ca-3e2b-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

All these armchair military strategists annoy the heck out of me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

What I find so shocking is folks' failure to understand the distances the military needed to cover to reach Libya. The US does not have a base in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc. Even if our country wanted bases in those places, we can't afford it due to money President Bush squandered in his debacle in Iraq (as well as his botched war in Afghanistan). President Reagan, in concert with Sen. Helms, gutted the State Department. Of course, sh*t will happen when an entity's resources are depleted.

Shocking? Really?

"Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour's flight from Libya."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/diplomat-us-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

I'm inclined to fully credit the testimony of General Dempsey before the Senate Armed Forces Committee duting which he noted, among other things, that US tactical assets were not on heightened alert and thus not in a position to respond in a timely and effective manner. But I guess you guys know better.

This is a good article explaining how difficult, and dangerous, a rescue attempt would have been, even if forces were closer:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-dangerous-delusion-that-the-americans-in-benghazi-could-have-been-saved/2016/06/29/056e93ca-3e2b-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

All these armchair military strategists annoy the heck out of me.

I guess we could have traded some dangerous terrorists for them..

Paronto says otherwise. He was on the ground. Was the Post reporter?

[Anonymous]

I'm inclined to fully credit the testimony of General Dempsey before the Senate Armed Forces Committee duting which he noted, among other things, that US tactical assets were not on heightened alert and thus not in a position to respond in a timely and effective manner. But I guess you guys know better.

I have problems with this statement. First, anyone who has been around the military knows that they are always expected to be able to quickly go "on alert".

But, what I have greater problem with is WHY weren't they already on alert. The White House had released a statement the day before that John Brennan held a briefing to ensure that all our worldwide facilities would be protected on 9/11. Why weren't they on alert? .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

YOU are the ones playing politics with Sean Smith's death. YOU are the ones who should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting this woman's grief. And you have the gall to point fingers at people who disagree with your hateful paranoid, political masturbation?!?

Sean Smith died in the compound with the Stevens. It was Woods that died on the roof, waiting for help that never came. Bled to death over a long period of time. If you are going to accuse people of playing politics, perhaps you should learn what really fucking happened, eh?

Look at their faces. Burn them into your memory. And have some God damn respect:

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2013/06/14/the-rest-of-the-benghazi-story-tyrone-woods-and-glen-doherty/

Now that Gowdy has spoken, you can take your politics. It's done, at least until the next committee starts.

It's not done. It's never done. Those men deserve more than liberals will ever think to give them.

Oh give it a rest. This is about Hillary Clinton and you are using the dead as a political game. There was no solemnity for the dead on Wine Wednesdays, with their engraved glasses.

See bolded. And go to hell.

Would you like to speak to the failures under Bush that led to dozens of embassy deaths? Can you speak to the Republicans who cut the funding for security? No. Go to hell yourself, because you can't name a single embassy that was attacked under Bush. This is politics for you and you're a dick for pretending otherwise.

Who's playing the political game? Sweetie, I woke every night to the screams of a man with post-traumatic stress because he could not stop the Marine Beirut base bombing. That was under Reagan. At least he fucking admitted his failure in that regard. Obama was .... where? Hillary is a liar and a crook. Even without Benghazi.

I am simply asking you to respect the dead. You can't even do that.

You have no effing clue about me. None. And your entire post, sweetie, is deflection. I don't care who you woke up with what morning; that's your concern. Bush led us into a war of choice, and under him DOZENS of embassy employees died. Tell me all the investigations that took place, all the blame he accepted (hint: none!), all the fuss Fox and the Repubs made (hint: sweep that under the rug!), the fact that Republicans reduced security budgets... You don't give a shit.

You. are. playing. politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its understandable that Chris Steven's family would feel this way, he was a close personal friend of Hillary and supported her politics. Unfortunately, there are other victims who were there to protect him whether they supported Hillary and her politics or not, and given the statements from their families, they were not Hillary supporters, or Obama. They lost their lives too and it does matter and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A family totally sympathetic to Clinton and her campaign are just not credible, we will not forget that she and Obama swept this under the rug to protect a presidency. Fifty percent of this Country will not sweep it under the rug, and if it were your son on that roof that very long night, you would not forget either.

That's what I find troubling is Hillary supporters never put themselves in the shoes of the victims. It's not just she lied to their families but she and Obama didn't send any help for 7 long hours. I just can't imagine what horrible last few hours those four people endured. And Hillary minions have the gall to say that's what the four victims signed up for and Sean Smith's mother was playing politics??

You mean Panetta didn't send help. The "help" at issue was DOD resources. And every report has concluded they could not have been deployed in time.

What I find so shocking is folks' failure to understand the distances the military needed to cover to reach Libya. The US does not have a base in Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc. Even if our country wanted bases in those places, we can't afford it due to money President Bush squandered in his debacle in Iraq (as well as his botched war in Afghanistan). President Reagan, in concert with Sen. Helms, gutted the State Department. Of course, sh*t will happen when an entity's resources are depleted.

Shocking? Really?

"Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour's flight from Libya."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/diplomat-us-special-forces-told-you-cant-go-to-benghazi-during-attacks/

I'm inclined to fully credit the testimony of General Dempsey before the Senate Armed Forces Committee duting which he noted, among other things, that US tactical assets were not on heightened alert and thus not in a position to respond in a timely and effective manner. But I guess you guys know better.

This is a good article explaining how difficult, and dangerous, a rescue attempt would have been, even if forces were closer:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-dangerous-delusion-that-the-americans-in-benghazi-could-have-been-saved/2016/06/29/056e93ca-3e2b-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html

All these armchair military strategists annoy the heck out of me.

I guess we could have traded some dangerous terrorists for them..

Paronto says otherwise. He was on the ground. Was the Post reporter?

Who else? It takes more than one person to go forward with an operation like that.