Pimmit Hills question - elementary schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, Pimmit Hills has lots of people who speak English (thankfully), but it also has enclaves of overcrowded tiny houses filled (overcrowded) with multi-generational Central American family units who do not speak English - or barely speak it. I live in Pimmit Hills too, so I know what I am saying. Among the English speakers, we still have people flying Confederate flags on the flag poles in front of their houses, or who have signs on their sheds and garages saying "If you can read this, you are to f@@@ing close".

Supervisor Foust needs to get in here and bring the quality of Pimmit Hills to the level of Tysons and McLean. The roads in Pimmit Hills are crumbling to the point that mud is seeping through the remaining asphalt. There are cars, trucks, boats, trailers and debris left alongside of the too-narrow roads and front yards. There is even a flop house in the neighborhood. Some police officers refer to many of the residents as Pilmmit Hillbillies.

You must live in a secret part of Pimmit Hills. I don't know of any "enclaves" of overcrowded tiny houses with generations of Central Americans inside.

There's like one confederate flag in the entire neighborhood. As for the signs, I don't know what you expect Foust to do about it. The cheaper option would be for you to develop a sense of humor about it all.

Cars and trucks alongside roads? Where would you have people leave their cars? We leave our three cars parked on the street in front of our house. Where would you like me to park so I stop offending your delicate sensibilities?

What's a flop house?

[Anonymous]

Take a drive down by the 7/11. Park on your driveway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Take a drive down by the 7/11. Park on your driveway.

I suggest you look into Lorton or Great Falls. You sound better suited for the world of planned, gated neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putting Pimmit Hills in 22182 or 22101 would change a whole lot! Pimmit Hills is currently all on its own in 22043, which translates for those in the know to "ghetto land". If it were in McLean or Tysons, it would be treated the same as either in the eyes of the local government and law enforcement. As it is now, it is almost completely ignored, and what goes on in there is accepted. Simple, really.

22043 is also zoned for Haycock/McLean and Shreve/Marshall. I think that PH is the last area where you can buy an affordable SFH close in and zoned for good schools but it is rapidly getting more expensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putting Pimmit Hills in 22182 or 22101 would change a whole lot! Pimmit Hills is currently all on its own in 22043, which translates for those in the know to "ghetto land". If it were in McLean or Tysons, it would be treated the same as either in the eyes of the local government and law enforcement. As it is now, it is almost completely ignored, and what goes on in there is accepted. Simple, really.

22043 is also zoned for Haycock/McLean and Shreve/Marshall. I think that PH is the last area where you can buy an affordable SFH close in and zoned for good schools but it is rapidly getting more expensive.

I live in 22043, but the part zoned for Shrevewood. I can assure you that this part of the zip code is not ghetto land - I think the only "ghetto" part of this zip code is on your side of Pimmit Rd., both sides of Leesburg Pike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putting Pimmit Hills in 22182 or 22101 would change a whole lot! Pimmit Hills is currently all on its own in 22043, which translates for those in the know to "ghetto land". If it were in McLean or Tysons, it would be treated the same as either in the eyes of the local government and law enforcement. As it is now, it is almost completely ignored, and what goes on in there is accepted. Simple, really.

22043 is also zoned for Haycock/McLean and Shreve/Marshall. I think that PH is the last area where you can buy an affordable SFH close in and zoned for good schools but it is rapidly getting more expensive.

I live in 22043, but the part zoned for Shrevewood. I can assure you that this part of the zip code is not ghetto land - I think the only "ghetto" part of this zip code is on your side of Pimmit Rd., both sides of Leesburg Pike.

I don't live in PH but both areas shreve and PH are very similar. PH new homes sell for more than shreve because of proximity to metros and the tysons new development. Only one side of Pimmit Rd is PH. You sounds unhinged, I was making a point that 22043 covers more areas than PH.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting Pimmit Hills in 22182 or 22101 would change a whole lot! Pimmit Hills is currently all on its own in 22043, which translates for those in the know to "ghetto land". If it were in McLean or Tysons, it would be treated the same as either in the eyes of the local government and law enforcement. As it is now, it is almost completely ignored, and what goes on in there is accepted. Simple, really.

22043 is also zoned for Haycock/McLean and Shreve/Marshall. I think that PH is the last area where you can buy an affordable SFH close in and zoned for good schools but it is rapidly getting more expensive.

I live in 22043, but the part zoned for Shrevewood. I can assure you that this part of the zip code is not ghetto land - I think the only "ghetto" part of this zip code is on your side of Pimmit Rd., both sides of Leesburg Pike.

I don't live in PH but both areas shreve and PH are very similar. PH new homes sell for more than shreve because of proximity to metros and the tysons new development. Only one side of Pimmit Rd is PH. You sounds unhinged, I was making a point that 22043 covers more areas than PH.

I don't live in PH or the Shrevewood area, but you are wrong. The newer homes in 22043 off Shreve or Idylwood zoned for Shrevewood sell for more than new homes in Pimmit Hills. It's just a nicer residential area overall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putting Pimmit Hills in 22182 or 22101 would change a whole lot! Pimmit Hills is currently all on its own in 22043, which translates for those in the know to "ghetto land". If it were in McLean or Tysons, it would be treated the same as either in the eyes of the local government and law enforcement. As it is now, it is almost completely ignored, and what goes on in there is accepted. Simple, really.

22043 is also zoned for Haycock/McLean and Shreve/Marshall. I think that PH is the last area where you can buy an affordable SFH close in and zoned for good schools but it is rapidly getting more expensive.

I live in 22043, but the part zoned for Shrevewood. I can assure you that this part of the zip code is not ghetto land - I think the only "ghetto" part of this zip code is on your side of Pimmit Rd., both sides of Leesburg Pike.

I don't live in PH but both areas shreve and PH are very similar. PH new homes sell for more than shreve because of proximity to metros and the tysons new development. Only one side of Pimmit Rd is PH. You sounds unhinged, I was making a point that 22043 covers more areas than PH.

I don't live in PH or the Shrevewood area, but you are wrong. The newer homes in 22043 off Shreve or Idylwood zoned for Shrevewood sell for more than new homes in Pimmit Hills. It's just a nicer residential area overall.

I am a real estate investor and this statement is incorrect, pimmit hills is experiencing much faster and higher appreciation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putting Pimmit Hills in 22182 or 22101 would change a whole lot! Pimmit Hills is currently all on its own in 22043, which translates for those in the know to "ghetto land". If it were in McLean or Tysons, it would be treated the same as either in the eyes of the local government and law enforcement. As it is now, it is almost completely ignored, and what goes on in there is accepted. Simple, really.

22043 is also zoned for Haycock/McLean and Shreve/Marshall. I think that PH is the last area where you can buy an affordable SFH close in and zoned for good schools but it is rapidly getting more expensive.

I live in 22043, but the part zoned for Shrevewood. I can assure you that this part of the zip code is not ghetto land - I think the only "ghetto" part of this zip code is on your side of Pimmit Rd., both sides of Leesburg Pike.

I don't live in PH but both areas shreve and PH are very similar. PH new homes sell for more than shreve because of proximity to metros and the tysons new development. Only one side of Pimmit Rd is PH. You sounds unhinged, I was making a point that 22043 covers more areas than PH.

I don't live in PH or the Shrevewood area, but you are wrong. The newer homes in 22043 off Shreve or Idylwood zoned for Shrevewood sell for more than new homes in Pimmit Hills. It's just a nicer residential area overall.

I am a real estate investor and this statement is incorrect, pimmit hills is experiencing much faster and higher appreciation.

You can call yourself whatever you want, but the other areas in 22043 are more expensive than Pimmit Hills.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has attended both. They seem to be on pretty much the same level. Lemon Road is smaller but that doesn't translate to smaller class sizes.

Thanks for this, good to hear. This is OP and in the interest of full disclosure we are currently slated for Westgate but will likely move in the next few years - probably out of Pimmit Hills but trying to stay in Mclean/Falls Church. Didn't know if we should try to rush the move before DS starts K to avoid Westgate (either fall of '16 or '17 depending on whether we redshirt - Sept bday). Doesn't sound like that should be an issue... I just feel like Westgate is rarely discussed here.

One thing to add, we thought that moving to McLean elementary schools would be the best thing in the world compared to PH. Honestly there isn't much difference compared to the teachers, students etc... but the class sizes are very large, the schools overcrowded / outdated and if you read about the budget shortfalls the PTA will be shouldering more of the burden because schools with FARMS get more funding. Looking back on it we would've been fine in PH and in fact it might have been better with the new renovations and smaller class sizes. I also think that this area (the world in general) is very diverse and it might have been a good experience for the kids to not be in a 80% white kids bubble.

My point is that the grass appears greener on the other side but overall it wasn't really that different or amazing in comparison.

+10000

Educate yourself *before* you choose. Do *not* buy into the McLean hype, OP.

For example, Marshall HS has IB - if that is something that is important to you, there is absolutely *NO* reason for you to choose elsewhere. There is nothing wrong with Falls Church, it has some well above average choices. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PH is the most amazing location. It is inside the beltway. Soon, it will be impossible to buy there. Houses will be close to $2 million within 5 years. Better get in while you still can!

+1

Pimmit Hills' mere existence really messes with the McLean poster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, Pimmit Hills has lots of people who speak English (thankfully), but it also has enclaves of overcrowded tiny houses filled (overcrowded) with multi-generational Central American family units who do not speak English - or barely speak it. I live in Pimmit Hills too, so I know what I am saying. Among the English speakers, we still have people flying Confederate flags on the flag poles in front of their houses, or who have signs on their sheds and garages saying "If you can read this, you are to f@@@ing close".

Supervisor Foust needs to get in here and bring the quality of Pimmit Hills to the level of Tysons and McLean. The roads in Pimmit Hills are crumbling to the point that mud is seeping through the remaining asphalt. There are cars, trucks, boats, trailers and debris left alongside of the too-narrow roads and front yards. There is even a flop house in the neighborhood. Some police officers refer to many of the residents as Pilmmit Hillbillies.

Nowhere in McLean or Tysons would Foust close an eye to such neglect and abuse. To say it has an adult learning center as if this is a good thing shows you don't understand the problem. Who goes to such a school? See above. It isn't even to the level of a vocational school!

Pimmit Hills is definitely treated by Supervisor Foust like a ghetto, and Supervisor Foust needs to fix it. Now.

Further, Peach Orchard Apartments, which are not a part of Pimmit Hills, but which are separated by only a fence with a permanently open gate, are full of Central Americans. Seemingly hundreds of those children are hoarded through the gate into Pimmit Hills to be loaded onto Fairfax County school buses. Why not pick them up in their own complex?

The solution is that Pimmit Hills must be absorbed by the 22182 or 22101 zipcodes and made a part of Tysons or McLean. Then it would receive the same attention and resources as the surrounding areas. It will never get the investment needed if children are forced to go to school in "economically diverse" schools.

What exactly did you think you were getting when you moved to Pimmit Hills? It doesn't take much effort to recognize it's a bit rough around the edges.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting Pimmit Hills in 22182 or 22101 would change a whole lot! Pimmit Hills is currently all on its own in 22043, which translates for those in the know to "ghetto land". If it were in McLean or Tysons, it would be treated the same as either in the eyes of the local government and law enforcement. As it is now, it is almost completely ignored, and what goes on in there is accepted. Simple, really.

22043 is also zoned for Haycock/McLean and Shreve/Marshall. I think that PH is the last area where you can buy an affordable SFH close in and zoned for good schools but it is rapidly getting more expensive.

I live in 22043, but the part zoned for Shrevewood. I can assure you that this part of the zip code is not ghetto land - I think the only "ghetto" part of this zip code is on your side of Pimmit Rd., both sides of Leesburg Pike.

I don't live in PH but both areas shreve and PH are very similar. PH new homes sell for more than shreve because of proximity to metros and the tysons new development. Only one side of Pimmit Rd is PH. You sounds unhinged, I was making a point that 22043 covers more areas than PH.

I don't live in PH or the Shrevewood area, but you are wrong. The newer homes in 22043 off Shreve or Idylwood zoned for Shrevewood sell for more than new homes in Pimmit Hills. It's just a nicer residential area overall.

I am a real estate investor and this statement is incorrect, pimmit hills is experiencing much faster and higher appreciation.

Pimmit Hills can be experiencing much faster and higher appreciation.

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New houses in Shreve or Idylwood areas may be more expensive than new houses in PH.

These two statements aren't mutually exclusive.

I live in PH, incidentally. I drive through the Shrevewood area to get to my son's preschool, and it IS nicer than PH. I wouldn't pick it over PH, but give credit where it's due.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think Pimmit Hills is treated like some kind of ghetto by the Fairfax County government, particularly Supervisor Foust. If he really cares about Pimmit Hills residents, he should treat Pimmit Hills no differently than he does McLean. Pimmit Hills is full of Central American immigrants, a plurality of whom barely speak English. The roads are neglected, basic services are provided on a barely-there basis.

The biggest issue, which Supervisor Foust must be forced to correct, is that the neighborhood will never get out of ghetto status as long as children whose parents are of higher means are forced to be educated at the level of the lowest common demominator.

Children of Pimmit Hills should be allowed to choose schools in McLean or Tysons, as well as the "economically diverse" public schools they are forced to attend.

The plurality near my home are white. But my requests to supervisor Foust for walking access to one of TWO subways straddling our neighborhood as well as eminent domain for holly Ridge Drive fell on deaf ears. The "plan" was to plow a street and sidewalk thru Westgate. Oops despite being a dumb idea, the school expanded and there's no room. We need to eminent domain holly Ridge drive!!!!!! And why am I surrounded by Metro stations I can't walk to? Wtf?

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Anonymous wrote:I think Pimmit Hills is treated like some kind of ghetto by the Fairfax County government, particularly Supervisor Foust. If he really cares about Pimmit Hills residents, he should treat Pimmit Hills no differently than he does McLean. Pimmit Hills is full of Central American immigrants, a plurality of whom barely speak English. The roads are neglected, basic services are provided on a barely-there basis.

The biggest issue, which Supervisor Foust must be forced to correct, is that the neighborhood will never get out of ghetto status as long as children whose parents are of higher means are forced to be educated at the level of the lowest common demominator.

Children of Pimmit Hills should be allowed to choose schools in McLean or Tysons, as well as the "economically diverse" public schools they are forced to attend.

The plurality near my home are white. But my requests to supervisor Foust for walking access to one of TWO subways straddling our neighborhood as well as eminent domain for holly Ridge Drive fell on deaf ears. The "plan" was to plow a street and sidewalk thru Westgate. Oops despite being a dumb idea, the school expanded and there's no room. We need to eminent domain holly Ridge drive!!!!!! And why am I surrounded by Metro stations I can't walk to? Wtf?

I can't follow this. Are you saying it was more important for Pimmit Hills to have a walking path to the Metro than to have a big enough elementary school for the children who live in the neighborhood?