2022- 2023 school year. I am tired. Teachers are. I left MCPS last year but CES definitely is not just a "lottery." All eligible students are rated. It is hard to believe that parents in the Wooton cluster who can afford the houses believe that it is. |
Curious… why and how does having a 504 affect the thresholds? I assume the 504 has to be for something specific to testing? My kid has a 504 for anxiety but still tests well. Does having a plan change the threshold he’ll need? |
85% and above, that student should be entered in lottery. % could be higher in other clusters. And folks, let's get real, it's not OnLY based on numbers, because if it were, ALL students in Wootton would be entered based on the data people report in these discussions. |
I disagree. In the past 3 years, I’ve had 2 kids put in the lottery and was told teacher input was part of the decision in addition to MAP scores. |
I’m that pp, and yes, this is exactly the scenario I was talking about. The waitpool wasn’t ranked even before all admission was by lottery. After the first round of admissions, students were randomly chosen from the waitpool. My dc wasn’t initially admitted or placed in the waitpool, but our appeal was successful and dc was placed in the waitpool before the second round of acceptances. DC was then randomly selected for admission. |
Per the info provided by DCCAPS & AEI, receiving services frim any of the four categories (IEP, 504, EML and FARMS; no discernment among or within them) results in a reduced MAP-R local norm threshold. From reports to the BOE, it appears that that is 70th %ile (instead of 85th) -- again, locally normed, not the national %ile parents see on the report. The local norm is not disclosed by MCPS central admin, but might be guessed within a school or among similar schools as parents discuss scores of their children, some who were placed in the pool and some who were not. The fact that all services are treated the same, regardless of nature/severity of the underlying condition and likely influence on score, is among the limitations of the paradigm. It would not be feasible to cover every wrinkle, but this and others might feasibly be addressed in a better manner. |
You’re welcome to disagree but it’s been widely publicized that teacher recommendations are by longer part of the equation so you are wrong. |
MCPS actually was clear about this. Pre-COVID, the waitlist was indeed a lottery. |
You are thinking of the SIPPI identification process, not the CES process. SIPPI identification is meaningless. |
It’s a lottery among kids who qualify. You still have to get into the pool. |
That’s correct. The gifted and talented identification includes teacher ratings. CES does not. Jeez, if the teachers don’t even understand the difference what hope do we have! |
It's not as if it made life any harder, given that all that happened was OP's kid transferring out. |
I’m the poster you quoted, and while of course I love that this benefits my kid, that doesn’t seem fair whatsoever. Just because my kid has anxiety, they have a better chance at the CES? Huh. I would not have thought that. |
What's so odd about parents believing MCPS when it describes the process as not involving teacher input? Would you prefer it if parents believed MCPS did other things it gives no indication or visible evidence of doing? What's your opinion of PP's claim of their SC being "blackballed", for example? |
Right. They will tell you no teacher input so parents are not pissed at the teacher when their kid doesn't get in to CES. But teacher input counts, after all, they see your kid for several hours each day, know their classroom academic performances, and peer interactions. |