Equitable access to advanced math

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Anonymous wrote:The basic assumption of the woke behind VMPI is that blacks and Hispanics are not capable of learning of advanced math.

Nothing racist in that.

That’s not the assumption at all.

Equity programs are trying to get **more** kids in advanced/accelerated classes.

This is like saying you're reversing global warming by changing the labels on the thermometers.

If a student's gen ed class suddenly gets falsely labelled "accelerated", it won't help them. But if a student's accelerated class becomes a gen ed class falsely labelled as "accelerated", it will hurt them.

So this helps no one except admin who get to pay themselves on the back for removing disparities (curing global warming).

No, that wasn’t what was being proposed for VA. Pure fiction.

“Equity” programs are trying to get MORE kids in advanced/accelerated classes.

https://e3alliance.org/2022/08/29/call-for-advanced-math-policy-during-texas-88th-legislature/
"E3 Alliance research indicates that taking more advanced math courses in high school highly correlates with students enrolling in a higher education institution, persisting in their studies, and ultimately completing a postsecondary credential"

"we believe the time is now to amplify all students across the state, scaling these tested and refined practices into state policy during the upcoming Texas 88th Legislative Session."

"Our state-level policy priorities include:
*Opt-Out Policy for high-performing students enrolling in accelerated math starting in 6th grade.
*Math All Four Years for high school students."

California used the same language, but the reality was of course very different. These groups have proven their dishonesty time and time again. Spoiler alert: if it was possible to magically make every middle school class more rigorous with no drawbacks, teachers would have done so already.

Agree with you completely. This “equity math” approach failed in California and it failed when tried in MoCo.

The person you are responding to posted the same chart about “E3” or “Equity Cubed” math, which Fairfax County Public Schools are trying to use to eliminate the AAP program.

Placing every child in AAP-level math sounds great, and E3 or “equity cubed” essentially does that.

E3 fits the title of this thread precisely, as it claims to be “equitable access to advanced math.”

However, when every child is placed in AAP-level math through this new E3 program, there is no more AAP.

And accelerated-pace learning under E3? The general-education kids will not learn at the accelerated pace used in AAP, so the whole class will have to slow down to the level appropriate for the slowest learners. Acceleration will be lost, and the kids who would previously have been in AAP will be bored, and likely lose interest in learning.

Sure - E3 claims to have anticipated advanced learners needing more/faster pace. E3 says they plan for occasional “pull outs” to give advanced learned a little extra work once in a while.

Pull-outs don’t work the way a dedicated AAP class works. Advanced learners absolutely will get far less under E3.

If your school adopts E3, it will be best for your child to switch to private school.

What a load of crap.

Fiction for an election year.

According to you previously in this thread, the equity plans would have to be stopped by elected officials overruling what the equity folks want to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need more equitable breeding. Anyone who can’t score a 500 on the math SAT (i.e. half the country) should have voluntary, free access to embryo selection for cognitive ability.

That won't work. Because you also need Math-literate parents who can teach at home. So, any kid that has the Math cognitive gene should also be fostered by parents who are able to teach Math.

In other words, America should be only for the intelligent and rich. We should do reverse immigration and send the poor and stupid to other poor countries.

Or, only give breeding licenses to people who can score well in SAT or another exam.

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Anonymous wrote:The basic assumption of the woke behind VMPI is that blacks and Hispanics are not capable of learning of advanced math.

Nothing racist in that.

That’s not the assumption at all.

Equity programs are trying to get **more** kids in advanced/accelerated classes.

This is like saying you're reversing global warming by changing the labels on the thermometers.

If a student's gen ed class suddenly gets falsely labelled "accelerated", it won't help them. But if a student's accelerated class becomes a gen ed class falsely labelled as "accelerated", it will hurt them.

So this helps no one except admin who get to pay themselves on the back for removing disparities (curing global warming).

No, that wasn’t what was being proposed for VA. Pure fiction.

“Equity” programs are trying to get MORE kids in advanced/accelerated classes.

https://e3alliance.org/2022/08/29/call-for-advanced-math-policy-during-texas-88th-legislature/
"E3 Alliance research indicates that taking more advanced math courses in high school highly correlates with students enrolling in a higher education institution, persisting in their studies, and ultimately completing a postsecondary credential"

"we believe the time is now to amplify all students across the state, scaling these tested and refined practices into state policy during the upcoming Texas 88th Legislative Session."

"Our state-level policy priorities include:
*Opt-Out Policy for high-performing students enrolling in accelerated math starting in 6th grade.
*Math All Four Years for high school students."

California used the same language, but the reality was of course very different. These groups have proven their dishonesty time and time again. Spoiler alert: if it was possible to magically make every middle school class more rigorous with no drawbacks, teachers would have done so already.

Agree with you completely. This “equity math” approach failed in California and it failed when tried in MoCo.

The person you are responding to posted the same chart about “E3” or “Equity Cubed” math, which Fairfax County Public Schools are trying to use to eliminate the AAP program.

Placing every child in AAP-level math sounds great, and E3 or “equity cubed” essentially does that.

E3 fits the title of this thread precisely, as it claims to be “equitable access to advanced math.”

However, when every child is placed in AAP-level math through this new E3 program, there is no more AAP.

And accelerated-pace learning under E3? The general-education kids will not learn at the accelerated pace used in AAP, so the whole class will have to slow down to the level appropriate for the slowest learners. Acceleration will be lost, and the kids who would previously have been in AAP will be bored, and likely lose interest in learning.

Sure - E3 claims to have anticipated advanced learners needing more/faster pace. E3 says they plan for occasional “pull outs” to give advanced learned a little extra work once in a while.

Pull-outs don’t work the way a dedicated AAP class works. Advanced learners absolutely will get far less under E3.

If your school adopts E3, it will be best for your child to switch to private school.

What a load of crap.

Fiction for an election year.

According to you previously in this thread, the equity plans would have to be stopped by elected officials overruling what the equity folks want to do.

That was an extreme hypothetical with other conditions that you failed to include.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: So many trolls here, getting hard to keep track of. Might as well assign names

Biggest troll of them all is the Test Buying troll, who's scared to name the fictional seller. Oh well, trolls have their own fears

I maybe posted on the wrong thread, but IIRC it was discussed by students on a TJ facebook page a few years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The VMPI-troll here on DCUM invariably responds to the fact VMPI would have eliminated almost access to advanced math by blurting out “it’s all lies! racists!!”

But this is her own chart, stating what VMPI sought to do: (luckily s bipartisan coalition, primarily in NOVA, halted VMPI)



Look closely, and decide for yourself who is lying.

Literally nothing about that graphic hints that they were going to "eliminate almost access (sic) to advanced math".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just found out my 99th percentile math kid opted out of being on the track for Geometry in 8th. I'm pissed he was allowed to make that decision without me knowing about it.

I'm pretty sure all rising 7th graders are placed in Math 7 or Math 7 Honors until the SOL scores are back. If he passes advanced on the SOL he can take Algebra in 7th and Geometry in 8th and you'll have to sign off on that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic assumption of the woke behind VMPI is that blacks and Hispanics are not capable of learning of advanced math.

Nothing racist in that.

That’s not the assumption at all.

Equity programs are trying to get **more** kids in advanced/accelerated classes.

This is like saying you're reversing global warming by changing the labels on the thermometers.

If a student's gen ed class suddenly gets falsely labelled "accelerated", it won't help them. But if a student's accelerated class becomes a gen ed class falsely labelled as "accelerated", it will hurt them.

So this helps no one except admin who get to pay themselves on the back for removing disparities (curing global warming).

No, that wasn’t what was being proposed for VA. Pure fiction.

“Equity” programs are trying to get MORE kids in advanced/accelerated classes.

https://e3alliance.org/2022/08/29/call-for-advanced-math-policy-during-texas-88th-legislature/
"E3 Alliance research indicates that taking more advanced math courses in high school highly correlates with students enrolling in a higher education institution, persisting in their studies, and ultimately completing a postsecondary credential"

"we believe the time is now to amplify all students across the state, scaling these tested and refined practices into state policy during the upcoming Texas 88th Legislative Session."

"Our state-level policy priorities include:
*Opt-Out Policy for high-performing students enrolling in accelerated math starting in 6th grade.
*Math All Four Years for high school students."

California used the same language, but the reality was of course very different. These groups have proven their dishonesty time and time again. Spoiler alert: if it was possible to magically make every middle school class more rigorous with no drawbacks, teachers would have done so already.

Agree with you completely. This “equity math” approach failed in California and it failed when tried in MoCo.

The person you are responding to posted the same chart about “E3” or “Equity Cubed” math, which Fairfax County Public Schools are trying to use to eliminate the AAP program.

Placing every child in AAP-level math sounds great, and E3 or “equity cubed” essentially does that.

E3 fits the title of this thread precisely, as it claims to be “equitable access to advanced math.”

However, when every child is placed in AAP-level math through this new E3 program, there is no more AAP.

And accelerated-pace learning under E3? The general-education kids will not learn at the accelerated pace used in AAP, so the whole class will have to slow down to the level appropriate for the slowest learners. Acceleration will be lost, and the kids who would previously have been in AAP will be bored, and likely lose interest in learning.

Sure - E3 claims to have anticipated advanced learners needing more/faster pace. E3 says they plan for occasional “pull outs” to give advanced learned a little extra work once in a while.

Pull-outs don’t work the way a dedicated AAP class works. Advanced learners absolutely will get far less under E3.

If your school adopts E3, it will be best for your child to switch to private school.

What a load of crap.

Fiction for an election year.

You are such a worthless liar, PP.

Stop spreading lies. E3 does NOT push for eliminating accelerated paths - just the opposite. They want more kids taking accelerated math course with policies such as the opt-out policy.

“*Opt-Out Policy for high-performing students enrolling in accelerated math starting in 6th grade.”


https://e3alliance.org/2022/08/29/call-for-advanced-math-policy-during-texas-88th-legislature/
"E3 Alliance research indicates that taking more advanced math courses in high school highly correlates with students enrolling in a higher education institution, persisting in their studies, and ultimately completing a postsecondary credential"

"we believe the time is now to amplify all students across the state, scaling these tested and refined practices into state policy during the upcoming Texas 88th Legislative Session."

"Our state-level policy priorities include:
*Opt-Out Policy for high-performing students enrolling in accelerated math starting in 6th grade.
*Math All Four Years for high school students."

taking advanced math CORRELATES with college enrollment. Probably because smart kids who take advanced math are more likely to get into college. Highly unlikely that you just plop any kid into advanced math and improve their chances of going to colllege.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: So many trolls here, getting hard to keep track of. Might as well assign names

Biggest troll of them all is the Test Buying troll, who's scared to name the fictional seller. Oh well, trolls have their own fears

I maybe posted on the wrong thread, but IIRC it was discussed by students on a TJ facebook page a few years ago.

Curie took out a full page ad even to showcase how a third of TJ's entering class were their clients. Turns out they had been building a question bank by debriefing students for years. Many reported having seen the same questions at the prep center even. I think it was even in the paper back then. Anyway, this is old news, and I'm glad they finally settled on a fair process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: So many trolls here, getting hard to keep track of. Might as well assign names

Biggest troll of them all is the Test Buying troll, who's scared to name the fictional seller. Oh well, trolls have their own fears

I maybe posted on the wrong thread, but IIRC it was discussed by students on a TJ facebook page a few years ago.

Curie took out a full page ad even to showcase how a third of TJ's entering class were their clients. Turns out they had been building a question bank by debriefing students for years. Many reported having seen the same questions at the prep center even. I think it was even in the paper back then. Anyway, this is old news, and I'm glad they finally settled on a fair process.

The individual behind these posts consistently shares this fictitious tale about Curie, seemingly intending to garner negative attention. However, ironically, their efforts seem to have the unintended consequence of actually directing more customers towards Curie rather than driving them away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The basic assumption of the woke behind VMPI is that blacks and Hispanics are not capable of learning of advanced math.

Nothing racist in that.

That’s not the assumption at all.

Equity programs are trying to get **more** kids in advanced/accelerated classes.

This is like saying you're reversing global warming by changing the labels on the thermometers.

If a student's gen ed class suddenly gets falsely labelled "accelerated", it won't help them. But if a student's accelerated class becomes a gen ed class falsely labelled as "accelerated", it will hurt them.

So this helps no one except admin who get to pay themselves on the back for removing disparities (curing global warming).

No, that wasn’t what was being proposed for VA. Pure fiction.

“Equity” programs are trying to get MORE kids in advanced/accelerated classes.

https://e3alliance.org/2022/08/29/call-for-advanced-math-policy-during-texas-88th-legislature/
"E3 Alliance research indicates that taking more advanced math courses in high school highly correlates with students enrolling in a higher education institution, persisting in their studies, and ultimately completing a postsecondary credential"

"we believe the time is now to amplify all students across the state, scaling these tested and refined practices into state policy during the upcoming Texas 88th Legislative Session."

"Our state-level policy priorities include:
*Opt-Out Policy for high-performing students enrolling in accelerated math starting in 6th grade.
*Math All Four Years for high school students."

California used the same language, but the reality was of course very different. These groups have proven their dishonesty time and time again. Spoiler alert: if it was possible to magically make every middle school class more rigorous with no drawbacks, teachers would have done so already.

Agree with you completely. This “equity math” approach failed in California and it failed when tried in MoCo.

The person you are responding to posted the same chart about “E3” or “Equity Cubed” math, which Fairfax County Public Schools are trying to use to eliminate the AAP program.

Placing every child in AAP-level math sounds great, and E3 or “equity cubed” essentially does that.

E3 fits the title of this thread precisely, as it claims to be “equitable access to advanced math.”

However, when every child is placed in AAP-level math through this new E3 program, there is no more AAP.

And accelerated-pace learning under E3? The general-education kids will not learn at the accelerated pace used in AAP, so the whole class will have to slow down to the level appropriate for the slowest learners. Acceleration will be lost, and the kids who would previously have been in AAP will be bored, and likely lose interest in learning.

Sure - E3 claims to have anticipated advanced learners needing more/faster pace. E3 says they plan for occasional “pull outs” to give advanced learned a little extra work once in a while.

Pull-outs don’t work the way a dedicated AAP class works. Advanced learners absolutely will get far less under E3.

If your school adopts E3, it will be best for your child to switch to private school.

What a load of crap.

Fiction for an election year.

According to you previously in this thread, the equity plans would have to be stopped by elected officials overruling what the equity folks want to do.

That was an extreme hypothetical with other conditions that you failed to include.

Sure, sure.

You sound just like all the Lucy Calkins sycophants. These Lucy Calkins ruined the education of millions of American schoolchildren, but all along kept shrieking “the data! the science!” even though it was all falsehoods, intellectual dishonesty, and ineffectiveness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: So many trolls here, getting hard to keep track of. Might as well assign names

Biggest troll of them all is the Test Buying troll, who's scared to name the fictional seller. Oh well, trolls have their own fears

I maybe posted on the wrong thread, but IIRC it was discussed by students on a TJ facebook page a few years ago.

Curie took out a full page ad even to showcase how a third of TJ's entering class were their clients. Turns out they had been building a question bank by debriefing students for years. Many reported having seen the same questions at the prep center even. I think it was even in the paper back then. Anyway, this is old news, and I'm glad they finally settled on a fair process.

The individual behind these posts consistently shares this fictitious tale about Curie, seemingly intending to garner negative attention. However, ironically, their efforts seem to have the unintended consequence of actually directing more customers towards Curie rather than driving them away.

We are in IT field, and recently moved from New Jersey, and have kid starting in 6th grade this fall. Can someone please tell me what Curie is all about in detail? Is it similar to Kumon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: So many trolls here, getting hard to keep track of. Might as well assign names

Biggest troll of them all is the Test Buying troll, who's scared to name the fictional seller. Oh well, trolls have their own fears

I maybe posted on the wrong thread, but IIRC it was discussed by students on a TJ facebook page a few years ago.

Curie took out a full page ad even to showcase how a third of TJ's entering class were their clients. Turns out they had been building a question bank by debriefing students for years. Many reported having seen the same questions at the prep center even. I think it was even in the paper back then. Anyway, this is old news, and I'm glad they finally settled on a fair process.

The individual behind these posts consistently shares this fictitious tale about Curie, seemingly intending to garner negative attention. However, ironically, their efforts seem to have the unintended consequence of actually directing more customers towards Curie rather than driving them away.

We are in IT field, and recently moved from New Jersey, and have kid starting in 6th grade this fall. Can someone please tell me what Curie is all about in detail? Is it similar to Kumon?

More advanced than Kimon. I saw a kid taking geometry in 8th and his Curie classes were trigonometry. They also have a prep class for TJ/AOT/AES that helps with essay writing and the other tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: So many trolls here, getting hard to keep track of. Might as well assign names

Biggest troll of them all is the Test Buying troll, who's scared to name the fictional seller. Oh well, trolls have their own fears

I maybe posted on the wrong thread, but IIRC it was discussed by students on a TJ facebook page a few years ago.

Curie took out a full page ad even to showcase how a third of TJ's entering class were their clients. Turns out they had been building a question bank by debriefing students for years. Many reported having seen the same questions at the prep center even. I think it was even in the paper back then. Anyway, this is old news, and I'm glad they finally settled on a fair process.

The individual behind these posts consistently shares this fictitious tale about Curie, seemingly intending to garner negative attention. However, ironically, their efforts seem to have the unintended consequence of actually directing more customers towards Curie rather than driving them away.

We are in IT field, and recently moved from New Jersey, and have kid starting in 6th grade this fall. Can someone please tell me what Curie is all about in detail? Is it similar to Kumon?

Kumon is more for drilling basic arithmetic, Curie is for advanced math/English/science two grades or so ahead (at least in their signature program: https://curielearning.com/middle-program-7-8, I think they also have summer STEM stuff). There's also RSM and AoPS, but they focus on math. AoPS also has English and science, but they're famous for their math which is the most rigorous out of the 4.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: So many trolls here, getting hard to keep track of. Might as well assign names

Biggest troll of them all is the Test Buying troll, who's scared to name the fictional seller. Oh well, trolls have their own fears

I maybe posted on the wrong thread, but IIRC it was discussed by students on a TJ facebook page a few years ago.

Curie took out a full page ad even to showcase how a third of TJ's entering class were their clients. Turns out they had been building a question bank by debriefing students for years. Many reported having seen the same questions at the prep center even. I think it was even in the paper back then. Anyway, this is old news, and I'm glad they finally settled on a fair process.

The individual behind these posts consistently shares this fictitious tale about Curie, seemingly intending to garner negative attention. However, ironically, their efforts seem to have the unintended consequence of actually directing more customers towards Curie rather than driving them away.

We are in IT field, and recently moved from New Jersey, and have kid starting in 6th grade this fall. Can someone please tell me what Curie is all about in detail? Is it similar to Kumon?

Kumon is more for drilling basic arithmetic, Curie is for advanced math/English/science two grades or so ahead (at least in their signature program: https://curielearning.com/middle-program-7-8, I think they also have summer STEM stuff). There's also RSM and AoPS, but they focus on math. AoPS also has English and science, but they're famous for their math which is the most rigorous out of the 4.

We looked into AoPS and RSM, and went with Curie because it had all three subjects, and it was much cheaper than other two. Yeah, it is two years ahead but with a like-minded peer group and parental support student finds it manageable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: So many trolls here, getting hard to keep track of. Might as well assign names

Biggest troll of them all is the Test Buying troll, who's scared to name the fictional seller. Oh well, trolls have their own fears

I maybe posted on the wrong thread, but IIRC it was discussed by students on a TJ facebook page a few years ago.

Curie took out a full page ad even to showcase how a third of TJ's entering class were their clients. Turns out they had been building a question bank by debriefing students for years. Many reported having seen the same questions at the prep center even. I think it was even in the paper back then. Anyway, this is old news, and I'm glad they finally settled on a fair process.

The individual behind these posts consistently shares this fictitious tale about Curie, seemingly intending to garner negative attention. However, ironically, their efforts seem to have the unintended consequence of actually directing more customers towards Curie rather than driving them away.

We want to thank that person as their creative test buying marketing posts introduced us to Curie, and while DC didnt receive a TJ offer, Curie provided a solid foundation. DC is now in Calc BC at AOS and AP Lang in base school.