Unpopular opinion: DCPS teachers are super well paid!

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Anonymous wrote:(I don't think it was you who said it, but I can scroll through the last pages to find it, and provide an explanation for why it triggered me.)

Here's another quote: "The job simply can’t be done in 40 hours. It can’t. It isn’t set up to be sustainable. What other professional is expected to give 30-35 hours of presentations a week with absolutely no time at work dedicated to preparing these presentations or debriefing after them?"

Let's get real here. The school day is 6.5 hours. Teachers generally are expected to arrive 40 minutes early. Teachers also have a lunch period within this 6.5 hours and a dedicated planning period within this 6.5 hours.

So, at most, teachers are available to teach for 5 hours per day. So, that's at most 25 hours per week, yet the poster exclaims they're supposed to present for 30-35 hours per week.

In the private and public sector, lunch doesn't count as work time, by the way. And neither does commuting, in case people are including that in their calculations.

The day is 7.5 hours for teachers. It is 37.5 hours a week, if you leave on time and arrive on time.

I’m very much tired of posts that can’t simply look up work hours. It’s pathetic. Lunch for ES teachers is 45 minutes. Planning is work, why are you even mentioning that like it’s not work? So you’d like your child’s teacher to just make things up as they go? Sounds great to me! No differentiation, intentional planning/pacing, no looking at data? Sweet. I’ll just sit in front of the class a read from a standardized scripted lesson book. How are my students doing? Well who cares? :roll:

I saw that post and had to remind myself it was written by somebody who doesn’t know. I’m in front of students 28 hours a week. (I snorted when I saw “dedicated planning” above. That’s when I’m covering vacancies.) I do nearly all my grading and prep at home.

As you admit, you’re in front of students 28 hours per week. Yet your fellow teacher implored us all that it is so hard to do 30-35 hours of presentations per week. Do you see how this is gaslighting parents?

Do you see how there are differences among the jobs of teachers? Some teachers are being bullied at their schools and do not get full planning, so they are teaching. But planning is part of teaching. I’m afraid that there are people who try to pull things out of their a** and not plan. I feel sorry for people who don’t think that the time it takes to create something should not count as work.
Crying gaslight just because you were caught saying something nasty doesn’t work. Just admit you do not like teachers and do not feel like we should ever complain or want better for ourselves. That’s fine, I can do that with my colleagues. Because when teachers feel safe and satisfied it will only benefit the students. There is no way that satisfaction in employment would hurt a business.

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Anonymous wrote:Again with the "woe is me" act. You're not alone. You're not special. This notion you have that the rest of us wake up, kick our heels up on our desks, and watch the clock until 5pm rolls around is mistaken.

Nasty, nasty, nasty.

If you hate teachers, home school.

No one said they hate teachers. They said DC teachers are well paid. And several DC teachers agreed with that.

Others that don't agree are explaining why teaching is apparently harder than any other job, even if they do get two months off, plus multiple other breaks.

I AM one of the teachers who agreed we are paid well. ‘Super well paid’ implies it’s too much, OPs replies have also been nasty.
Send me the posts that have said ‘teaching is harder than any job’

We have said it’s a hard job, thus a shortage is present even in DCPS where we are paid well.

Teachers work on average 196 days per year minimum or more. The average American works 260 so looks like those breaks in between do not make a difference. Yes we have 2 months of unpaid time where we can choose not to work- if we make enough.
I am not saying that is not a plus but sometimes it’s not if you want to make more money in your regular job.

Teachers in DCPS are allowed to say our jobs are hard, we do not need to be gaslit by random parents in a forum. You may say your job is hard too, no one to my knowledge has stated, ‘your job is easy compared to being a teacher.’ Your job may be harder. But until you work for DCPS for a few years at a title 1 school you will not know the toxic environment teachers may go through. I will not know the things you may go through but I’d never gaslight police officers for example and say ‘well you can get up to a month of paid leave and 2 weeks of holiday pay, also you get a 25k sign on bonus and can retire in only 25 years.’ That discredits how stressful their jobs could be, depending on their stations. It discredits the risks that come with their jobs that are obvious and the ones the average person may not know about.

Thank you! You are amazing.

The question was whether DCPS teachers are paid well, and the bottom line is that comparing a 10-month salary to a 12-month salary is apples and oranges. If teachers want to make the point that their salaries are too low, it is disingenuous not to acknowledge that part of the reason they appear lower is because of the unpaid summers off.

To the question of whether DCPS teachers are paid relatively well compared to other locations, I think that has been established. Teachers may feel that it is still not enough, but objectively, yes, DCPS teachers are highly paid compared to their peers.

Why are you stating only half of the point of this post?
Which was to say teachers do not deserve appreciation in the form of gifts. If parents WANT to give them then why not?
Also the post said 9 months, which is untrue. The post said MOST teachers make 130k, which is untrue. The average is 90k.

So the bottom line is not simply are we paid well? Reading these comments the bottom line really seems to be ‘do teachers deserve it?’ ‘Is teaching even really a hard job?’ And ‘teachers do not deserve to say their job is hard because of XYZ.’
It is clear many non teacher parents do not think so. Even though you all do not know what working for DCPS is like and the full scope of the various types of teachers jobs and responsibilities.

OP's point was that parents face pressure to give gifts under the guise that teachers are poorly paid. So that is what is being refuted. Many have come on this thread to say they make far less than DCPS teachers and don't want to feel pressured to give extra if the underlying justification is that teachers don't make enough. Giving gifts should be, as you said, because parents want to, not because they feel compelled. I appreciate the teachers that said they don't expect gifts anyhow, and that simply a note of gratitude is welcome.

I need to meet these teachers who demands gifts, they must have multiple children and be a single parent to demand such things. Even then it’s not professional.

Also 90k is average pay for those who have a degree or a certain trade in DC. Yes, many people make way less but many also make way more.

90k in a job with the other benefits of a DCPS teaching job is NOT average in DC. That's what many of you don't seem to understand. Many of us make about the same as DCPS teachers but with limited time off and no pension.

There are plenty of openings. If the benefits package is appealing to you, then apply to teach. Help reverse the growing teacher shortage.

Here’s the link that will get you started:
https://dcps.dc.gov/page/teacher-certification-and-licensing

You don’t need a teaching license to apply. Take the Praxis and enroll in a teacher preparation program.

It’s time for people on this thread to stop talking and take action. If you want the same benefits as a teacher, then what’s stopping you?

I don't want to be a teacher. I like my job, which has other benefits that keep me there. Every job has its pros and cons. The whole point of this thread is that actually teacher salaries in DCPS are more of a pro than a con because they are much higher than teacher salaries elsewhere, and higher than many other jobs right here in DC. It's like teachers are afraid if they acknowledge this truth, it will mean they have no standing to complain about classroom conditions or anything else. That's not true. You can acknowledge the pay is high while still wanting more pay or better conditions. Just be aware that not everyone will be sympathetic if they are working many more hours all year round for less pay and fewer benefits (pensions, health insurance) than DCPS teachers have. And especially if they are parents who make less but are constantly getting pressured to chip in for gift cards and supplies.

And yet the high pay (that most teachers don’t actually receive) still isn’t enough to keep teachers here.

It’s almost like teachers know the benefits don’t outweigh the extremely poor working conditions.

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Look, if two professionals get paid 75k annually, but one of them gets 6 weeks in the summer when they don't have to work and the other professional does not, then those 6 weeks are "time off" as far as I'm concerned.

That's the point. If I make the exact same amount as a DCPS teacher with a similar level of seniority and education, but I work all year and the teacher gets a long break in the summer, that teacher can tell me "it's an UNPAID summer" all she wants, but my observation is that it's a nice perk of her job that I do not receive.

Consider that teachers in this thread have complained that some people making similar salaries to them get WFH and do not have to be "on stage" as much as a teacher has to be. This is true! This is one of the perks of a job that is mostly computer based as opposed to interpersonal, as teaching is. I have a job like this and agree, it is a perk.

Now, I could sit here and explain to you how being full-time WFH is actually not a perk, how I have to pay for my own computer and all my own office supplies, I have to troubleshoot my own tech issues, plus my coworkers and clients assume that because I work from home, I am available to work at all times day and night, weekday and weekend. And that's true. Being full-time remote has pluses and minuses. But it would be disingenuous to tell someone who has a rigid in person schedule that actually the perk of remote work isn't a perk and how dare you refer to it that way. Come on. Obviously it's a perk. I'm still in my pajamas and I'm posting on DCUM at 10:30 in the morning, in part because I work remotely and it offers me certain freedom I wouldn't otherwise have.

Well, having summer, spring, and winter breaks as a teacher are ALSO a perk, when you are making a livable annual salary. If DCPS teachers were making 45k a year, and genuinely had no choice but to take on second jobs during these breaks in the school year, I might feel differently. They aren't. Most DCPS teachers do not have second jobs. They enjoy this perk of their jobs. Which is good! Enjoy it! But don't sit there and try to convince me that it's not real.

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I just want to point out that OP, and most of us posting in this thread never asserted that teaching is easy, or that teachers do not earn the good salaries DCPS pays them. Those are insults and attitudes that are being *assumed* by some of the teachers posting, I am guessing because you have heard them before. But that's not the gist of this thread, at all.

I also assume that some teaching jobs are worse than others, and if a teacher is being bullied or harassed at work, no amount money is going to make that acceptable. As someone who has experienced workplace bullying and harassment, I have nothing but empathy for anyone going through it. It's not about money at all, it's about human dignity, and no one should have to endure it.

But that's a separate issues than: does DCPS pay teachers fairly well compared to both industry standards and compared to other public interest jobs that require a similar level of experience and education?

The answer is yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, if two professionals get paid 75k annually, but one of them gets 6 weeks in the summer when they don't have to work and the other professional does not, then those 6 weeks are "time off" as far as I'm concerned.

That's the point. If I make the exact same amount as a DCPS teacher with a similar level of seniority and education, but I work all year and the teacher gets a long break in the summer, that teacher can tell me "it's an UNPAID summer" all she wants, but my observation is that it's a nice perk of her job that I do not receive.

Consider that teachers in this thread have complained that some people making similar salaries to them get WFH and do not have to be "on stage" as much as a teacher has to be. This is true! This is one of the perks of a job that is mostly computer based as opposed to interpersonal, as teaching is. I have a job like this and agree, it is a perk.

Now, I could sit here and explain to you how being full-time WFH is actually not a perk, how I have to pay for my own computer and all my own office supplies, I have to troubleshoot my own tech issues, plus my coworkers and clients assume that because I work from home, I am available to work at all times day and night, weekday and weekend. And that's true. Being full-time remote has pluses and minuses. But it would be disingenuous to tell someone who has a rigid in person schedule that actually the perk of remote work isn't a perk and how dare you refer to it that way. Come on. Obviously it's a perk. I'm still in my pajamas and I'm posting on DCUM at 10:30 in the morning, in part because I work remotely and it offers me certain freedom I wouldn't otherwise have.

Well, having summer, spring, and winter breaks as a teacher are ALSO a perk, when you are making a livable annual salary. If DCPS teachers were making 45k a year, and genuinely had no choice but to take on second jobs during these breaks in the school year, I might feel differently. They aren't. Most DCPS teachers do not have second jobs. They enjoy this perk of their jobs. Which is good! Enjoy it! But don't sit there and try to convince me that it's not real.

And somehow we are ALL STILL QUITTING. The caps are very intentional. You are looking from the outside and seeing benefits. We are actually living the job and saying it isn’t what you think it is.

Hence the shortage.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that OP, and most of us posting in this thread never asserted that teaching is easy, or that teachers do not earn the good salaries DCPS pays them. Those are insults and attitudes that are being *assumed* by some of the teachers posting, I am guessing because you have heard them before. But that's not the gist of this thread, at all.

I also assume that some teaching jobs are worse than others, and if a teacher is being bullied or harassed at work, no amount money is going to make that acceptable. As someone who has experienced workplace bullying and harassment, I have nothing but empathy for anyone going through it. It's not about money at all, it's about human dignity, and no one should have to endure it.

But that's a separate issues than: does DCPS pay teachers fairly well compared to both industry standards and compared to other public interest jobs that require a similar level of experience and education?

The answer is yes.

Agree with you that the pay is "fair" but DCPS teachers are not "super well paid" which is how this thread started.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, if two professionals get paid 75k annually, but one of them gets 6 weeks in the summer when they don't have to work and the other professional does not, then those 6 weeks are "time off" as far as I'm concerned.

That's the point. If I make the exact same amount as a DCPS teacher with a similar level of seniority and education, but I work all year and the teacher gets a long break in the summer, that teacher can tell me "it's an UNPAID summer" all she wants, but my observation is that it's a nice perk of her job that I do not receive.

Consider that teachers in this thread have complained that some people making similar salaries to them get WFH and do not have to be "on stage" as much as a teacher has to be. This is true! This is one of the perks of a job that is mostly computer based as opposed to interpersonal, as teaching is. I have a job like this and agree, it is a perk.

Now, I could sit here and explain to you how being full-time WFH is actually not a perk, how I have to pay for my own computer and all my own office supplies, I have to troubleshoot my own tech issues, plus my coworkers and clients assume that because I work from home, I am available to work at all times day and night, weekday and weekend. And that's true. Being full-time remote has pluses and minuses. But it would be disingenuous to tell someone who has a rigid in person schedule that actually the perk of remote work isn't a perk and how dare you refer to it that way. Come on. Obviously it's a perk. I'm still in my pajamas and I'm posting on DCUM at 10:30 in the morning, in part because I work remotely and it offers me certain freedom I wouldn't otherwise have.

Well, having summer, spring, and winter breaks as a teacher are ALSO a perk, when you are making a livable annual salary. If DCPS teachers were making 45k a year, and genuinely had no choice but to take on second jobs during these breaks in the school year, I might feel differently. They aren't. Most DCPS teachers do not have second jobs. They enjoy this perk of their jobs. Which is good! Enjoy it! But don't sit there and try to convince me that it's not real.

And somehow we are ALL STILL QUITTING. The caps are very intentional. You are looking from the outside and seeing benefits. We are actually living the job and saying it isn’t what you think it is.

Hence the shortage.

Much of the shortage is due to less people entering the profession and not only to those who are quitting. Either way, the job is clearly less attractive for those who could enter the profession and for those who are already in it. IMO, no salary is going to make up for the working conditions of teaching as it exists today especially an urban city like DC. Teaching as it exists will never have the freedom that nearly all other professional jobs are starting to have.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, if two professionals get paid 75k annually, but one of them gets 6 weeks in the summer when they don't have to work and the other professional does not, then those 6 weeks are "time off" as far as I'm concerned.

That's the point. If I make the exact same amount as a DCPS teacher with a similar level of seniority and education, but I work all year and the teacher gets a long break in the summer, that teacher can tell me "it's an UNPAID summer" all she wants, but my observation is that it's a nice perk of her job that I do not receive.

Consider that teachers in this thread have complained that some people making similar salaries to them get WFH and do not have to be "on stage" as much as a teacher has to be. This is true! This is one of the perks of a job that is mostly computer based as opposed to interpersonal, as teaching is. I have a job like this and agree, it is a perk.

Now, I could sit here and explain to you how being full-time WFH is actually not a perk, how I have to pay for my own computer and all my own office supplies, I have to troubleshoot my own tech issues, plus my coworkers and clients assume that because I work from home, I am available to work at all times day and night, weekday and weekend. And that's true. Being full-time remote has pluses and minuses. But it would be disingenuous to tell someone who has a rigid in person schedule that actually the perk of remote work isn't a perk and how dare you refer to it that way. Come on. Obviously it's a perk. I'm still in my pajamas and I'm posting on DCUM at 10:30 in the morning, in part because I work remotely and it offers me certain freedom I wouldn't otherwise have.

Well, having summer, spring, and winter breaks as a teacher are ALSO a perk, when you are making a livable annual salary. If DCPS teachers were making 45k a year, and genuinely had no choice but to take on second jobs during these breaks in the school year, I might feel differently. They aren't. Most DCPS teachers do not have second jobs. They enjoy this perk of their jobs. Which is good! Enjoy it! But don't sit there and try to convince me that it's not real.

And somehow we are ALL STILL QUITTING. The caps are very intentional. You are looking from the outside and seeing benefits. We are actually living the job and saying it isn’t what you think it is.

Hence the shortage.

I reject the idea that teachers are "ALL STILL QUITTING." My kid's Title 1 DCPS elementary has great teachers retention. I have only heard of 3 teachers leaving in the last few years, and one of them went to another Title 1 in DCPS, just in a different part of town.

There are schools in DC with high turnover and they tend to have other issues -- either bad or unsteady administration, be located in parts of town that few people want to travel to for work, or have serious behavioral issues. Most non-Title 1 schools in DC have pretty steady teaching staffs, especially at the elementary level (MS and HS pose different challenges).

In other words, the turnover in DCPS is not equally distributed across the district, and is not even equally distributed across Title 1 schools. There are schools in DC with leadership and cultural issues, and teaching at those schools sucks, no matter how much they pay you, because they have poor organization. But that doesn't mean that all DCPS teachers are on the verge of quitting. Most DCPS teachers I know personally (about a dozen people between 3 schools, two of which are Title 1) seem to have pretty high work satisfaction. They have their complaints about Central Office and, often, issues with facilities (which are not managed by DCPS). But otherwise I'd say they are among the happier mid-career professionals I know. I am guessing the very respectable pay, coupled with some nice fringe benefits (summers off, a schedule that is very amenable to being a parent or having other interests/hobbies), and the fact that they all seem to genuinely like the actual job of teaching (none of them would complain about having to be up in front of students every day, given that this is sort of the fundamental nature of teaching and they knew that going in). I know far more disgruntled non-profit professionals than I do teachers. I think the job security and retirement benefits coupled with the time off help a lot -- a lot of other people in DC making similar salaries in helping professions don't have that kind of security or down time, and therefore are much more likely to burn out or throw in the towel and move to a corporate job.

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I find this discussion alarming. There is so much people don't understand about the reality on the ground.

For example, did you know that a recent survey showed over half of recent entrants are thinking about at least leaving the current employer by 2027? More than a quarter in some places are thinking about leaving the profession entirely.

Another data point shows over 40% of these workers are thinking about or definitely leaving their chosen field.

I just don't understand how all of these arm-chair bloviators can talk about teaching is and how extreme the desire there is to leave the field without understanding all of this...

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Anonymous wrote:I find this discussion alarming. There is so much people don't understand about the reality on the ground.

For example, did you know that a recent survey showed over half of recent entrants are thinking about at least leaving the current employer by 2027? More than a quarter in some places are thinking about leaving the profession entirely.

Another data point shows over 40% of these workers are thinking about or definitely leaving their chosen field.

I just don't understand how all of these arm-chair bloviators can talk about teaching is and how extreme the desire there is to leave the field without understanding all of this...

Well played, PP. Though most people won't bother to click those links or put in the mental effort necessarily to understand the point.

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I wonder how much of the leaving is just about 20somethings and their approach to any job market. So many are preparing to make a change within 5 years.

And I’ll say unkind things too; teaching is often something younger people do who didn’t do so great academically. So if you aren’t well prepared for the workplace and you take a highly demanding job, you are probably on a short fuse.

Further there are a certain number of people who are just teaching temporarily even in their own planning.

And on the summer thing. Yes you don’t get paid. Your yearly salary is pretty good for 5 years out of college and you can spend two months doing something that is not your job. Appalachian trail. Pool time. It’s not within the realm of the possible for most American workers. It’s really normal if you want to take two weeks off to get looked at like a delinquent by American employers. Three weeks and they want to fire you whether you have the leave accrued or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, if two professionals get paid 75k annually, but one of them gets 6 weeks in the summer when they don't have to work and the other professional does not, then those 6 weeks are "time off" as far as I'm concerned.

That's the point. If I make the exact same amount as a DCPS teacher with a similar level of seniority and education, but I work all year and the teacher gets a long break in the summer, that teacher can tell me "it's an UNPAID summer" all she wants, but my observation is that it's a nice perk of her job that I do not receive.

Consider that teachers in this thread have complained that some people making similar salaries to them get WFH and do not have to be "on stage" as much as a teacher has to be. This is true! This is one of the perks of a job that is mostly computer based as opposed to interpersonal, as teaching is. I have a job like this and agree, it is a perk.

Now, I could sit here and explain to you how being full-time WFH is actually not a perk, how I have to pay for my own computer and all my own office supplies, I have to troubleshoot my own tech issues, plus my coworkers and clients assume that because I work from home, I am available to work at all times day and night, weekday and weekend. And that's true. Being full-time remote has pluses and minuses. But it would be disingenuous to tell someone who has a rigid in person schedule that actually the perk of remote work isn't a perk and how dare you refer to it that way. Come on. Obviously it's a perk. I'm still in my pajamas and I'm posting on DCUM at 10:30 in the morning, in part because I work remotely and it offers me certain freedom I wouldn't otherwise have.

Well, having summer, spring, and winter breaks as a teacher are ALSO a perk, when you are making a livable annual salary. If DCPS teachers were making 45k a year, and genuinely had no choice but to take on second jobs during these breaks in the school year, I might feel differently. They aren't. Most DCPS teachers do not have second jobs. They enjoy this perk of their jobs. Which is good! Enjoy it! But don't sit there and try to convince me that it's not real.

And somehow we are ALL STILL QUITTING. The caps are very intentional. You are looking from the outside and seeing benefits. We are actually living the job and saying it isn’t what you think it is.

Hence the shortage.

I reject the idea that teachers are "ALL STILL QUITTING." My kid's Title 1 DCPS elementary has great teachers retention. I have only heard of 3 teachers leaving in the last few years, and one of them went to another Title 1 in DCPS, just in a different part of town.

There are schools in DC with high turnover and they tend to have other issues -- either bad or unsteady administration, be located in parts of town that few people want to travel to for work, or have serious behavioral issues. Most non-Title 1 schools in DC have pretty steady teaching staffs, especially at the elementary level (MS and HS pose different challenges).

In other words, the turnover in DCPS is not equally distributed across the district, and is not even equally distributed across Title 1 schools. There are schools in DC with leadership and cultural issues, and teaching at those schools sucks, no matter how much they pay you, because they have poor organization. But that doesn't mean that all DCPS teachers are on the verge of quitting. Most DCPS teachers I know personally (about a dozen people between 3 schools, two of which are Title 1) seem to have pretty high work satisfaction. They have their complaints about Central Office and, often, issues with facilities (which are not managed by DCPS). But otherwise I'd say they are among the happier mid-career professionals I know. I am guessing the very respectable pay, coupled with some nice fringe benefits (summers off, a schedule that is very amenable to being a parent or having other interests/hobbies), and the fact that they all seem to genuinely like the actual job of teaching (none of them would complain about having to be up in front of students every day, given that this is sort of the fundamental nature of teaching and they knew that going in). I know far more disgruntled non-profit professionals than I do teachers. I think the job security and retirement benefits coupled with the time off help a lot -- a lot of other people in DC making similar salaries in helping professions don't have that kind of security or down time, and therefore are much more likely to burn out or throw in the towel and move to a corporate job.

So your perception of the reality at ONE school should be used to inform a discussion about the teacher shortage generally? No ma'am. The shortage exists overall whether you see it at your school or not. Ask your school's special educators what their case loads are like.

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I don't think shortages are unique to the teaching profession. There's a lots of shortages in lots of fields right now. The unemployment rate is incredibly low.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how much of the leaving is just about 20somethings and their approach to any job market. So many are preparing to make a change within 5 years.

And I’ll say unkind things too; teaching is often something younger people do who didn’t do so great academically. So if you aren’t well prepared for the workplace and you take a highly demanding job, you are probably on a short fuse.

Further there are a certain number of people who are just teaching temporarily even in their own planning.

And on the summer thing. Yes you don’t get paid. Your yearly salary is pretty good for 5 years out of college and you can spend two months doing something that is not your job. Appalachian trail. Pool time. It’s not within the realm of the possible for most American workers. It’s really normal if you want to take two weeks off to get looked at like a delinquent by American employers. Three weeks and they want to fire you whether you have the leave accrued or not.

Yes, this. Many people are looking to change jobs/industries, especially in their 20s-30s.

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Anonymous wrote:I find this discussion alarming. There is so much people don't understand about the reality on the ground.

For example, did you know that a recent survey showed over half of recent entrants are thinking about at least leaving the current employer by 2027? More than a quarter in some places are thinking about leaving the profession entirely.

Another data point shows over 40% of these workers are thinking about or definitely leaving their chosen field.

I just don't understand how all of these arm-chair bloviators can talk about teaching is and how extreme the desire there is to leave the field without understanding all of this...

Well played, PP. Though most people won't bother to click those links or put in the mental effort necessarily to understand the point.

These links are about lawyers and doctors. Maybe they would have less burn out if they got summers off like teachers!