40 yr old Kim Kardashian fails first year legal test

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think her endeavors rise to the level of being called admirable. Her advocacy on behalf of the wrongfully convicted or persons deserving of clemency, sure - that’s admirable. But it isn’t as if she’s actually going to practice law and immerse herself in the hard slog of post conviction legal advocacy - she wanted the bar admission for the ego trip of it, and bragging rights. So no, I don’t think that’s admirable - it’s just vanity.

She should stick to being famous for her shallowness and using her voice to help out the lawyers in the slog to get good results for some convicts who deserve it. Or, she should really commit to getting an education the old fashioned way and a law degree and bar admission the same way. But that’s too much work and too boring.

Disagree. You're not accurately describing what she's done and what she's doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The baby bar is challenging because it tests people on all the legal knowledge of the first year of law school, but without a formal education. That’s tough because it’s entirely up to the individual to structure their learning and synthesize all of it at once for a single exam. Very different than actual law school, where there is a lot more structure and support and your knowledge is tested on discrete subjects on separate tests over the course of the year. Kim’s track is definitely the harder way to gain legal knowledge.

I mean, I’m not going to lose sleep over this. She’s fine, and things will work out for her whether she retakes it or quits. The stakes are very low. I failed the California bar the first time I took it and I survived that with far fewer resources. But what she’s doing is objectively hard and I do think it’s admirable that she’s obviously working really hard at it. I feel for her.

I agree that it’s admirable in the sense that she’s applying herself in a substantive way that most celebrities don’t, but this is perhaps a stretch. If it’s such a harder route, Kim could always go the “easier” route of going to law school. I bet I could have passed the baby bar before I went to law school if I had unlimited resources and a year to study.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No clue how anyone can do well without actually going to law school.

I went to law school right after college and passed the bar. I would never attempt to sit for another bar in my 40s. I’m amazed when my friends who are my age have moved and studied for another bar. I don’t know anyone who attempted the CA bar in their 40s or without going to an accredited school.

I did at 45. I swore I would never do it again after passing the first time, but circumstances dictated.... You know what you do? Youtube that $h!t. Law professors everywhere are uploading their review classes to youtube, and I am not kidding when I say I YouTubed my way through my second bar exam. Passed working full time with a kid.

Wow. That’s impressive! Well done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No clue how anyone can do well without actually going to law school.

I went to law school right after college and passed the bar. I would never attempt to sit for another bar in my 40s. I’m amazed when my friends who are my age have moved and studied for another bar. I don’t know anyone who attempted the CA bar in their 40s or without going to an accredited school.

I did at 45. I swore I would never do it again after passing the first time, but circumstances dictated.... You know what you do? Youtube that $h!t. Law professors everywhere are uploading their review classes to youtube, and I am not kidding when I say I YouTubed my way through my second bar exam. Passed working full time with a kid.

Congrats! What state?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No clue how anyone can do well without actually going to law school.

I went to law school right after college and passed the bar. I would never attempt to sit for another bar in my 40s. I’m amazed when my friends who are my age have moved and studied for another bar. I don’t know anyone who attempted the CA bar in their 40s or without going to an accredited school.

I did at 45. I swore I would never do it again after passing the first time, but circumstances dictated.... You know what you do? Youtube that $h!t. Law professors everywhere are uploading their review classes to youtube, and I am not kidding when I say I YouTubed my way through my second bar exam. Passed working full time with a kid.

Congrats! What state?

Colorado.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No clue how anyone can do well without actually going to law school.

I went to law school right after college and passed the bar. I would never attempt to sit for another bar in my 40s. I’m amazed when my friends who are my age have moved and studied for another bar. I don’t know anyone who attempted the CA bar in their 40s or without going to an accredited school.

I did at 45. I swore I would never do it again after passing the first time, but circumstances dictated.... You know what you do? Youtube that $h!t. Law professors everywhere are uploading their review classes to youtube, and I am not kidding when I say I YouTubed my way through my second bar exam. Passed working full time with a kid.

Wow. That’s impressive! Well done.

What's interesting is that things that didn't make sense the first time around clicked the second because I had more life experience. You could do it again if needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The baby bar is challenging because it tests people on all the legal knowledge of the first year of law school, but without a formal education. That’s tough because it’s entirely up to the individual to structure their learning and synthesize all of it at once for a single exam. Very different than actual law school, where there is a lot more structure and support and your knowledge is tested on discrete subjects on separate tests over the course of the year. Kim’s track is definitely the harder way to gain legal knowledge.

I mean, I’m not going to lose sleep over this. She’s fine, and things will work out for her whether she retakes it or quits. The stakes are very low. I failed the California bar the first time I took it and I survived that with far fewer resources. But what she’s doing is objectively hard and I do think it’s admirable that she’s obviously working really hard at it. I feel for her.

I agree that it’s admirable in the sense that she’s applying herself in a substantive way that most celebrities don’t, but this is perhaps a stretch. If it’s such a harder route, Kim could always go the “easier” route of going to law school. I bet I could have passed the baby bar before I went to law school if I had unlimited resources and a year to study.

Well, to be fair, she was also managing a billion dollar brand, raising 4 kids alone while her erratic husband ran for president and tweeted videos of himself pissing on music awards, and then negotiating a divorce between her billionaire self and her batsh-t insane billionaire husband. I'd say she had her hands full.

It's good that Kim is trying to legitimize nontraditional routes to professional work. She could easily have done an independent study at a university but many people are trying to break the stranglehold that higher education has on social mobility (which helps people in higher classes and harms people in lower classes), and she seems to be part of that trend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The baby bar is challenging because it tests people on all the legal knowledge of the first year of law school, but without a formal education. That’s tough because it’s entirely up to the individual to structure their learning and synthesize all of it at once for a single exam. Very different than actual law school, where there is a lot more structure and support and your knowledge is tested on discrete subjects on separate tests over the course of the year. Kim’s track is definitely the harder way to gain legal knowledge.

I mean, I’m not going to lose sleep over this. She’s fine, and things will work out for her whether she retakes it or quits. The stakes are very low. I failed the California bar the first time I took it and I survived that with far fewer resources. But what she’s doing is objectively hard and I do think it’s admirable that she’s obviously working really hard at it. I feel for her.

I agree that it’s admirable in the sense that she’s applying herself in a substantive way that most celebrities don’t, but this is perhaps a stretch. If it’s such a harder route, Kim could always go the “easier” route of going to law school. I bet I could have passed the baby bar before I went to law school if I had unlimited resources and a year to study.

Well, to be fair, she was also managing a billion dollar brand, raising 4 kids alone while her erratic husband ran for president and tweeted videos of himself pissing on music awards, and then negotiating a divorce between her billionaire self and her batsh-t insane billionaire husband. I'd say she had her hands full.

It's good that Kim is trying to legitimize nontraditional routes to professional work. She could easily have done an independent study at a university but many people are trying to break the stranglehold that higher education has on social mobility (which helps people in higher classes and harms people in lower classes), and she seems to be part of that trend.

Her hands are only as full as she wants them to be. She has as much staff to tend to her every need as she wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She spends 98% of the time on social media, what'd you expect? A vanity clown show. Kinda hard to pass the bar exam when you are spending 3 hours at the pool trying to get the perfect duck lips bikini shot.

She didn’t do too bad considering the CA bar exam is the hardest in the nation.

She got like a 474 and it’s a 520 to pass? She did that while managing multiple businesses, four kids during a pandemic, and a divorce from a husband going through a mental breakdown.

She can outsource with all of that ^^^

I don't mean to pike it on, but she's still way off the mark with a 474/520...do you really want (or pay for) a lawyer who barely passed the bar exam? Might as well just get a public defender.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She spends 98% of the time on social media, what'd you expect? A vanity clown show. Kinda hard to pass the bar exam when you are spending 3 hours at the pool trying to get the perfect duck lips bikini shot.

She didn’t do too bad considering the CA bar exam is the hardest in the nation.

She got like a 474 and it’s a 520 to pass? She did that while managing multiple businesses, four kids during a pandemic, and a divorce from a husband going through a mental breakdown.

She can outsource with all of that ^^^

I don't mean to pike it on, but she's still way off the mark with a 474/520...do you really want (or pay for) a lawyer who barely passed the bar exam? Might as well just get a public defender.

… you ask your lawyer how well they did on the bar when you decide to hire them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The baby bar is challenging because it tests people on all the legal knowledge of the first year of law school, but without a formal education. That’s tough because it’s entirely up to the individual to structure their learning and synthesize all of it at once for a single exam. Very different than actual law school, where there is a lot more structure and support and your knowledge is tested on discrete subjects on separate tests over the course of the year. Kim’s track is definitely the harder way to gain legal knowledge.

I mean, I’m not going to lose sleep over this. She’s fine, and things will work out for her whether she retakes it or quits. The stakes are very low. I failed the California bar the first time I took it and I survived that with far fewer resources. But what she’s doing is objectively hard and I do think it’s admirable that she’s obviously working really hard at it. I feel for her.

I agree that it’s admirable in the sense that she’s applying herself in a substantive way that most celebrities don’t, but this is perhaps a stretch. If it’s such a harder route, Kim could always go the “easier” route of going to law school. I bet I could have passed the baby bar before I went to law school if I had unlimited resources and a year to study.

Well, to be fair, she was also managing a billion dollar brand, raising 4 kids alone while her erratic husband ran for president and tweeted videos of himself pissing on music awards, and then negotiating a divorce between her billionaire self and her batsh-t insane billionaire husband. I'd say she had her hands full.

It's good that Kim is trying to legitimize nontraditional routes to professional work. She could easily have done an independent study at a university but many people are trying to break the stranglehold that higher education has on social mobility (which helps people in higher classes and harms people in lower classes), and she seems to be part of that trend.

I think that while Kim certainly has a lot on her plate she has way more support than most people. Her raising 4 kids alone with an army of nannies is not the same thing as people like the poster above who YouTube her way to passing the bar. I think that Kim is very hardworking but is likely not particularly bright. She didn’t go to college and not because she was running some sort of big business at that point. I am willing to bet that most lawyers who get barred this route have at least gone to college. I know that people would say that she can’t be dumb because she’s so successful but I actually think her success and the success of her sisters is because of Kris Jenner. If you watched their show Kim and Kylie were the ones that seemed to listen to Kris the most and low and behold are also the most successful. The other thing to keep in mind is that California and New York are widely considered to be the hardest bar exams in the United States. Her concern for helping others seems genuine but this does seem like a convenient rebrand as she ages out of being the sexy it girl. I would bet money that she remarries again and after that we never hear anything else about the California bar ever again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She spends 98% of the time on social media, what'd you expect? A vanity clown show. Kinda hard to pass the bar exam when you are spending 3 hours at the pool trying to get the perfect duck lips bikini shot.

She didn’t do too bad considering the CA bar exam is the hardest in the nation.

She got like a 474 and it’s a 520 to pass? She did that while managing multiple businesses, four kids during a pandemic, and a divorce from a husband going through a mental breakdown.

She can outsource with all of that ^^^

I don't mean to pike it on, but she's still way off the mark with a 474/520...do you really want (or pay for) a lawyer who barely passed the bar exam? Might as well just get a public defender.

… you ask your lawyer how well they did on the bar when you decide to hire them?

Not to mention, you usually don't even know. When I took it the first time, the bar review prep course kept the mantra going - get out of the mindset of law school where you have to do well. Shoot for minimal competency. You don't get extra points for passing with flying colors. You just need to pass. So yes, actually, barely passing is probably what most of us do!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She spends 98% of the time on social media, what'd you expect? A vanity clown show. Kinda hard to pass the bar exam when you are spending 3 hours at the pool trying to get the perfect duck lips bikini shot.

She didn’t do too bad considering the CA bar exam is the hardest in the nation.

She got like a 474 and it’s a 520 to pass? She did that while managing multiple businesses, four kids during a pandemic, and a divorce from a husband going through a mental breakdown.

She can outsource with all of that ^^^

I don't mean to pike it on, but she's still way off the mark with a 474/520...do you really want (or pay for) a lawyer who barely passed the bar exam? Might as well just get a public defender.

… you ask your lawyer how well they did on the bar when you decide to hire them?

Really??^^ Asking about (or trying to verify) a bar exam is the last thing on my mind when trying to scramble to find/hire a lawyer....presumably bc you're in a stressful time sensitive legal situation, right?

[Anonymous]

Who couldn't have predicted this from the get-go. She's deluded and painfully stupid. Zero chance she will ever pass the bar. She's a washed up aging prostitute who's trying to pivot to "serious" in her old age. Her entire mentally ill family needs to just go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She spends 98% of the time on social media, what'd you expect? A vanity clown show. Kinda hard to pass the bar exam when you are spending 3 hours at the pool trying to get the perfect duck lips bikini shot.

She didn’t do too bad considering the CA bar exam is the hardest in the nation.

She got like a 474 and it’s a 520 to pass? She did that while managing multiple businesses, four kids during a pandemic, and a divorce from a husband going through a mental breakdown.

California bar is not THAT hard. It's just hard for people who don't go to law school, and that lowers their pass rate.