Does DACA and open immigration = leaders giving up on urban & flyover USA?

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Anonymous wrote:They are the hope of Latino America - but only if they return to their home country.

Enough with the Obama open-borders policy. Time to end it.

What you aren't getting is that for all of these kids, the US is their home country. Imagine, your parents came here when you were a toddler. You have never been to any country outside the US, ever. You went to school here and work here, and in some cases, died in service to the USA. What is their home country?

Reagan and Bush had compassion for these people. Christians are supposed to have compassion. Where is it for this finite group of people who are generally accretive to the US Economy?

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I visit rural America to see family twice a year. Their (your) anger is misplaced. You need to be angry at corporations who do not want open offices in rural America because of the lack of workers. I don't know what you expect. I move for work, maybe they should too?!

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There are very loud people, groups, media in support of DACA. It's political and people thinking with their hearts NOT their heads. If 887,000 /31 is about 28,600 per birth year. Does DACA expand for people born after the period that qualified? NO, finite group of people

Does the USA open up to total benefits for any brought here? Given the DACA age group many are now parents of anchors. People can't express themselves against DACA or they are considered racist. The Dems are CASA and DACA and that Clinton HB1 video? You are making false assumptions

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There should be both immigrants and a prosperous middle America. Only small minds see one as a detriment to the other!

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Anonymous wrote:I got a great idea. Let's spend billions on educating lots of youn motivated talent and then deport them!

If they're so educated and motivated, wouldn't Mexico and Central America be clamoring to repatriate them? Instead I saw the former president of Mexico was lobbying for them to stay in the US. Seemed weird, to me.

If I was Mexican potus, and these are talented American-educated youth, I'd propose housing stipend and relocation expenses, etc. Something bold.

Duh, Mexico is doing that.

https://www.usmexicofound.org/programs/daca-dreamers-delegations-to-mexico/


It makes no sense to educate our best and brightest and deport them.

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Anonymous wrote:I got a great idea. Let's spend billions on educating lots of youn motivated talent and then deport them!

If they're so educated and motivated, wouldn't Mexico and Central America be clamoring to repatriate them? Instead I saw the former president of Mexico was lobbying for them to stay in the US. Seemed weird, to me.

If I was Mexican potus, and these are talented American-educated youth, I'd propose housing stipend and relocation expenses, etc. Something bold.

Duh, Mexico is doing that.

https://www.usmexicofound.org/programs/daca-dreamers-delegations-to-mexico/


It makes no sense to educate our best and brightest and deport them.

Other than for adventure, why would these people want to go live in a country where they don't know the culture, and maybe not even the language. The US is their home.

I came here as a toddler (yes, legally). I'd love to go back to my parents' home country for a visit, but I wouldn't ever want to live there. The US is my country, such as it is now. These Dreamers are no different to me in that they came as children. They know no other home.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be both immigrants and a prosperous middle America. Only small minds see one as a detriment to the other!

Here is the list of 2016 Fiscal Year employers and HB1's. Critical persons serving as physicians in isolated /underserved communities? No. That would be a minority if any. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/Immigration%20Forms%20Data/BAHA/h-1b-2016-employers.pdf

I see a preponderance of bachelor's degrees as the highest level of attained education. Guess what? Young persons with STEM, IT degrees who are US citizens have to compete with them for jobs. Cognizant and Tata etc bring in over 50,000 BS/BA alone annually and sub=contract so you don't know where these persons are working. Some of the others might represent the people who leave them and just stay under a direct employer/employee relationship.

The USA has schools , colleges, and universities. We have young people. There is no reason for this. Why should our own people have difficulty finding positions ? Does TATA recruit US citizens graduating with IT/STEM? No-that exists merely as a funnel for India and some other countries.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be both immigrants and a prosperous middle America. Only small minds see one as a detriment to the other!

Here is the list of 2016 Fiscal Year employers and HB1's. Critical persons serving as physicians in isolated /underserved communities? No. That would be a minority if any. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/Immigration%20Forms%20Data/BAHA/h-1b-2016-employers.pdf

I see a preponderance of bachelor's degrees as the highest level of attained education. Guess what? Young persons with STEM, IT degrees who are US citizens have to compete with them for jobs. Cognizant and Tata etc bring in over 50,000 BS/BA alone annually and sub=contract so you don't know where these persons are working. Some of the others might represent the people who leave them and just stay under a direct employer/employee relationship.

The USA has schools , colleges, and universities. We have young people. There is no reason for this. Why should our own people have difficulty finding positions ? Does TATA recruit US citizens graduating with IT/STEM? No-that exists merely as a funnel for India and some other countries.

DP.. then why did Trump increase H2B visas? Do we have a shortage of low skilled workers or something? And interestingly, his resorts only hire H2B visa workers from Eastern Europe. I guess the hundreds of African Americans who applied to work at his resorts didn't have "special skills".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We broke our lower and working classes so we decided to import new ones.

Well they never did pull themselves up by the bootstraps so we are moving on to people who will.

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So now the right is breaking with American tradition and wanting to hold children responsible for the actions of their parents.

What does that say about Eric, Ivanka and Donnie Jr?

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Anonymous wrote:Essentially our leaders, both political and multi-nationals, don't believe urban and flyover masses have no potential for upward mobility. Their theory is we have to bring in a new wave of immigrants who have more ambition and hunger to succeed?

Money and resources aren't infinite--any dollar we spend on immigrants is a dollar we're not spending on new schools, training, scholarships, etc. in/for urban & flyover Americans. There's a genuine media, political, and multi national obsession in this country with immigration, but zero obsession with urban or flyover America, outside of perhaps gun violence in inner-cities.

Do you mean "leaders don't believe urban and flyover masses have any potential"?

If I understand your premise correctly, you're about 60-75 years too late with your concern about investment in human capital. When women and minorities started into and up within the workforce, around WWII, the priority shifted from finding and training the best and brightest to maintaining middle and lower classes. The bottleneck on upward mobility has been squeezing shut for decades.

Schools, training, scholarships, etc. cost money and public funds have gone from a trickle to a dribble to a slow drip. But you should really be looking at leaders at state and local levels - especially in flyover states (koff koff - especially red states) where education hovers near the bottom of spending priorities. Look at how hostile our culture is to teachers. Any wonder the quality of teaching is so low?

The most recent statistics show that the middle class is shrinking because the upper class is expanding. Families are moving up.

+1 and the lower class too has been growing. From the 70's, the biggest jump has been the middle upper/upper class. I know for my family this has been the case. We were lower class in the 70's. Now, most of my siblings and I are upper middle.

Upper middle/upper has grown by 7 points.
Lower/lower midde has grown by 4 points
Middle class has shrunk by 11 points

The largest growth is the "Highest" bracket.

Those brackets are a bit skewed.

Well, I'm not quite sure what source that wiki graph came from, but it still shows that the upper/upper middle has shot up much more in the past few decades than any other class.

NP. Actually that's not what it shows. The last graph shows that the people st the top have accumulated large amounts of wealth while everyone else has stayed relatively static. It doesn't show movement at all between classes.

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Anonymous wrote:There should be both immigrants and a prosperous middle America. Only small minds see one as a detriment to the other!

Here is the list of 2016 Fiscal Year employers and HB1's. Critical persons serving as physicians in isolated /underserved communities? No. That would be a minority if any. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/Immigration%20Forms%20Data/BAHA/h-1b-2016-employers.pdf

I see a preponderance of bachelor's degrees as the highest level of attained education. Guess what? Young persons with STEM, IT degrees who are US citizens have to compete with them for jobs. Cognizant and Tata etc bring in over 50,000 BS/BA alone annually and sub=contract so you don't know where these persons are working. Some of the others might represent the people who leave them and just stay under a direct employer/employee relationship.

The USA has schools , colleges, and universities. We have young people. There is no reason for this. Why should our own people have difficulty finding positions ? Does TATA recruit US citizens graduating with IT/STEM? No-that exists merely as a funnel for India and some other countries.

DP.. then why did Trump increase H2B visas? Do we have a shortage of low skilled workers or something? And interestingly, his resorts only hire H2B visa workers from Eastern Europe. I guess the hundreds of African Americans who applied to work at his resorts didn't have "special skills".

The HB1, 2,3 should all be abolished. As far as I'm concerned the exploding chemical plant in Houston built on a flood plan could be rebuilt on good land. I'll find some. How about Baltimore?

Plus it has a big deep water port. When was the last time that flooded? FYI AA young adults with STEM degrees and good GPA's even have trouble getting jobs due to the HB1 deluge. And that is complete BS.

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Anonymous wrote:I got a great idea. Let's spend billions on educating lots of youn motivated talent and then deport them!

About 9% of the first generation Hispanics get college degrees. Their performance on educational assessments (NAEP, SAT etc) is woeful. I don't think "educated, motivated talent" is a good term to use when describing them.

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Anonymous wrote:Essentially our leaders, both political and multi-nationals, don't believe urban and flyover masses have no potential for upward mobility. Their theory is we have to bring in a new wave of immigrants who have more ambition and hunger to succeed?

Money and resources aren't infinite--any dollar we spend on immigrants is a dollar we're not spending on new schools, training, scholarships, etc. in/for urban & flyover Americans. There's a genuine media, political, and multi national obsession in this country with immigration, but zero obsession with urban or flyover America, outside of perhaps gun violence in inner-cities.

Do you mean "leaders don't believe urban and flyover masses have any potential"?

If I understand your premise correctly, you're about 60-75 years too late with your concern about investment in human capital. When women and minorities started into and up within the workforce, around WWII, the priority shifted from finding and training the best and brightest to maintaining middle and lower classes. The bottleneck on upward mobility has been squeezing shut for decades.

Schools, training, scholarships, etc. cost money and public funds have gone from a trickle to a dribble to a slow drip. But you should really be looking at leaders at state and local levels - especially in flyover states (koff koff - especially red states) where education hovers near the bottom of spending priorities. Look at how hostile our culture is to teachers. Any wonder the quality of teaching is so low?

The most recent statistics show that the middle class is shrinking because the upper class is expanding. Families are moving up.

+1 and the lower class too has been growing. From the 70's, the biggest jump has been the middle upper/upper class. I know for my family this has been the case. We were lower class in the 70's. Now, most of my siblings and I are upper middle.

Upper middle/upper has grown by 7 points.
Lower/lower midde has grown by 4 points
Middle class has shrunk by 11 points

The largest growth is the "Highest" bracket.

Those brackets are a bit skewed.

Well, I'm not quite sure what source that wiki graph came from, but it still shows that the upper/upper middle has shot up much more in the past few decades than any other class.

NP. Actually that's not what it shows. The last graph shows that the people st the top have accumulated large amounts of wealth while everyone else has stayed relatively static. It doesn't show movement at all between classes.

To summarize: the richest have gotten a lot richer in the US. The rest of the brackets have basically stayed the same.

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