Proximity Percentage Set-Aside Preference Inquiry [PK/Elementary]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

You think charter schools will make choices that make themselves look worse?? Do you also need proof that water is wet?

So the city has handed over decisional authority to these charters to determine what is good for them?

Sorry - again, not convincing. To whom are these charters ultimately accountable? Themselves or the city / communities in which they locate.

There has been an explosion of charters in some areas, and certain requirements would not stop that. And many of these charters have established themselves with very little real community outreach. Way way less outreach than DCPS would engage.

Water being wet has nothing to do with this. There are always adjustments that can be made to a system.

Yes, the city handed over authority to the charter schools via the DC public charter school board, which exercises limited oversight and almost no central planning. It's the small government wet dream of free markets solving education problems.

I really don't care about convincing you. Go read the laws. If you want to change the laws then talk to the council and/or Congress. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

You think charter schools will make choices that make themselves look worse?? Do you also need proof that water is wet?

So the city has handed over decisional authority to these charters to determine what is good for them?

Sorry - again, not convincing. To whom are these charters ultimately accountable? Themselves or the city / communities in which they locate.

There has been an explosion of charters in some areas, and certain requirements would not stop that. And many of these charters have established themselves with very little real community outreach. Way way less outreach than DCPS would engage.

Water being wet has nothing to do with this. There are always adjustments that can be made to a system.

Yes, the city handed over authority to the charter schools via the DC public charter school board, which exercises limited oversight and almost no central planning. It's the small government wet dream of free markets solving education problems.

I really don't care about convincing you. Go read the laws. If you want to change the laws then talk to the council and/or Congress. Good luck with that.

Again, nothing is not subject to change. You can trot out all the "but the charters want ...." and the "but the East of the River" and the "but the law says"....

The charter system was established 20 years ago and now now much different than what is has been. Yes, charters have brought much positive change. At the same time, they impose other challenges and difficulties.

Some will push for change, and some will defend the status quo.

[Anonymous]

Also, the DCPSCB is a city agency - not a private entity.

[Anonymous]

you're so cute

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

You think charter schools will make choices that make themselves look worse?? Do you also need proof that water is wet?

So the city has handed over decisional authority to these charters to determine what is good for them?

Sorry - again, not convincing. To whom are these charters ultimately accountable? Themselves or the city / communities in which they locate.

There has been an explosion of charters in some areas, and certain requirements would not stop that. And many of these charters have established themselves with very little real community outreach. Way way less outreach than DCPS would engage.

Water being wet has nothing to do with this. There are always adjustments that can be made to a system.

Yes, the city handed over authority to the charter schools via the DC public charter school board, which exercises limited oversight and almost no central planning. It's the small government wet dream of free markets solving education problems.

I really don't care about convincing you. Go read the laws. If you want to change the laws then talk to the council and/or Congress. Good luck with that.

Again, nothing is not subject to change. You can trot out all the "but the charters want ...." and the "but the East of the River" and the "but the law says"....

The charter system was established 20 years ago and now now much different than what is has been. Yes, charters have brought much positive change. At the same time, they impose other challenges and difficulties.

Some will push for change, and some will defend the status quo.

You are right. The PP above you is also right - if you want to "push for change" then the Mayor and the Council are the ones to lobby for a neighborhood preference to charters. Many already have. In fact, Bowser campaigned on it as the Ward 4 rep seeking the position of Mayor. It got her votes. But now, governing the whole city where the majority of public school children are low income, she has a different constituency. You should also consider the power of sibling preference at the HRCs. Unless the council also wants to break up families then there will be very few seats left for non-siblings even with a neighborhood preference.

[Anonymous]

I think a narrow proximity preference -- like the one the mayor proposed -- is reasonable. I understand the complaints of families whose neighborhood school was closed and now they have a charter they can't attend in its place (and they have to drive their kids to their in bounds DCPS). I also understand that it could decrease congestion to have more kids walking to school. But I would want to keep the proximity preference narrow, otherwise it could increase the economic segregation we already see in DCPS.

[Anonymous]

It will only happen for the KIPPs and such EOTR. The whole point of charters is to create opportunities for students with limited options. Rocketship or Kipp makes a deal with DCPS to offer proximity pref, because they get a closed school.

That's fine with probably everybody.

What will never ever happen is proximity pref for CM, YY, LAMB, etc. The schools don't want to give it, and their communities don't want to give it, and the city doesn't want them to give it.

There are a handful of whiners on DCUM who think they should have it, but it will never, ever happen.

[Anonymous]

If you want to move next to a school that you like and get in, then DCPS is for you. This isn't complicated. Nobody's going to give you preference for IT just because you found a house in Edgewood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I reject your premise; no one in their right mind would choose Sela over TR!!!

Also, there is definitely no one who gets into TR but not Sela! Give me a break! TR is one of the most applied to schools in the lottery; Sela has gone through their entire waitlist sometimes!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would offer it only to families displaced when a neighborhood school is closed and turned over to a charter. Aside from that, I think it further advantages those who can afford to choose where they live.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This question has been asked and answered a hundred times. Proximity preference for charters will only happen east of the river (Wards 7 & 8). None of the HRCs EOTP (YY, LAMB, 2R, IT, etc....) have anything to gain by offering proximity preference.

It. won't. happen.

Let. it. go.

So the decisions are being made by what the charter stands to gain or lose? The community isn't a consideration in the equation?

Not convincing..

You think charter schools will make choices that make themselves look worse?? Do you also need proof that water is wet?

So the city has handed over decisional authority to these charters to determine what is good for them?

Sorry - again, not convincing. To whom are these charters ultimately accountable? Themselves or the city / communities in which they locate.

There has been an explosion of charters in some areas, and certain requirements would not stop that. And many of these charters have established themselves with very little real community outreach. Way way less outreach than DCPS would engage.

Water being wet has nothing to do with this. There are always adjustments that can be made to a system.

This has been answered a thousand times. It is not beneficial to offer proximity preference to HRCs. You want proximity preference to KIPP in Ward 7? You got it. You want proximity preference for LAMB or IT? Fat chance. The WL is longer than the nerds camping out for a new Star Wars film and neither the city nor the school has any reason to let you cut to the front just because you live near the theater. It only limits the chances of the kids EOTR, and there are more of them than there are of you.

There will be no proximity prefs for HRCs. If you want proximity pref, move to Anacostia.

It's funny that you think this is such a written in stone matter.

The East of the River trope is pretty rich too. SLED numbers show that there is less than 3% EOTR kids in sought after Ward 4 & 5 charters. Sounds righteous for you to say - but in reality, pretty empty.

And whenever anybody say "you should move..... for ....." I say "f*€% off"

Get over yourself.. You sound very much like somebody who wouldn't follow their own advice.

Once you think swearing is how to make a point? You've lost your credibility. You are without argument. You're barely stumbling towards the logical fallacy of ad hominem.

Shorter you: "I AM ANGRY SO (*(%T&_W($*&T*W_!!!!

Grow up and then you'll be worth paying attention to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I reject your premise; no one in their right mind would choose Sela over TR!!!

Also, there is definitely no one who gets into TR but not Sela! Give me a break! TR is one of the most applied to schools in the lottery; Sela has gone through their entire waitlist sometimes!

Good for you, hate cheerleader! Does this have to do with TR? No, not at all! Let me help you finish what you started.

YOU: Go Sela Haters! Go Anti-Semites! Go, Fight, Win! Who can ignore and try to hijack the point of this thread? WE can! WHO can? WE can! And this is a great way to hijack a thread for our purposes! Yaaaaay....US! WOO!

ME: Enough sunlight = sooner or later is a disinfectant. Or so, one hopes.

[Anonymous]

Proximity pref for EOTR only. Nobody else wants it. (The schools that <i>could</i> use it in Wards 4 & 5 won't choose to do so because it doesn't benefit them at all.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I reject your premise; no one in their right mind would choose Sela over TR!!!

Also, there is definitely no one who gets into TR but not Sela! Give me a break! TR is one of the most applied to schools in the lottery; Sela has gone through their entire waitlist sometimes!

Good for you, hate cheerleader! Does this have to do with TR? No, not at all! Let me help you finish what you started.

YOU: Go Sela Haters! Go Anti-Semites! Go, Fight, Win! Who can ignore and try to hijack the point of this thread? WE can! WHO can? WE can! And this is a great way to hijack a thread for our purposes! Yaaaaay....US! WOO!

ME: Enough sunlight = sooner or later is a disinfectant. Or so, one hopes.

anti-Semites? Is Sela a Jewish school?

You sounds a bit nuts. (no offense to legitimately crazy people)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I reject your premise; no one in their right mind would choose Sela over TR!!!

Also, there is definitely no one who gets into TR but not Sela! Give me a break! TR is one of the most applied to schools in the lottery; Sela has gone through their entire waitlist sometimes!

Good for you, hate cheerleader! Does this have to do with TR? No, not at all! Let me help you finish what you started.

YOU: Go Sela Haters! Go Anti-Semites! Go, Fight, Win! Who can ignore and try to hijack the point of this thread? WE can! WHO can? WE can! And this is a great way to hijack a thread for our purposes! Yaaaaay....US! WOO!

ME: Enough sunlight = sooner or later is a disinfectant. Or so, one hopes.

anti-Semites? Is Sela a Jewish school?

You sounds a bit nuts. (no offense to legitimately crazy people)

Sela is an English-Hebrew dual language school. Can't be Jewish as that would be a public religious school.