Thank you for this, OP! Really interesting stuff. Does your school claim to have holistic admissions? Thinking to your point 1 there. |
Thank you, this gives me hope. We are now in the waiting game and two of the ones DC applied are "crapshoot" schools and one is "most selective" but he should get in based on his stats. His LDs are fairly profound and does well with technology in addition to years of hard work to get to the level he currently is. He has stated that one of the crapshoot schools and the "most selective" are his top two choices (finally, he would not differentiate from 6 in the fall). My main worry is being able to get electronic/ PDF versions of textbooks in a timely manner. That is something his HS has had difficulty -even though they know in February what books they need in September. (But that is not your expertise). |
One of which is having the correct race.. |
Yes, I see how it can be perceived as such. None of us think the admissions process is perfect. There are many flaws, and that's why we work together with our peers to find better ways in making the process equitable.
Tough question. I think the answer to this really depends on the person reading the application. In my personal situation, I know what depression and anxiety are like (was a psychology major), so I feel a level of sympathy. But I do know many people who perceive anyone with a mental illness as being weak or unfit for a rigorous college education. Unfortunately, despite all the training we get, we are built with different worldviews and will react to certain things differently. My encouragement would be to avoid the topic. I know it's likely an important one and one that highlights how much she has overcome, but I feel it would be better addressed by a letter of recommendation than by her directly.
Yes, we read all the interviews we receive from our official sources from the applicants who're not pre-rejected.
Very young for an admissions officer. I do know that there was a SAT on a 1600 scale before the old SAT; I may have misread the comment. |
OP - the issues with the concordance tables have been a frequent topic of discussion. There are some people who theorize that the lower new SAT scores can be explained by all the "top" students opting to take the old SAT or the ACT, and diluting the talent pool of students who took the new SAT. Is there anything you've seen in the data that would lend credence to this theory? Can you comment on the relative numbers of students who submitted old SAT vs new SAT vs ACT? |
Thank you, OP. The SAT chart is very interesting. Do you happen to know where we could find one for the ACT? |
OP I know you don't want to reveal the college but given the stats you mention in your opener, I'd say it was a bit of a crappy school, maybe 3rd or 4th tier.
I don't know that the admissions office practices of such a place are as helpful as knowing the practices of the more competitive schools, in that you should always aim high and fall on a lower branch, not aim low and fall on the ground. |
How it really work is you get binned you get 5 Asians who play the violin you get 5 innercity kids you get 5 people from Chicago suburbs you get 5 people from rural America Yes there are thousands of people with near perfect scores and gpas. you could easily fill the class with them. you can't you bin them all and then randomly take 5 people who are great test takers |
Or a new test is harder to cram and prep - so the preppers are not in the mix yet. |
I'm new to the new SAT too, so anyone should feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The test you took had two sections, verbal and math. Max score was a 1600; it was also a noticeably difficult test. The verbal section had these things called analogies in addition to the standard passages and vocab questions. The next version of the SAT added a writing portion, changed verbal to critical reading, and removed analogies. On each section, you could score a 800; for a maximum of a 2400. Essays were read by two people and assigned a score of 1-6: 12 being the maximum. The newest SAT has combined writing and reading into one section called Evidence Based Reading and Writing; math is now split into a calculator and non-calculator section. The max score is a 1600. Passages and questions are more focused on data interpretation, and you get a number of subscores on your performance in science/math tasks, grammar tasks, etc. The vocab section from reading is gone. The essay is more like an AP Lang FRQ, 50 minutes in length, and you get scores of 1-4 across three dimensions from 2 readers for a maximum score of a 24. The PSAT is scored out of 760 on each section instead of 800 and supposedly a direct measure of the score you should expect on the newest SAT. |
Practices are so different by school that an experienced admissions person would never put out that original post without cautioning that this was only how they did things at ONE school.
You don't mention recalculating GPAs at all. That's insane if you are getting apps from DMV. Are you feeling marginalized at work? Is they why you've come here to invited these people to worship at your alter of knowledge? |
I checked our admissions language and see no explicit claim of holistic admissions; I don't use the terminology myself, but I do mention that we consider a wide variety of factors beyond SAT and GPA.
It's all up in the air given how new the SAT is. I think these tests can be coached and there simply isn't that much material for the new SAT compared to the old one, and it does feel like a much difference test, so scores seem to be lower. There is a huge database of released old SATs. One thing we have noticed is that most applicants from boarding schools are submitting ACTs or old SATs, so there could be a socioeconomic factor too. Difficult to draw many conclusions. We have noticed across peer schools that new SAT scores tend to be lower than old SAT scores in our admit pools. |
A bit more difficult to find. We have a tabulated source at the office that I can't disclose. Here's one for African Americans: https://forms.act.org/newsroom/data/2013/pdf/profile/AfricanAmerican.pdf |
OP describes what I have heard about several schools in the upper tiers. It is very detailed and fairly accurate and logical. All schools make the GAP adjustment; the OP was obviously talking about GPA after the equalizations. In later posts she said she is probably forgetting something that is so commonplace and usual - the GPA equalization is probably one of those. |
Just curious, because we're years away--how would you treat an adopted Asian child? Her name would not suggest she's Asian, but presumably you ask for a picture. (And I have no idea what she'll choose to put down as her race when she's ready to apply.) We are, to put it mildly, not tiger parents, and I worry this will hurt her! |