People who disagree with me politically . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:are very quickly going to say something incredibly offensive to me so I better end the conversation now.

Once I was talking to a seemingly-normal, well-to-do acquaintance of mine (from church, no less!) and the subject got to politics and she said

"I don't want my tax money going to some poor black guy swinging on his porch."

After I picked up my jaw from the floor, I found I had lost a lot of respect for her and did not want to develop a friendship. I told her "That's sort of racist..." and her response was

"I'm not a racist! I know lots of black professionals!"

The conversation went downhill from there.

+1

I wish the country would go back to the days when it was impolite to discuss religion or politics openly. I'm tired of being disappointed in people a la the above scenario.

[Anonymous]

. . . are wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I worked on the Hill for a decade, so as a rule, I don't talk politics with people outside of DC. I find most don't get the process, which is how I come at it. So for example when someone suggests Paul Ryan wants to push grandma off the cliff, I'm reminded of the United States Senate and how a bill becomes a law. Something my opposites don't often take into account.

When I see that it's unavoidable, I try to look for common ground, which can be ellusive when someone's so wedded to their positions, and secretely thinks I'm racist because I'm not voting for the incumbant.

Sure, it takes Congress to pass a law changing Medicare, but I notice you don't argue with the fact that Paul Ryan *wants* to push grandma off the cliff.

Thanks Captain Obvious, did I need to be more in depth with how the back and forth of how my conversation's occur, really?

Seriously, does your kind think that Republicans don't have wives, mothers and daughters? Or do you think we put them into fiscal buckets to protect only them, at the expense of others. I honestly can't relate to your rational.

Everyone in history had wives and daughters. That hasn't historically proven to be much of a guarantee of protection. Sorry, but that sounds like the "I know plenty of black people" defense.

OK, let me revise why I don't like to debate those of the opposite party/belief. Because they love to use the tactic of demanding that I disprove negatives. "How do you know Romney won't do that!" Pointless nit-picking if you ask me.

You seem to have missed something. No one believes that Paul Ryan will literally throw grandmothers off of cliffs. They believe his Medicare plan will dump future healthcare cost increases onto the elderly to pay themselves. This isn't a hypothetical/ prove a negative. Hîs plan is out there and we are free to debate its economic implications.

[Anonymous]

And republican policies toward women are a matter of legislative record, not hypotheticals.

[Anonymous]

anyone that annoyingly partisan is someone I don't want to be friends with.

I'm an independent, I try to think through each issue reasonably. my experience tells me that less govt is mostly a good thing, so I tend to vote Republican. but I also support higher taxes to cut the deficit, amnesty/immigration reform and a pro science platform. hardly Republican views. but I also think unions are mostly a negative and that democrats promote racial strife, so those are negatives against the left. I'm probably a Tom Davis Republican or a Mark Warner Democrat, whatever that is ...

so yeah, if someone is not my friend because I try to take a reasoned view on each issue, then f them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:anyone that annoyingly partisan is someone I don't want to be friends with.

I'm an independent, I try to think through each issue reasonably. my experience tells me that less govt is mostly a good thing, so I tend to vote Republican. but I also support higher taxes to cut the deficit, amnesty/immigration reform and a pro science platform. hardly Republican views. but I also think unions are mostly a negative and that democrats promote racial strife, so those are negatives against the left. I'm probably a Tom Davis Republican or a Mark Warner Democrat, whatever that is ...

so yeah, if someone is not my friend because I try to take a reasoned view on each issue, then f them

I disagree with many of your positions, but I find them reasonable and reasonably stated. I'm glad you're on DCUM, and if the friends this thread referred to were like you, my answer would be "are interesting to talk to."

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are Unemployed liberals or government workers

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Anonymous wrote:are Unemployed liberals or government workers

Well that means you believe in choice, contraception, national healthcare, and amnesty for undocumented immigrants. Because I am none of those things and according to your logic, you do not disagree with me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:anyone that annoyingly partisan is someone I don't want to be friends with.

I'm an independent, I try to think through each issue reasonably. my experience tells me that less govt is mostly a good thing, so I tend to vote Republican. but I also support higher taxes to cut the deficit, amnesty/immigration reform and a pro science platform. hardly Republican views. but I also think unions are mostly a negative and that democrats promote racial strife, so those are negatives against the left. I'm probably a Tom Davis Republican or a Mark Warner Democrat, whatever that is ...

so yeah, if someone is not my friend because I try to take a reasoned view on each issue, then f them

+1

Interestingly, yesterday I changed my party affiliation to independent (from Dem) largely around economic issues. I can't be a Republican, but neither can I embrace the fiscal naivete of my former party. I'll confess the rabid Dems on dcum helped me decide!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1

Interestingly, yesterday I changed my party affiliation to independent (from Dem) largely around economic issues. I can't be a Republican, but neither can I embrace the fiscal naivete of my former party. I'll confess the rabid Dems on dcum helped me decide!

Which gains you one thing: the right to have no choice in who runs in the November elections. You showed them!

[Anonymous]

PS to 22:21: When the Democratic candidate is slightly more leftish in the future, you can say "I made that!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PS to 22:21: When the Democratic candidate is slightly more leftish in the future, you can say "I made that!"

when I realized it had been several years since I agreed on much with my Dem friends I knew it was time to leave..frankly with a sense of relief. but it may have been just as much disgust with both parties

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Anonymous wrote:anyone that annoyingly partisan is someone I don't want to be friends with.

I'm an independent, I try to think through each issue reasonably. my experience tells me that less govt is mostly a good thing, so I tend to vote Republican. but I also support higher taxes to cut the deficit, amnesty/immigration reform and a pro science platform. hardly Republican views. but I also think unions are mostly a negative and that democrats promote racial strife, so those are negatives against the left. I'm probably a Tom Davis Republican or a Mark Warner Democrat, whatever that is ...

so yeah, if someone is not my friend because I try to take a reasoned view on each issue, then f them

+1

Interestingly, yesterday I changed my party affiliation to independent (from Dem) largely around economic issues. I can't be a Republican, but neither can I embrace the fiscal naivete of my former party. I'll confess the rabid Dems on dcum helped me decide!

But who will you vote for?

Not choosing is still choosing.

[Anonymous]

are entitled to their opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:anyone that annoyingly partisan is someone I don't want to be friends with.

I'm an independent, I try to think through each issue reasonably. my experience tells me that less govt is mostly a good thing, so I tend to vote Republican. but I also support higher taxes to cut the deficit, amnesty/immigration reform and a pro science platform. hardly Republican views. but I also think unions are mostly a negative and that democrats promote racial strife, so those are negatives against the left. I'm probably a Tom Davis Republican or a Mark Warner Democrat, whatever that is ...

so yeah, if someone is not my friend because I try to take a reasoned view on each issue, then f them

+1

Interestingly, yesterday I changed my party affiliation to independent (from Dem) largely around economic issues. I can't be a Republican, but neither can I embrace the fiscal naivete of my former party. I'll confess the rabid Dems on dcum helped me decide!

But who will you vote for?

Not choosing is still choosing.

probably Obama. Since I think they're both awful and deceitful around fiscal issues I'll land on court appointments.