Biden administration suing Sheetz gas station

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When I was in the sandwich I often stayed at my MIL's house in rural Maryland until past midnight, visiting with her, and then drove home through the night. It took me a couple of hours to get home. Sometimes I stopped at a Dunkin Donuts for a coffee, and sometimes I stopped at a Sheetz. I did this once a week. She was the last of her line in her town, and she depended on me a lot. Eventually she became too frail to stay in her home on her own, but I made this trip for years.

As a woman, driving in the middle of the night and needing to use a bathroom, I will not stop at a Sheetz if I think a former rapist is manning the store. It's crazy to think the government thinks it's reasonable to force people traveling at night to worry about whether or not a Sheetz employee is a threat to their safety. I had children at home who needed me. I had a MIL who needed me. I had elderly parents who needed me. What happens when women like me run into a criminally minded employee? Who do I sue if I become a crime victim because a criminal was working at a 24-hour convenience store? In the years I did stop at a Sheetz, it never crossed my mind that there might be criminally-minded emplyees eyeing me as a potential mark.

Seriously, do the good folks in the government not have wives, mothers, sisters who sometimes drive at night? Mostly women assume the role of caring for elderly relatives, and that often entails some sort of travel. We're doing the best we can, juggling our immediate families and our elderly relatives. We don't need to worry about this on top of everything else.


That’s a lot of drama.

1) people are convicted for a wide variety of crimes. Not all crimes are violent.

2) Rapists are the LEAST likely to be convicted for their crimes so you have zero reason to think that Sheetz only hiring non-felons makes you one tiny bit safer. It does not.


This is factually incorrect. It would reduce the risk slightly because of some of these people were convicted. It may not make a significant difference in the number of crimes committed on sheets property, but with a company that has 24,000 employees this policy is likely preventing some criminal activity because they are excluding applicants (with a criminal history) which indicates a higher risk of committing future crimes. The violent crime incidence rate in the US is around 1 incident for every 267 people each year. According to the FBI "sixty-seven percent of murderers and 73% of those convicted of robbery or assault had an arrest record" Only around 1/3rd of adults have a criminal record, so the segment with a criminal record is getting convicted of murder at a rate 4.1x the rate of the population without a criminal record. For robbery and assault, people with records are convicted at a rate 4.5x the population without a criminal record. This means that excluding job applicants people with previous criminal records could reduce theoretically offer a substantial reduction regarding the odds that an employee commits murder, robbery, and assault on company premises. I would suspect that most crime at convenience stores is committed by non-employees given that the company gets around 1.6 million customers each day, so Sheetz has little control over this segment that is more impactful. . However, this policy will likely provide risk reduction for the company.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a winning campaign issue.


It’s like democrats are desperate to lose elections.


+1
between this and the trans women in sports announcement I feel like they are jsut TRYING to let Trump win!
- Biden voter but so annoyed this is the stuff he's spending time & press on in 2024


Tokenism, a 1990's campaign playbook.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The eeoc is an independent agency.

And yes, it should address racism. Which is what the lawsuit is about.


It's an independent agency that is more anti-employer than it is pro-employer.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, this is a winning campaign issue.


It’s like democrats are desperate to lose elections.


+1
between this and the trans women in sports announcement I feel like they are jsut TRYING to let Trump win!
- Biden voter but so annoyed this is the stuff he's spending time & press on in 2024


You're a Biden voter who voted for this type of extreme insanity. And then you wonder why it happens? So funny.

You vote for radical left-wing extremism. You get radical left-wing extremism. And then you wonder why there is left-wing extremism. You can't make this stuff up.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a bit intrigued. Doesn't Sheetz operate mainly in rural Pennsylvania. How many blacks and Native Americans live in rural Pennsylvania? Which suggests that the data the DOJ is working with must rely on a smaller number of applicants that could distort the overall picture.


I wonder if sheets could argue that the data is not statistically significant for certain demographic groups.


This is it in a nutshell. Blacks commit disproportionately more crime than whites or any other races. I did a quick google search and it seems blacks are six times more likely to go to jail and represent around 37% of the prison population, three times their national percentage. Logically, it means Sheetz is not discriminating against blacks rather than that the hiring rejections reflects that blacks are much more likely to commit crime and go to prison.

Don't see how DOJ wins this one.
Anonymous
I don't agree with this lawsuit, but I saw that Dollar General settled a (somewhat) similar suit years back. And I think the government just wants Sheetz to have someone take a closer look at the people who didn't pass, to determine the severity or the crime and the likelihood of reoffense. (At least I think that's the point, or else the lawsuit makes 0 sense to me.)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a bit intrigued. Doesn't Sheetz operate mainly in rural Pennsylvania. How many blacks and Native Americans live in rural Pennsylvania? Which suggests that the data the DOJ is working with must rely on a smaller number of applicants that could distort the overall picture.


I wonder if sheets could argue that the data is not statistically significant for certain demographic groups.


This is it in a nutshell. Blacks commit disproportionately more crime than whites or any other races. I did a quick google search and it seems blacks are six times more likely to go to jail and represent around 37% of the prison population, three times their national percentage. Logically, it means Sheetz is not discriminating against blacks rather than that the hiring rejections reflects that blacks are much more likely to commit crime and go to prison.

Don't see how DOJ wins this one.

I don’t think Sheetz’s hiring practice of excluding ex-cons is discriminatory, but our justice system is. Have you ever seen the documentary “Gideon’s Army?” Poor families can’t pay to make criminal records disappear, like families with money can. Different races have different poverty rates. Gee, I wonder if there’s any historical explanation for race-based economic disparity? 🤔
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The best part will be when they hire criminals and then get sued when said criminal commits a crime against a customer


Someone who was arrested for Marijuana possession at 17 should not be put in a position to not be able to make a living for the rest of his/her life.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The best part will be when they hire criminals and then get sued when said criminal commits a crime against a customer


Someone who was arrested for Marijuana possession at 17 should not be put in a position to not be able to make a living for the rest of his/her life.


Someone to creates a business should not be put into a position where they must hire someone with a criminal record for illegal drug use.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The best part will be when they hire criminals and then get sued when said criminal commits a crime against a customer


Someone who was arrested for Marijuana possession at 17 should not be put in a position to not be able to make a living for the rest of his/her life.


Make marijuana legal if possession isnt a big deal and let business owners make their own hiring decisions.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They’ve got it backwards. The answer isn’t to promote hiring ex-cons to balance hiring among races; the answer is to address the systemic issues that lead to a significant disparity in incarceration rates by race. But this is easier, so let’s just keep incarcerating POC at higher rates and pretend the problem starts with hiring practices after they get out of prison.


Or realize that the problem starts with POC making bad choices instead of taking advantage of tax payer funded education to make a better life for themselves.


Are you saying that People Of Color make worse choices, on average, than White People?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When I was in the sandwich I often stayed at my MIL's house in rural Maryland until past midnight, visiting with her, and then drove home through the night. It took me a couple of hours to get home. Sometimes I stopped at a Dunkin Donuts for a coffee, and sometimes I stopped at a Sheetz. I did this once a week. She was the last of her line in her town, and she depended on me a lot. Eventually she became too frail to stay in her home on her own, but I made this trip for years.

As a woman, driving in the middle of the night and needing to use a bathroom, I will not stop at a Sheetz if I think a former rapist is manning the store. It's crazy to think the government thinks it's reasonable to force people traveling at night to worry about whether or not a Sheetz employee is a threat to their safety. I had children at home who needed me. I had a MIL who needed me. I had elderly parents who needed me. What happens when women like me run into a criminally minded employee? Who do I sue if I become a crime victim because a criminal was working at a 24-hour convenience store? In the years I did stop at a Sheetz, it never crossed my mind that there might be criminally-minded emplyees eyeing me as a potential mark.

Seriously, do the good folks in the government not have wives, mothers, sisters who sometimes drive at night? Mostly women assume the role of caring for elderly relatives, and that often entails some sort of travel. We're doing the best we can, juggling our immediate families and our elderly relatives. We don't need to worry about this on top of everything else.


That’s a lot of drama.

1) people are convicted for a wide variety of crimes. Not all crimes are violent.

2) Rapists are the LEAST likely to be convicted for their crimes so you have zero reason to think that Sheetz only hiring non-felons makes you one tiny bit safer. It does not.


This is factually incorrect. It would reduce the risk slightly because of some of these people were convicted. It may not make a significant difference in the number of crimes committed on sheets property, but with a company that has 24,000 employees this policy is likely preventing some criminal activity because they are excluding applicants (with a criminal history) which indicates a higher risk of committing future crimes. The violent crime incidence rate in the US is around 1 incident for every 267 people each year. According to the FBI "sixty-seven percent of murderers and 73% of those convicted of robbery or assault had an arrest record" Only around 1/3rd of adults have a criminal record, so the segment with a criminal record is getting convicted of murder at a rate 4.1x the rate of the population without a criminal record. For robbery and assault, people with records are convicted at a rate 4.5x the population without a criminal record. This means that excluding job applicants people with previous criminal records could reduce theoretically offer a substantial reduction regarding the odds that an employee commits murder, robbery, and assault on company premises. I would suspect that most crime at convenience stores is committed by non-employees given that the company gets around 1.6 million customers each day, so Sheetz has little control over this segment that is more impactful. . However, this policy will likely provide risk reduction for the company.


It IS factually correct that rapists are most likely to go unconvinced. She specifically feared being vulnerable to rapists at Sheetz now. My point was that being alone at night with a man who hasn’t done time does not make her more safe because odds are that the rapist got away with his crime. I think my point is clear.
Anonymous
Savopolous family in DC made the mistake and those poor people paid for it with their lives, I will never forget that they have an ex con a chance. No, sorry Biden can hire criminals for his security and other services if he’s so pressed to help them. Utterly ridiculous!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They’ve got it backwards. The answer isn’t to promote hiring ex-cons to balance hiring among races; the answer is to address the systemic issues that lead to a significant disparity in incarceration rates by race. But this is easier, so let’s just keep incarcerating POC at higher rates and pretend the problem starts with hiring practices after they get out of prison.


Or realize that the problem starts with POC making bad choices instead of taking advantage of tax payer funded education to make a better life for themselves.


Are you saying that People Of Color make worse choices, on average, than White People?



Don’t go by what anyone is saying, just look at the numbers, they don’t lie.

Signed - A PoC.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The best part will be when they hire criminals and then get sued when said criminal commits a crime against a customer


Someone who was arrested for Marijuana possession at 17 should not be put in a position to not be able to make a living for the rest of his/her life.


Someone to creates a business should not be put into a position where they must hire someone with a criminal record for illegal drug use.


Haha. Most of their executives are alcoholics and hard drug users.
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