Any schools Waitlist data shock you?

[Anonymous]

Not strange. Mandarin is really out there for most of the YY families, with no family connection to Chinese and weak commitment or insufficient resources to supplement with au pairs, summer immersion programs and so forth. YY still doesn't send announcements home in Chinese. It's basically been a fake immersion program from the get go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s strange that Yu Ying and Munro Verde would be in less demand even as DCI seems to be in greater demand.

Not in the upper grades at MV. Big difference compared to previous years with the waitlist. Families are not leaving and more people are wanting to get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not strange. Mandarin is really out there for most of the YY families, with no family connection to Chinese and weak commitment or insufficient resources to supplement with au pairs, summer immersion programs and so forth. YY still doesn't send announcements home in Chinese. It's basically been a fake immersion program from the get go.

Not a YY family and no horse in this race, but this line of thinking is so weird to me. Most families don't choose immersion because they expect actual fluency. They choose because it is a nice to have and the demographics of the schools are vastly preferable to their IB or other available options. As more ES become stronger options this makes them less of a draw (i.e. Maury, LT, etc.) The axe people like you have to grind against YY is nonsensical. What's the argument? Because they don't insist on Mandarin as primary language to a bunch of DC families that don't speak the language, people who demand true fluency and immersion don't choose it because...they are going to all of the other true immersion Chinese schools in DC? The logic doesn't track.

People like you have been on DCUM since the beginning of time whining about how YY isn't truly an immersion school. Get over yourself. 克服自己

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two Rivers middle. Seems like they're expecting a lot of kids to leave.

Two Rivers Middle is half empty. They've closed two classes already.

Yes, this surprised me also, but not really. TR is general appears to be in free fall--the Young ES campus will likely clear their wait lists for all their grades.
I understand that there's new leadership in place--but it will take strong leadership a few years to turn the corner and course correct after years of mismanagement.

It's going to get worse for TR4th. JO Wilson has waitlists for every grade (albeit short ones for elementary grades, but waitlists nonetheless) for the first time ever, despite the fact that they are moving into a swing space next year. That new campus will be ready by fall 2026 and people are enthusiastic. I actually know several people currently at JOW who looked at TR for the lottery because they are nonplussed about bussing kids to the swing space for a year and a half (understandable) and only one of them is actually enthusiastic about it as an option -- the other two were hoping for Ludlow spots (good luck) and will stay at JOW if they don't get them. And the one family who will likely switch to TR has an upper grade kid (who won't benefit from the new campus).

+1 TR4 has disproportionately pulled from the immediate neighborhood for years. When the new JOW building opens I think it will start sucking in almost all of those kids. The result will be a nuclear bomb to TR4 enrollment. I also expect a lot of complaining about the rapidly changing demographics of JOW as POC that are 2nd and 3rd generation JOW families that live OOB are pushed out in favor of the white, affluent people who live IB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s strange that Yu Ying and Munro Verde would be in less demand even as DCI seems to be in greater demand.

Not in the upper grades at MV. Big difference compared to previous years with the waitlist. Families are not leaving and more people are wanting to get in.

Uh, what? Where is this big difference? There are 15 kids on the 5th grade waitlist at MV8 and 13 for 4th (plus two seats filled). Down from 17 last year, with the waitlist cleared by the end of summer.

A handful more kids at P St, but that’s likely because they’re CH kids waitlisted at Latin and Basis, not because they actually tried for MV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s strange that Yu Ying and Munro Verde would be in less demand even as DCI seems to be in greater demand.

Not in the upper grades at MV. Big difference compared to previous years with the waitlist. Families are not leaving and more people are wanting to get in.

Uh, what? Where is this big difference? There are 15 kids on the 5th grade waitlist at MV8 and 13 for 4th (plus two seats filled). Down from 17 last year, with the waitlist cleared by the end of summer.

A handful more kids at P St, but that’s likely because they’re CH kids waitlisted at Latin and Basis, not because they actually tried for MV.

Well, in theory the actually tried if they are on the waitlist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two Rivers middle. Seems like they're expecting a lot of kids to leave.

Two Rivers Middle is half empty. They've closed two classes already.

Yes, this surprised me also, but not really. TR is general appears to be in free fall--the Young ES campus will likely clear their wait lists for all their grades.
I understand that there's new leadership in place--but it will take strong leadership a few years to turn the corner and course correct after years of mismanagement.

It's going to get worse for TR4th. JO Wilson has waitlists for every grade (albeit short ones for elementary grades, but waitlists nonetheless) for the first time ever, despite the fact that they are moving into a swing space next year. That new campus will be ready by fall 2026 and people are enthusiastic. I actually know several people currently at JOW who looked at TR for the lottery because they are nonplussed about bussing kids to the swing space for a year and a half (understandable) and only one of them is actually enthusiastic about it as an option -- the other two were hoping for Ludlow spots (good luck) and will stay at JOW if they don't get them. And the one family who will likely switch to TR has an upper grade kid (who won't benefit from the new campus).

+1 TR4 has disproportionately pulled from the immediate neighborhood for years. When the new JOW building opens I think it will start sucking in almost all of those kids. The result will be a nuclear bomb to TR4 enrollment. I also expect a lot of complaining about the rapidly changing demographics of JOW as POC that are 2nd and 3rd generation JOW families that live OOB are pushed out in favor of the white, affluent people who live IB.

Does the renovation include a capacity increase though?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s strange that Yu Ying and Munro Verde would be in less demand even as DCI seems to be in greater demand.

There are a lot of kids the immersion model doesn't work well for. Especially kids who are neurodivergent. That said, I still hear good things about Yu Ying, I just think there are more good options now than there once were.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s strange that Yu Ying and Munro Verde would be in less demand even as DCI seems to be in greater demand.

Not in the upper grades at MV. Big difference compared to previous years with the waitlist. Families are not leaving and more people are wanting to get in.

Uh, what? Where is this big difference? There are 15 kids on the 5th grade waitlist at MV8 and 13 for 4th (plus two seats filled). Down from 17 last year, with the waitlist cleared by the end of summer.

A handful more kids at P St, but that’s likely because they’re CH kids waitlisted at Latin and Basis, not because they actually tried for MV.

Well, in theory the actually tried if they are on the waitlist.

Sure. The actual test will be how many kids are left on the waitlist after count day. Doesn’t hurt to have MV as a middle school backup option since they clear waitlists and likely don’t have enough rising DCI kids to fill their seat allotment. People do crazy things for middle school spots in this city.

But regardless, there’s pretty much no difference at MV. Let alone a big one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Latin Cooper. Shock is a strong word. The school is still relatively new and next year still in a transitional temporary warehouse building. The waitlist for 5th grade is something like 360 kids.

Capitol Hill families like the Latin brand.
Brand is a thing.
Classical = what it is.
They didn't even fill their ask risk slots.
Latin smartly bet on the come that the charter board feels more strongly about having new filled schools than having new filled schools that fit the demographics of their neighborhoods. They'll add two more Hill buses next year.

This is some seriously weak sauce you are pouring. You throw the work "brand" around pejoratively. What you mean is "reputation and results educating kids better than DCPS counterparts". At risk is a red herring. They set aside seats. They advertised. What more would you have them do? Would you like them to walk around Ward 8 and surreptitiously sweep kids off the street and drop them into classes against the will of their parents? Charters are NOT neighborhood schools. They are not designed to be neighborhood schools. We have schools that are designed to first and foremost "fit the demographics of their neighborhoods". We call these DCPS schools and IB kids can by right attend them. The ones in the neighborhoods you pretend to care about are empirically bad at educating those kids.

You and PP miss the most obvious Latin advantage - HIGH SCHOOL PATHWAY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s strange that Yu Ying and Munro Verde would be in less demand even as DCI seems to be in greater demand.

Not in the upper grades at MV. Big difference compared to previous years with the waitlist. Families are not leaving and more people are wanting to get in.

Uh, what? Where is this big difference? There are 15 kids on the 5th grade waitlist at MV8 and 13 for 4th (plus two seats filled). Down from 17 last year, with the waitlist cleared by the end of summer.

A handful more kids at P St, but that’s likely because they’re CH kids waitlisted at Latin and Basis, not because they actually tried for MV.

First of all, more families are staying because less seats overall in the upper grades. The 4th grade at P this year is the only one with any significant number of seats which is not surprising with the 3rd grade issues last year.

Last year at MV8, there were 24 on waitlist for 4th so 60% increase this year with 2 seats already offered. 5th is about the same but no seats.
At P st, the difference in 5th is significant, up more then 200% increase from 4 to 14 on waitlist.

The only outlier is 4th grade at P which is not surprising as I mentioned above.

Watch the waitlist this year and I bet it won’t move as much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s strange that Yu Ying and Munro Verde would be in less demand even as DCI seems to be in greater demand.

Not strange, there has been a fertility fall-off/COVID young families move - and there is a high demand for MS/HS. Look at Wells/Coolidge - bursting at seams.

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Anonymous wrote:Not strange. Mandarin is really out there for most of the YY families, with no family connection to Chinese and weak commitment or insufficient resources to supplement with au pairs, summer immersion programs and so forth. YY still doesn't send announcements home in Chinese. It's basically been a fake immersion program from the get go.

Not a YY family and no horse in this race, but this line of thinking is so weird to me. Most families don't choose immersion because they expect actual fluency. They choose because it is a nice to have and the demographics of the schools are vastly preferable to their IB or other available options. As more ES become stronger options this makes them less of a draw (i.e. Maury, LT, etc.) The axe people like you have to grind against YY is nonsensical. What's the argument? Because they don't insist on Mandarin as primary language to a bunch of DC families that don't speak the language, people who demand true fluency and immersion don't choose it because...they are going to all of the other true immersion Chinese schools in DC? The logic doesn't track.

People like you have been on DCUM since the beginning of time whining about how YY isn't truly an immersion school. Get over yourself. 克服自己

Parent of a student in one of the immersion schools- I do expect fluency and selected the school specifically for language. Language fluency was the reason we selected the school.

[Anonymous]

DCPS restricted lottery seats at Wells and Coolidge to manage overutilization...and Coolidge has 158 kids on the waiting list for 9th grade!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCPS restricted lottery seats at Wells and Coolidge to manage overutilization...and Coolidge has 158 kids on the waiting list for 9th grade!

Wells and Coolidge is becoming more in-boundary so they need to restrict out of bounds seats more. There is talk of adding capacity. The first step is actually a cafeteria expansion that is already planned (the MS and HS is currently sharing at different times).