Huh? Yes, a president pretty much has immunity for carrying out his office. Including shenanigans. Many things are within the purview of the office. Listening in on the opponent, nope. Pressuring officials to change votes, no. Using force (mob) to delay and alter an election, nope. Those things are not the president's job. |
Seriously want to go there? I mean really? |
Even if I agree that trump did all of those things, the remedy is impeachment. That’s it. |
I recall a certain president perjured himself and was disbarred. Perjury is a crime. |
As a former Republican, that was a mortifying time and should never have happened. Disgraceful conduct by the Republicans. |
So a president can resign in order to get away with illegal activities? |
How often is perjury prosecuted? And perjury relating to a personal fling, not national security or matters of grave national importance? |
. The point is that PP was suggesting only Trump and Nixon would be exposed by this. No. They wouldn’t. And if we say presidents can be tried as criminals then people will look for stuff to bring people down. Think of what we will find and to what end. Our presidents are elected and can only be removed by congress. If Trump had beat Melanie, he would not have immunity for that because that is not within the job description. He would not be immune from prosecution for besting his wife and if found guilty would have to serve time. But a court could not remove him from office. He could be president from jail. Meanwhile, the congress could remove him but that is it. But he has immunity for activities that are connected to doing his job. The remedy for bad acts while doing his job in office is impeachment. |
So now you are equivocating. Perjury is a crime and people do go to jail. |
If those “illegal” activities relate to his job, yes and he will be immune. If not related to the job, then no. He could be prosecuted. |
Perjury that wasn't material to the question at hand. |
So where is the line between related and unrelated? |
Liar. That's exactly what Sauer said. I listened. It's on tape, unless you're calling the court recording an AI fake!?!? |
Specifically, can conduct that is job-related also be unlawful, or does it have to be lawful? Under what circumstances can unlawful conduct be considered job-related? |
And who makes that determination? Is it something the president just asserts and the court has to dismiss? Or is it a defense that the president raises at trial? |