Question for White Americans about the future of US

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's take a look at some facts from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Higher amounts of opioids were prescribed in counties with a larger percentage of non-Hispanic whites; a higher prevalence of diabetes and arthritis; micropolitan counties; and counties with higher rates of unemployment and Medicaid enrollment.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6626a4.htm

Start paying attention to real issues.

yes, opioid abuse is a real problem among some whites. But how does bringing that up help the issues that are much more prevalent among blacks - skyrocketing out-of-wedlock births, generational poverty and chronic unemployment, domestic abuse, and so forth? Are these not "real issues" that blacks should focus on improving? Saying "well, whites have a problem with opioids more than blacks" does not excuse, defend, or help with the problems blacks have.

So I have a unique perspective on this as I have close contact with urban inner city communities of color AND rural white communities facing the opioid epidemic (I work in public health). The rhetoric that is being displayed here is going to be the end of us, if we can't understand that the success of our country depends on EVERYONE being able to thrive. I am black and my heart bleeds for those white families affected by this drug crisis and I had a front row seat to the crack epidemic.

The opioid epidemic is a repeat of the crack epidemic that occured in urban areas. It starts with disinvestment in specific areas and then leads to hopelessness, joblessness, poor health outcomes, criminal activity, overrun of young children and babies addicted to drugs, etc, etc. In addition to the opioid epidemic, mortality rates for whites (especially white women) it has increased. There are a bunch of serious chronic disease issues that are impacting white communities at an extraordinary clip - an increase in rates of smoking, cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure - you name it. As a side note, mortality rates for blacks has decreased, although a gap still exists.

Please see extensive research by Charles Murray about the disintegration of white communities and he did the research LONG before Trump. And there are many other (less controversial) researchers focused on the same thing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/charles-murray-and-shiftless-lazy-whites/2011/04/24/AFmC0beE_story.html?utm_term=.7c3a7155e493

The Washington Post has also done extensive stories on the state of rural areas. So my view is that it will be interesting to see how much those communities in rural areas are supported and if the opioid epidemic AND ITS IMPACTS can be addressed. Right now for example foster care systems are OVERWHELMED with children and infants abandoned from this epidemic. Play out in your minds what those children's lives will be like. If we all agree that development during the ages of 0-5 are critical, will an addicted infant born today in rural Vermont be able to be prepared for Kindergarten and thrive in school?

My sinking suspicion though is that those communities will be abandoned and never receive the level of resources needed. If that happens the word rural will be come a code word for "lazy poor whites" as much as urban is a code word for "lazy poor blacks".

I guess I don't understand why certain white people continue to buy into this rhetoric of pitting races against each other or thinking with a broad brush about any group. On a very basic level we need people who can work and succeed and keep our country thriving. Those of us 50+ thinking about retirement and our future grandchildren should be very, very concerned about this no matter what race we identify with.

[Anonymous]

All the "white" people on my street are having 3 or 4 kids. I find it odd. There's only one family that has two kids. When I was growing up in the 80s in this area, it was strange to have more than two children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the "white" people on my street are having 3 or 4 kids. I find it odd. There's only one family that has two kids. When I was growing up in the 80s in this area, it was strange to have more than two children.

Why is "white" in quotes?

Also, I have no issue with people who have more than two children. One of my best friends has six (but she has a high-earning husband and a trust fund). The problem only comes in when you have more than you can support.

[Anonymous]

Teen birth rates higher in rural counties

In 2015, the teen birth rate among non-Hispanic white females was lowest in large urban counties (10.5 births per 1,000) (Figure 4). The rate was 68% higher in medium and small urban counties (17.6 births per 1,000), and more than 2.5 times higher in rural counties (26.8 per 1,000) than in large urban counties.

Maybe they're getting married though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Teen birth rates higher in rural counties

In 2015, the teen birth rate among non-Hispanic white females was lowest in large urban counties (10.5 births per 1,000) (Figure 4). The rate was 68% higher in medium and small urban counties (17.6 births per 1,000), and more than 2.5 times higher in rural counties (26.8 per 1,000) than in large urban counties.

Maybe they're getting married though.

How does that matter at all if they are unable to support themselves? Marriage is irrelevant. Education/skills are relevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Teen birth rates higher in rural counties

In 2015, the teen birth rate among non-Hispanic white females was lowest in large urban counties (10.5 births per 1,000) (Figure 4). The rate was 68% higher in medium and small urban counties (17.6 births per 1,000), and more than 2.5 times higher in rural counties (26.8 per 1,000) than in large urban counties.

Maybe they're getting married though.

How does that matter at all if they are unable to support themselves? Marriage is irrelevant. Education/skills are relevant.

I was responding to the poster/s who keep saying black people could fix all problems for black people if they address "skyrocketing" out-of-wedlock births

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. You guys with your model minority bs. Federal and state government policies hurt AA families for centuries, passed civil rights bills ONLY 50 years ago, that mainly helps white women, and then you sit back and point the finger at AA families for their struggles. No one wants to talk about the generations of wealth stripped from AAs by white ppl and the government.

So happy I gave up on giving shit about you guys a long time ago. Your ignorance and bigotry will literally be the death of you. Trump is the perfect pill for this. And I'm loving the show.

Look, I know you hate white people, but 50 years is two generations! Add in the benefits of affirmative action (and no....it doesn't help white women) in opening college doors, and we should have seen lots of improvement by now. If anything, it's gotten worse - and that's largely thanks to the skyrocketing out-of-wedlock births to young women who can't support their kids. Don't you think blacks have ANY responsibility? I mean, geez....look to the Asians and Jews, and see how well they've done by getting an education and not having babies without a husband. It's time to own up and admit that blacks bear at least some of the blame here.

Two generations? Do you hear yourself?

Affirmative action has mostly benefited whites women. Blacks are doing better. What about 350 years of affirmative action for whites? Why didn't whites run std experiments on Asians? Or injection crack into poor Jewish neighborhoods?? Why were redlining tactics, which still happen today, focused on blacks? Why do blacks have to pay more money than others to live in nonblack neighborhoods?

Again. Praise god for Trump. May his impulsive decision making and war mongering friends bring blessing to you and the USA.

1) Yes, two generations should be plenty - especially with the advantages of affirmative action, Pell grants, and other programs. Jews immigrated here to escape horrific religious persecution, with nothing more than a knapsack on their back and an 8th grade education, and a single generation later their kids are all college graduates.

2) Similar to above, most whites in this country cannot trace their lineage back 350 years. The "Mass Immigration" between 1882 and 1924 were poor, uneducated, persecuted minorities.

3) It's horrible that whites ran syphilis experiments on black men, but it was pretty damn bad when Christians marched 6 million Jews into gas chambers. Why have Jews been able to overcome that to succeed in society, and blacks like you are still blaming everyone else but themselves?

4) Blacks don't pay more to live in "non-black" neighborhoods, and whites didn't "inject" crack into black neighborhoods.

And after your entire rant, you still refuse to acknowledge that blacks living in poverty, generation after generation, have played a role in their situation. If the girls would stop having babies before they are married, they could break that cycle in one generation.

This.

1) You are naive enough to believe that things were "even Steven" right after the passage of the civil rights acts? And you think "two generations" and Pell grants, which are for EVERYONE, is enough to make up for 3 centuries of government sponsored targeted slavery, discrimination, theft, murder and destruction of the black family? You must walk around with a chauffeur and a red carpet w/ the amount of white privilege coming out of your posts. What would be more fun is if you're not white. This is therapy worthy in this case.

2) This isn't a point.

3) Lol you want to equate one (the only one right?) evil act by the USG to the Holocaust? You also conveniently ignore the the financial and political support provided directly to Jewish survivors and the Jewish state. AA couldn't even keep their 40 acres and a mule. More gross false equivalency. Housing prices must in the land of FE must be high. I

4) you are right- it's not just in nonblack neighborhoods. Blacks folks pay a "black tax" for nearly nearly everything. Just to name a few:
Homeownership: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/10/blacks-and-hispanics-face-extra-challenges-in-getting-home-loans/
Car insurance: https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
Auto loans: http://www.denverpost.com/2007/05/11/blacks-latinos-paying-higher-interest-rates-than-whites-for-cars/
Rentals: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/05/racism_in_real_estate_landlords_redlining_housing_values_and_discrimination.html

All this while consistently earning less than whites and other, no matter what the education level: http://www.epi.org/publication/african-americans-are-paid-less-than-whites-at-every-education-level/

And yes, the actions of your precious CIA did inject crack in black communities. Either intentionally or through sheer incompetence. Read the report from Kerry's investigation. And the USG response to this? Lock everyone up! Which group benefits most from mass incarnation? The USG run inhumane tests on black ppl, put Asians in camps, and bomb wealthy black communities, but then deny its involvement in narcs?

I'm not even going to address your commonly cited racist comments on black births. There is no honest discussion on the topic unless you can acknowledge the gross history and treatment AAs have faced and continue to face in this country.

You see all these factors as "excuses" and not actual facts that impact people. I say this as a mixed white/japanese person and ex-Republican. I grew up thinking negatively about AAs. I strongly believe in individual responsibility. But I also understand and empathize with the complexities associated with AA history in this country. I have taken the time to TRY to understand things from their POV and not just accept what my parents told me, or incomplete white washed pro-American history books. I am also aware of white america's history of pitting other minorities achievement against AAs, which again is a gross equivalency in all aspects. It ignores US immigration policy and the structural barriers faced by AAs not faced by others. The existence of wealthy or highly educated AAs doesn't dispute or diminish its impact. Neither does pointing to the success of African and Caribbean immigrants. We will never move forward until white Americans and the USG can acknowledge basic truths about how AAs have been, and still are treated. I honestly believe this ignorance will be the will result in the end of the US. By the looks of it, its already started.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's take a look at some facts from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Higher amounts of opioids were prescribed in counties with a larger percentage of non-Hispanic whites; a higher prevalence of diabetes and arthritis; micropolitan counties; and counties with higher rates of unemployment and Medicaid enrollment.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6626a4.htm

Start paying attention to real issues.

yes, opioid abuse is a real problem among some whites. But how does bringing that up help the issues that are much more prevalent among blacks - skyrocketing out-of-wedlock births, generational poverty and chronic unemployment, domestic abuse, and so forth? Are these not "real issues" that blacks should focus on improving? Saying "well, whites have a problem with opioids more than blacks" does not excuse, defend, or help with the problems blacks have.

I don't know. Let's reverse some of the qualifiers in your post and see if that helps you with an answer.

yes, out-of-wedlock births, generational poverty and chronic unemployment, etc. is a real problem among some blacks. But how does bringing that up help the issues that are much more prevalent among whites- substance abuse, addiction, overdose deaths and so forth? Are these not "real issues" that whites should focus on improving? Saying "well, blacks have a problem with poverty and crime more than whites" does not excuse, defend, or help with the problems whites have.

Were you the one who said that whites have bigger problems than blacks? I was responding to that statement to show how ridiculous it is. (It's that "false equivalency" I always hear about.)

Other than the single issue you raised (drug addition and variations of it in some segments of the population - and I personally know NOBODY), that simply isn't true. Whites have higher levels of education, higher incomes, higher net worths, better overall health and longevity, much fewer out-of-wedlock births*, less domestic abuse, and less unemployment. You are trying to say that blacks and whites have "equal" problems, and it just isn't true.

*That's the #1 problem - three out of four black babies. Correct that, and the other problems, like generational poverty, lack of education, unemployment, lower incomes, etc. - will improve dramatically.

Yes, I'm the person who said whites have a bigger problem them blacks. I should have been more clear and said "whites have bigger problems than growing numbers of white, hispanics or muslims."

The subject of the thread is fear of whites becoming a minority. And yeah, white people have much bigger issues than that one. The biggest one seems to be ignorance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Teen birth rates higher in rural counties

In 2015, the teen birth rate among non-Hispanic white females was lowest in large urban counties (10.5 births per 1,000) (Figure 4). The rate was 68% higher in medium and small urban counties (17.6 births per 1,000), and more than 2.5 times higher in rural counties (26.8 per 1,000) than in large urban counties.

Maybe they're getting married though.

How does that matter at all if they are unable to support themselves? Marriage is irrelevant. Education/skills are relevant.

I was responding to the poster/s who keep saying black people could fix all problems for black people if they address "skyrocketing" out-of-wedlock births

Not PP, but this even worth addressing. The problems faced in AA communities are not due Out of wed lock births. I encourage white people who struggle with reading statistics to just read this nice little summary by a woke white man:http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/baby-mama-drama-explaining-conservative-deception-about-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-black-community/
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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's take a look at some facts from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Higher amounts of opioids were prescribed in counties with a larger percentage of non-Hispanic whites; a higher prevalence of diabetes and arthritis; micropolitan counties; and counties with higher rates of unemployment and Medicaid enrollment.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6626a4.htm

Start paying attention to real issues.

yes, opioid abuse is a real problem among some whites. But how does bringing that up help the issues that are much more prevalent among blacks - skyrocketing out-of-wedlock births, generational poverty and chronic unemployment, domestic abuse, and so forth? Are these not "real issues" that blacks should focus on improving? Saying "well, whites have a problem with opioids more than blacks" does not excuse, defend, or help with the problems blacks have.

I don't know. Let's reverse some of the qualifiers in your post and see if that helps you with an answer.

yes, out-of-wedlock births, generational poverty and chronic unemployment, etc. is a real problem among some blacks. But how does bringing that up help the issues that are much more prevalent among whites- substance abuse, addiction, overdose deaths and so forth? Are these not "real issues" that whites should focus on improving? Saying "well, blacks have a problem with poverty and crime more than whites" does not excuse, defend, or help with the problems whites have.

Were you the one who said that whites have bigger problems than blacks? I was responding to that statement to show how ridiculous it is. (It's that "false equivalency" I always hear about.)

Other than the single issue you raised (drug addition and variations of it in some segments of the population - and I personally know NOBODY), that simply isn't true. Whites have higher levels of education, higher incomes, higher net worths, better overall health and longevity, much fewer out-of-wedlock births*, less domestic abuse, and less unemployment. You are trying to say that blacks and whites have "equal" problems, and it just isn't true.

*That's the #1 problem - three out of four black babies. Correct that, and the other problems, like generational poverty, lack of education, unemployment, lower incomes, etc. - will improve dramatically.

Yes, I'm the person who said whites have a bigger problem them blacks. I should have been more clear and said "whites have bigger problems than growing numbers of white, hispanics or muslims."

The subject of the thread is fear of whites becoming a minority. And yeah, white people have much bigger issues than that one. The biggest one seems to be ignorance.

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. You guys with your model minority bs. Federal and state government policies hurt AA families for centuries, passed civil rights bills ONLY 50 years ago, that mainly helps white women, and then you sit back and point the finger at AA families for their struggles. No one wants to talk about the generations of wealth stripped from AAs by white ppl and the government.

So happy I gave up on giving shit about you guys a long time ago. Your ignorance and bigotry will literally be the death of you. Trump is the perfect pill for this. And I'm loving the show.

Look, I know you hate white people, but 50 years is two generations! Add in the benefits of affirmative action (and no....it doesn't help white women) in opening college doors, and we should have seen lots of improvement by now. If anything, it's gotten worse - and that's largely thanks to the skyrocketing out-of-wedlock births to young women who can't support their kids. Don't you think blacks have ANY responsibility? I mean, geez....look to the Asians and Jews, and see how well they've done by getting an education and not having babies without a husband. It's time to own up and admit that blacks bear at least some of the blame here.

Two generations? Do you hear yourself?

Affirmative action has mostly benefited whites women. Blacks are doing better. What about 350 years of affirmative action for whites? Why didn't whites run std experiments on Asians? Or injection crack into poor Jewish neighborhoods?? Why were redlining tactics, which still happen today, focused on blacks? Why do blacks have to pay more money than others to live in nonblack neighborhoods?

Again. Praise god for Trump. May his impulsive decision making and war mongering friends bring blessing to you and the USA.

1) Yes, two generations should be plenty - especially with the advantages of affirmative action, Pell grants, and other programs. Jews immigrated here to escape horrific religious persecution, with nothing more than a knapsack on their back and an 8th grade education, and a single generation later their kids are all college graduates.

2) Similar to above, most whites in this country cannot trace their lineage back 350 years. The "Mass Immigration" between 1882 and 1924 were poor, uneducated, persecuted minorities.

3) It's horrible that whites ran syphilis experiments on black men, but it was pretty damn bad when Christians marched 6 million Jews into gas chambers. Why have Jews been able to overcome that to succeed in society, and blacks like you are still blaming everyone else but themselves?

4) Blacks don't pay more to live in "non-black" neighborhoods, and whites didn't "inject" crack into black neighborhoods.

And after your entire rant, you still refuse to acknowledge that blacks living in poverty, generation after generation, have played a role in their situation. If the girls would stop having babies before they are married, they could break that cycle in one generation.

This.

1) You are naive enough to believe that things were "even Steven" right after the passage of the civil rights acts? And you think "two generations" and Pell grants, which are for EVERYONE, is enough to make up for 3 centuries of government sponsored targeted slavery, discrimination, theft, murder and destruction of the black family? You must walk around with a chauffeur and a red carpet w/ the amount of white privilege coming out of your posts. What would be more fun is if you're not white. This is therapy worthy in this case.

2) This isn't a point.

3) Lol you want to equate one (the only one right?) evil act by the USG to the Holocaust? You also conveniently ignore the the financial and political support provided directly to Jewish survivors and the Jewish state. AA couldn't even keep their 40 acres and a mule. More gross false equivalency. Housing prices must in the land of FE must be high. I

4) you are right- it's not just in nonblack neighborhoods. Blacks folks pay a "black tax" for nearly nearly everything. Just to name a few:
Homeownership: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/10/blacks-and-hispanics-face-extra-challenges-in-getting-home-loans/
Car insurance: https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
Auto loans: http://www.denverpost.com/2007/05/11/blacks-latinos-paying-higher-interest-rates-than-whites-for-cars/
Rentals: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/05/racism_in_real_estate_landlords_redlining_housing_values_and_discrimination.html

All this while consistently earning less than whites and other, no matter what the education level: http://www.epi.org/publication/african-americans-are-paid-less-than-whites-at-every-education-level/

And yes, the actions of your precious CIA did inject crack in black communities. Either intentionally or through sheer incompetence. Read the report from Kerry's investigation. And the USG response to this? Lock everyone up! Which group benefits most from mass incarnation? The USG run inhumane tests on black ppl, put Asians in camps, and bomb wealthy black communities, but then deny its involvement in narcs?

I'm not even going to address your commonly cited racist comments on black births. There is no honest discussion on the topic unless you can acknowledge the gross history and treatment AAs have faced and continue to face in this country.

You see all these factors as "excuses" and not actual facts that impact people. I say this as a mixed white/japanese person and ex-Republican. I grew up thinking negatively about AAs. I strongly believe in individual responsibility. But I also understand and empathize with the complexities associated with AA history in this country. I have taken the time to TRY to understand things from their POV and not just accept what my parents told me, or incomplete white washed pro-American history books. I am also aware of white america's history of pitting other minorities achievement against AAs, which again is a gross equivalency in all aspects. It ignores US immigration policy and the structural barriers faced by AAs not faced by others. The existence of wealthy or highly educated AAs doesn't dispute or diminish its impact. Neither does pointing to the success of African and Caribbean immigrants. We will never move forward until white Americans and the USG can acknowledge basic truths about how AAs have been, and still are treated. I honestly believe this ignorance will be the will result in the end of the US. By the looks of it, its already started.

I posted upthread about the opioid epidemic/crack epidemic and 100% agree with your synopsis. Our education system has done a really poor job of educating all of us about history and we continue to repeat and repeat. In addition to policies that were designed to shut-out black people, some policies put in place to help black people were well-intentioned but had unintended negative consequences. There are a force of people trying to figure out how to minimize these impacts not just for black people but for ALL. If you get a chance listen to the podcast Revisionist History with Malcolm Gladwell- there are some episodes that are very eye-opening around some of the issues discussed on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol. You guys with your model minority bs. Federal and state government policies hurt AA families for centuries, passed civil rights bills ONLY 50 years ago, that mainly helps white women, and then you sit back and point the finger at AA families for their struggles. No one wants to talk about the generations of wealth stripped from AAs by white ppl and the government.

So happy I gave up on giving shit about you guys a long time ago. Your ignorance and bigotry will literally be the death of you. Trump is the perfect pill for this. And I'm loving the show.

Look, I know you hate white people, but 50 years is two generations! Add in the benefits of affirmative action (and no....it doesn't help white women) in opening college doors, and we should have seen lots of improvement by now. If anything, it's gotten worse - and that's largely thanks to the skyrocketing out-of-wedlock births to young women who can't support their kids. Don't you think blacks have ANY responsibility? I mean, geez....look to the Asians and Jews, and see how well they've done by getting an education and not having babies without a husband. It's time to own up and admit that blacks bear at least some of the blame here.

Two generations? Do you hear yourself?

Affirmative action has mostly benefited whites women. Blacks are doing better. What about 350 years of affirmative action for whites? Why didn't whites run std experiments on Asians? Or injection crack into poor Jewish neighborhoods?? Why were redlining tactics, which still happen today, focused on blacks? Why do blacks have to pay more money than others to live in nonblack neighborhoods?

Again. Praise god for Trump. May his impulsive decision making and war mongering friends bring blessing to you and the USA.

1) Yes, two generations should be plenty - especially with the advantages of affirmative action, Pell grants, and other programs. Jews immigrated here to escape horrific religious persecution, with nothing more than a knapsack on their back and an 8th grade education, and a single generation later their kids are all college graduates.

2) Similar to above, most whites in this country cannot trace their lineage back 350 years. The "Mass Immigration" between 1882 and 1924 were poor, uneducated, persecuted minorities.

3) It's horrible that whites ran syphilis experiments on black men, but it was pretty damn bad when Christians marched 6 million Jews into gas chambers. Why have Jews been able to overcome that to succeed in society, and blacks like you are still blaming everyone else but themselves?

4) Blacks don't pay more to live in "non-black" neighborhoods, and whites didn't "inject" crack into black neighborhoods.

And after your entire rant, you still refuse to acknowledge that blacks living in poverty, generation after generation, have played a role in their situation. If the girls would stop having babies before they are married, they could break that cycle in one generation.

This.

1) You are naive enough to believe that things were "even Steven" right after the passage of the civil rights acts? And you think "two generations" and Pell grants, which are for EVERYONE, is enough to make up for 3 centuries of government sponsored targeted slavery, discrimination, theft, murder and destruction of the black family? You must walk around with a chauffeur and a red carpet w/ the amount of white privilege coming out of your posts. What would be more fun is if you're not white. This is therapy worthy in this case.

2) This isn't a point.

3) Lol you want to equate one (the only one right?) evil act by the USG to the Holocaust? You also conveniently ignore the the financial and political support provided directly to Jewish survivors and the Jewish state. AA couldn't even keep their 40 acres and a mule. More gross false equivalency. Housing prices must in the land of FE must be high. I

4) you are right- it's not just in nonblack neighborhoods. Blacks folks pay a "black tax" for nearly nearly everything. Just to name a few:
Homeownership: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/10/blacks-and-hispanics-face-extra-challenges-in-getting-home-loans/
Car insurance: https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
Auto loans: http://www.denverpost.com/2007/05/11/blacks-latinos-paying-higher-interest-rates-than-whites-for-cars/
Rentals: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/05/racism_in_real_estate_landlords_redlining_housing_values_and_discrimination.html

All this while consistently earning less than whites and other, no matter what the education level: http://www.epi.org/publication/african-americans-are-paid-less-than-whites-at-every-education-level/

And yes, the actions of your precious CIA did inject crack in black communities. Either intentionally or through sheer incompetence. Read the report from Kerry's investigation. And the USG response to this? Lock everyone up! Which group benefits most from mass incarnation? The USG run inhumane tests on black ppl, put Asians in camps, and bomb wealthy black communities, but then deny its involvement in narcs?

I'm not even going to address your commonly cited racist comments on black births. There is no honest discussion on the topic unless you can acknowledge the gross history and treatment AAs have faced and continue to face in this country.

You see all these factors as "excuses" and not actual facts that impact people. I say this as a mixed white/japanese person and ex-Republican. I grew up thinking negatively about AAs. I strongly believe in individual responsibility. But I also understand and empathize with the complexities associated with AA history in this country. I have taken the time to TRY to understand things from their POV and not just accept what my parents told me, or incomplete white washed pro-American history books. I am also aware of white america's history of pitting other minorities achievement against AAs, which again is a gross equivalency in all aspects. It ignores US immigration policy and the structural barriers faced by AAs not faced by others. The existence of wealthy or highly educated AAs doesn't dispute or diminish its impact. Neither does pointing to the success of African and Caribbean immigrants. We will never move forward until white Americans and the USG can acknowledge basic truths about how AAs have been, and still are treated. I honestly believe this ignorance will be the will result in the end of the US. By the looks of it, its already started.

I posted upthread about the opioid epidemic/crack epidemic and 100% agree with your synopsis. Our education system has done a really poor job of educating all of us about history and we continue to repeat and repeat. In addition to policies that were designed to shut-out black people, some policies put in place to help black people were well-intentioned but had unintended negative consequences. There are a force of people trying to figure out how to minimize these impacts not just for black people but for ALL. If you get a chance listen to the podcast Revisionist History with Malcolm Gladwell- there are some episodes that are very eye-opening around some of the issues discussed on this thread.

PP here. RH is a great podcast. I was especially surprised to learn about Brown vs BOE. I never thought about teachers being the problem with segregation. But given this thread and the feelings many whites have towards blacks, and their "inherent inferiority", baby mama drama etc, PS is pretty much mostly a mind fuck for young black kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's take a look at some facts from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Higher amounts of opioids were prescribed in counties with a larger percentage of non-Hispanic whites; a higher prevalence of diabetes and arthritis; micropolitan counties; and counties with higher rates of unemployment and Medicaid enrollment.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6626a4.htm

Start paying attention to real issues.

yes, opioid abuse is a real problem among some whites. But how does bringing that up help the issues that are much more prevalent among blacks - skyrocketing out-of-wedlock births, generational poverty and chronic unemployment, domestic abuse, and so forth? Are these not "real issues" that blacks should focus on improving? Saying "well, whites have a problem with opioids more than blacks" does not excuse, defend, or help with the problems blacks have.

I don't know. Let's reverse some of the qualifiers in your post and see if that helps you with an answer.

yes, out-of-wedlock births, generational poverty and chronic unemployment, etc. is a real problem among some blacks. But how does bringing that up help the issues that are much more prevalent among whites- substance abuse, addiction, overdose deaths and so forth? Are these not "real issues" that whites should focus on improving? Saying "well, blacks have a problem with poverty and crime more than whites" does not excuse, defend, or help with the problems whites have.

Were you the one who said that whites have bigger problems than blacks? I was responding to that statement to show how ridiculous it is. (It's that "false equivalency" I always hear about.)

Other than the single issue you raised (drug addition and variations of it in some segments of the population - and I personally know NOBODY), that simply isn't true. Whites have higher levels of education, higher incomes, higher net worths, better overall health and longevity, much fewer out-of-wedlock births*, less domestic abuse, and less unemployment. You are trying to say that blacks and whites have "equal" problems, and it just isn't true.

*That's the #1 problem - three out of four black babies. Correct that, and the other problems, like generational poverty, lack of education, unemployment, lower incomes, etc. - will improve dramatically.

Yes, I'm the person who said whites have a bigger problem them blacks. I should have been more clear and said "whites have bigger problems than growing numbers of white, hispanics or muslims."

The subject of the thread is fear of whites becoming a minority. And yeah, white people have much bigger issues than that one. The biggest one seems to be ignorance.

This.

We cant even agree on common facts anymore, like climate change. Or the impact of fracking. Or that Russia is an enemy we should play footies with. white Americans like Putin, an enemy to America and democracy, more than Pres Obama. Ignorance of my fellow white Americans is what concerns me the most. We will eventually need to cash these checks. I'm hopeful that those in charge will be more empathetic than how we have acted.

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Not factual. Lowering minimum wage??? LOL.

The idea that white people don't have a problem with culture and education is making me laugh a little bit harder.

High school and college drop outs, unwed pregnancy, intergenerational poverty, domestic violence, addiction, chronic disease, chronic unemployment, mental illness - all social ills suffered in much higher numbers by white people.

Maybe other races and cultures aren't your problem; maybe it's Darwinism. But that's not really funny, is it?

But not as a proportion of the population. 1,000 out of 100,000 white women may be on welfare while 1,000 out of 10,000 black women are on welfare.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh I know you are crazy white women are the greatest beneficiary of affirmative action .
Go back to storm front .

Darling, this is DCUM. She will go back to that tasty catalog: Frontgate.

LOLOL!
You are right!!

I never even heard of Frontgate. I looked it up, and it's some shopping site. Is that what you meant?

Yes indeed. A
Poster suggested another poster return to the whacks doodle storm front and u suggested they would more likely go to Frontgate. It is a riff on the elitism of DCUM

Sigh