And yet, when I walk around the elite campuses, somehow I still don’t see that many “Blacks”! |
A PP stated that Black admits have just as high scores as Asians -- quote from above: "The minority students at Harvard etc have near perfect test scores and/or grades". Presented with evidence which shows the contrary, now you are saying.. "well, they have some other qualification like their disadvantaged background". That may well be true, or not, you have no idea what the background is of any admit, including the high scoring Asian students. But, the goal post keeps moving. Assertion: "The minority students at Harvard etc have near perfect test scores and/or grades". Evidence presented: it's not Goal post #1: 700 is not that different to 770 Evidence: that's just one section. Doubling it, 1400 is very different to 1540 Goal Post #2: "well they have other factors like disadvantaged backgrounds"... There is nothing that shows how many of those Black (or Asian or White) students are from disadvantaged backgrounds in that chart, but that's the leap you made. Also, a lot of those high scoring Asian students have leadership and great extra curriculars, too. Asian students with only great grades know their chances of getting in is slim to none since they already have a higher bar than any other group. |
I have worked with many people who are smarter/more capable than me, including interns. They may know it, but they don't act superior or disrespectful. The people who think they are smarter than me, and show it, are usually not very smart, or at least not capable of performing well in what my office does. I have absolutely seen a pattern among Ivy grads. It may be because where I work is a place many Ivy grads see as being below them, despite it being interesting work with decent pay. It's not something I am "projecting" - it's something that for example, every single person on an interview panel noticed about a particular candidate. It's people in high level leadership positions that are universally disliked because of how they treat the people they are supposed to be leading. Maybe they would be better leaders if they worked somewhere with more people they considered to be their equals. But since they don't, they do terribly. |
Because they don't apply in great numbers. If you want to talk about quota, it seems to me that Harvard has been admitting a higher % of Blacks from that group's applicant pool than Asians, by quite a lot. |
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So how many examples are you making this more generalized reasoning from??? There's going to be arrogant folks from all sorts of life. No need to link it to notions about "elite schools." |
You really don't see how arrogance might be something that occurs at a higher rate among people who went to "elite schools"? Lol |
A chart through 2013? A lot has changed since then. See SCOTUS ruling around June 2023. This aside, there are many academically qualified black students who should be admitted to Harvard and other highly selective schools. I'll defer to others to make the zero-sum arguments primarily based on standardized test scores. |
Many of these Blacks are of Nigerian and Ghanian descent or from UMC households where the families emphasize education and do take the SATs multiple times. Also, why is it always assumed that Asians are not poor. 75% of NYC specialized HS students are Asians and many of these HS (greater than 50%) are from low income households and believe me the kids are not taking SATs multiple times. Not all blacks are poor and all Asians rich. I think College Board should specify how many times kids take the SAT (and who gets accomodations) or have just one day when everyone takes it, to eliminate all this speculation. |
I'm basing it on my direct experience: I have worked with hundreds of interns/grads and don't recognize the trends others are talking about--and my colleagues don't either. We give evaluations to all these people that include things like collaboration skills, learning from feedback, contribution to the team (rated by other team members) etc. and there aren't number trends that align with that bias either. |
Okay? You don't see the trends, other people do. Nobody has done a real study on this so we'll never know. |
however, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of Asians at Harvard (and similar schools) are UMC+, not poor. Not sure how to find those data points, as I don't believe CDS breaks things down by race and SES. It would be nice if they broke down test scores/gpa by SES, as I think that is more relevant than Race. I think it would show that some of the "lower scores" do come from those kids with disadvantaged backgrounds. Once again, those "lower scores" are only slightly lower and really don't have an impact IMO. 720 vs 780 is not a huge difference |
Someone has sense and sees the truth! |
Agree 100%. |
+2 And the entire country is getting a taste of just how entitled and coddled these morons are. |