CA law looking to abolish Clear

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

+1 if the clear people just waited in line with the rest of pre-check I wouldn't care but I hate to get to the front of pre-check just to have these people cut in front. Get your own line or eliminate it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

I didn't read the bill because I don't care enough but if it does this I'm 100% for it. I have Clear but it's really not always beneficial.

It’s effectively banning it because there is no room for their own line.

Well, too bad, so sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

+1 Same philosophy as paying a toll for the express lanes.

No, tolls paid for express lanes are collected by the government and used to improve the infrastructure for all. Fees paid to Clear are used to benefit Clear and the airlines, but are relying on federally-funded services (TSA). PreCheck is like an express lane, not Clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

what is a pax?

I feel pretty certain you can use context clues to figure this out.

[Anonymous]

Clear wouldn't be banned, just have a separate line. At some airpots (Atlanta and Houston), it's already like this. Not because they were required to, but just it was easier to do it that way when the airport security area was renovated.

As a frequent flyer, Clear is usually slower than regular Pre-check during busy times, especially at IAD. At moderately busy times, Clear is faster than Precheck. At slow times, it's about the same.

[Anonymous]

It is not analogous to the toll lanes on a road. On a road I am not held up by your use of the toll road. You have a ramp to get on and it does not hold me up. In fact your use of it actually helps me. But with Clear I am forced to wait while you cut in front of me. It actually harms me (my time is wasted). It's a totally different situation.

[Anonymous]

Making Clear have its own line is an obvious solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm for it. Not sure why they are allowed to bump TSA Pre passengers who have paid TSA to be pre-cleared.

You have to have precheck as well so those people bumping you have also paid. If you have clear but not precheck you go to the regular security line.

That said I’m all for having separate lines for Clear.

[Anonymous]

Reading that the airports only have authority up until the TSA check, what is to prevent the TSA from selecting people form other lines or non clear people from just walking up to the TSA? The airport's jurisdiction over the line ends at the TSA checkpoint

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading that the airports only have authority up until the TSA check, what is to prevent the TSA from selecting people form other lines or non clear people from just walking up to the TSA? The airport's jurisdiction over the line ends at the TSA checkpoint

Airport employees/policy control the lines. TSA authority only takes over once a person gets to the desk where they check your ID and boarding pass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

[Anonymous]

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Making Clear have its own line is an obvious solution.

If they have their own line won't a worker go have to work that line, making the other lines longer anyway?/

[Anonymous]

Clear should be eliminated. These passengers should not be cutting in front of TSA Precheck.