2028 Girls Lacrosse

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why they stopped doing the two divisions. It seems like that would have eliminated some of the strength of schedule variance and leveled things out a bit. Each team plays everyone in their division, and top 4 from each go to playoffs. The same 8 teams would have likely made the playoffs but the seatings different.

1. Heroes 1. Coppermine
2. Crush. 2. M&D
3. Pride. 3. Skywalkers
4. MDU. 4. STARS
5. FCA 5. 3D
6. M&D Red 6. CC lax
7. MDU west 7. M&D west
8. MC Elite. 8. NEMS

if it’s the same eight teams either way, why does it matter?

No, it's not. MDU isn't making the playoffs this year but "could" in the above format.

In the current format, the scheduling makes far more impact where some teams play easier and some play harder. Pride is finishing 7-1 but only played 1 "top" team and lost.

A PP pointed out that Coppermine/Hero's/Crush could wind up with the 4th seed. Neither of those 3 teams are a 4 seed. Right now those are the 3 best teams and could all finish 7-1.

Pride has played a non-power 5 schedule, more like a Cincinnati or UCF football schedule. Let's see what happens when thty play the Alabama's, Georgia's or Michigan's in the playoffs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why they stopped doing the two divisions. It seems like that would have eliminated some of the strength of schedule variance and leveled things out a bit. Each team plays everyone in their division, and top 4 from each go to playoffs. The same 8 teams would have likely made the playoffs but the seatings different.

1. Heroes 1. Coppermine
2. Crush. 2. M&D
3. Pride. 3. Skywalkers
4. MDU. 4. STARS
5. FCA 5. 3D
6. M&D Red 6. CC lax
7. MDU west 7. M&D west
8. MC Elite. 8. NEMS

if it’s the same eight teams either way, why does it matter?

No, it's not. MDU isn't making the playoffs this year but "could" in the above format.

In the current format, the scheduling makes far more impact where some teams play easier and some play harder. Pride is finishing 7-1 but only played 1 "top" team and lost.

A PP pointed out that Coppermine/Hero's/Crush could wind up with the 4th seed. Neither of those 3 teams are a 4 seed. Right now those are the 3 best teams and could all finish 7-1.

Pride has played a non-power 5 schedule, more like a Cincinnati or UCF football schedule. Let's see what happens when thty play the Alabama's, Georgia's or Michigan's in the playoffs.

You mean Coppermine or Hero's? Those are the only Alabamas/Georgias/Michigans anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why they stopped doing the two divisions. It seems like that would have eliminated some of the strength of schedule variance and leveled things out a bit. Each team plays everyone in their division, and top 4 from each go to playoffs. The same 8 teams would have likely made the playoffs but the seatings different.

1. Heroes 1. Coppermine
2. Crush. 2. M&D
3. Pride. 3. Skywalkers
4. MDU. 4. STARS
5. FCA 5. 3D
6. M&D Red 6. CC lax
7. MDU west 7. M&D west
8. MC Elite. 8. NEMS

if it’s the same eight teams either way, why does it matter?

No, it's not. MDU isn't making the playoffs this year but "could" in the above format.

In the current format, the scheduling makes far more impact where some teams play easier and some play harder. Pride is finishing 7-1 but only played 1 "top" team and lost.

A PP pointed out that Coppermine/Hero's/Crush could wind up with the 4th seed. Neither of those 3 teams are a 4 seed. Right now those are the 3 best teams and could all finish 7-1.

Pride has played a non-power 5 schedule, more like a Cincinnati or UCF football schedule. Let's see what happens when thty play the Alabama's, Georgia's or Michigan's in the playoffs.

You mean Coppermine or Hero's? Those are the only Alabamas/Georgias/Michigans anymore.

^accurate. Coppermine has taken players that would usually be on Skywalkers and maybe M&D. Crush has also taken players from Skywalkers. Coppermine and Hero's have risen above the rest. M&D still gets a lot of talent, but their issues are in other major areas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Pride has the 2 seed no matter what. Loser of Coppermine and Heros has either the 3 or 4 seed based on the 3 way ties with Pride and goals against. Crush if they can hold NEMS scoreless could jump ahead of Coppermine or Heros for better GA. M&D would have to play either Coppermine, Heros or Crush first round. Tough first round.

This poster just made my long post points much more succinctly. Are you sure that's how the tiebreaker works?

But it's Star's at 6-2, not M&D that will be in the #5 slot.

I think people are incorrectly assuming head-to-head gets thrown out in a three-way tie, but that is not what the words say. There has to be a three-way tie in head-to-head (e.g., three teams are tied and head to head is the first tie breaker and all three teams have a 1-1 record against each other, so the head to head doesn't break any ties).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Pride has the 2 seed no matter what. Loser of Coppermine and Heros has either the 3 or 4 seed based on the 3 way ties with Pride and goals against. Crush if they can hold NEMS scoreless could jump ahead of Coppermine or Heros for better GA. M&D would have to play either Coppermine, Heros or Crush first round. Tough first round.

This poster just made my long post points much more succinctly. Are you sure that's how the tiebreaker works?

But it's Star's at 6-2, not M&D that will be in the #5 slot.

I think people are incorrectly assuming head-to-head gets thrown out in a three-way tie, but that is not what the words say. There has to be a three-way tie in head-to-head (e.g., three teams are tied and head to head is the first tie breaker and all three teams have a 1-1 record against each other, so the head to head doesn't break any ties).

Exactly which also makes perfect sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Pride has the 2 seed no matter what. Loser of Coppermine and Heros has either the 3 or 4 seed based on the 3 way ties with Pride and goals against. Crush if they can hold NEMS scoreless could jump ahead of Coppermine or Heros for better GA. M&D would have to play either Coppermine, Heros or Crush first round. Tough first round.

This poster just made my long post points much more succinctly. Are you sure that's how the tiebreaker works?

But it's Star's at 6-2, not M&D that will be in the #5 slot.

I think people are incorrectly assuming head-to-head gets thrown out in a three-way tie, but that is not what the words say. There has to be a three-way tie in head-to-head (e.g., three teams are tied and head to head is the first tie breaker and all three teams have a 1-1 record against each other, so the head to head doesn't break any ties).

This interpretation would differ than how every tournament tiebreaker is done when there are 3 or more teams all tied with the same record. Regardless of a 3 way tie with head to head among the 3 teams, all the tourneys throw that out and move to goals against as the tiebreaker to decide. If NGLL in fact is doing it differently, they need to be more clear on that. Pride only played Hero's so they only lose head to head to them. Based on this discussion, if Coppermine wins, Hero's would take the 2 seed ahead of Pride. Pride goes to the 3 seed with lower GA than Crush and Crush falls to 4.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Pride has the 2 seed no matter what. Loser of Coppermine and Heros has either the 3 or 4 seed based on the 3 way ties with Pride and goals against. Crush if they can hold NEMS scoreless could jump ahead of Coppermine or Heros for better GA. M&D would have to play either Coppermine, Heros or Crush first round. Tough first round.

This poster just made my long post points much more succinctly. Are you sure that's how the tiebreaker works?

But it's Star's at 6-2, not M&D that will be in the #5 slot.

I think people are incorrectly assuming head-to-head gets thrown out in a three-way tie, but that is not what the words say. There has to be a three-way tie in head-to-head (e.g., three teams are tied and head to head is the first tie breaker and all three teams have a 1-1 record against each other, so the head to head doesn't break any ties).

This interpretation would differ than how every tournament tiebreaker is done when there are 3 or more teams all tied with the same record. Regardless of a 3 way tie with head to head among the 3 teams, all the tourneys throw that out and move to goals against as the tiebreaker to decide. If NGLL in fact is doing it differently, they need to be more clear on that. Pride only played Hero's so they only lose head to head to them. Based on this discussion, if Coppermine wins, Hero's would take the 2 seed ahead of Pride. Pride goes to the 3 seed with lower GA than Crush and Crush falls to 4.

I have no idea how the other tournaments do it but to me it makes the most sense here. Coppermine and Hero’s are clearly the top two teams and have been all year. They played very difficult schedules and were each undefeated. The fact that one of them could slide to the 4th seed and Pride would take a 2nd seed (especially given their comparatively weak schedule) seems ridiculous. Regardless, so long as Coppermine and Hero’s can be seeded in brackets where they can meet in the finals, I don’t think either team cares all that much what seed you call them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Pride has the 2 seed no matter what. Loser of Coppermine and Heros has either the 3 or 4 seed based on the 3 way ties with Pride and goals against. Crush if they can hold NEMS scoreless could jump ahead of Coppermine or Heros for better GA. M&D would have to play either Coppermine, Heros or Crush first round. Tough first round.

This poster just made my long post points much more succinctly. Are you sure that's how the tiebreaker works?

But it's Star's at 6-2, not M&D that will be in the #5 slot.

I think people are incorrectly assuming head-to-head gets thrown out in a three-way tie, but that is not what the words say. There has to be a three-way tie in head-to-head (e.g., three teams are tied and head to head is the first tie breaker and all three teams have a 1-1 record against each other, so the head to head doesn't break any ties).

This interpretation would differ than how every tournament tiebreaker is done when there are 3 or more teams all tied with the same record. Regardless of a 3 way tie with head to head among the 3 teams, all the tourneys throw that out and move to goals against as the tiebreaker to decide. If NGLL in fact is doing it differently, they need to be more clear on that. Pride only played Hero's so they only lose head to head to them. Based on this discussion, if Coppermine wins, Hero's would take the 2 seed ahead of Pride. Pride goes to the 3 seed with lower GA than Crush and Crush falls to 4.

I have no idea how the other tournaments do it but to me it makes the most sense here. Coppermine and Hero’s are clearly the top two teams and have been all year. They played very difficult schedules and were each undefeated. The fact that one of them could slide to the 4th seed and Pride would take a 2nd seed (especially given their comparatively weak schedule) seems ridiculous. Regardless, so long as Coppermine and Hero’s can be seeded in brackets where they can meet in the finals, I don’t think either team cares all that much what seed you call them.

I found a NGLL document for a different tournament that explains the Head to Head tiebreaker in greater detail (see below). After reading this, it does seem the Head to Head tiebreaker would be thrown out entirely because the tied teams did not all play each other an equal number of times. So, Pride is the likely #2 seed.

"Head to Head - This breaks ties based on the record (or points, if points are
used) against the teams tied with. For example if 3 teams have the same overall
record at 4-2 and all 3 of the teams played each other an equal number of times
and one teams record against the other two was 2-0 and another was 1-1 and
the other was 0-2. This tie breaker would order them accordingly. If all three
teams had identical 1-1 records, this tie breaker would not be used.

It should be noted that this tie breaker is completely ignored if all of the teams
tied do not play each other an equal number of times. For example if there are 3
teams tied and one team played the other two, but the other two did not play
each this tie breaker will be ignored (regardless of the outcome of the two games
played by the first team)."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Pride has the 2 seed no matter what. Loser of Coppermine and Heros has either the 3 or 4 seed based on the 3 way ties with Pride and goals against. Crush if they can hold NEMS scoreless could jump ahead of Coppermine or Heros for better GA. M&D would have to play either Coppermine, Heros or Crush first round. Tough first round.

This poster just made my long post points much more succinctly. Are you sure that's how the tiebreaker works?

But it's Star's at 6-2, not M&D that will be in the #5 slot.

I think people are incorrectly assuming head-to-head gets thrown out in a three-way tie, but that is not what the words say. There has to be a three-way tie in head-to-head (e.g., three teams are tied and head to head is the first tie breaker and all three teams have a 1-1 record against each other, so the head to head doesn't break any ties).

Exactly which also makes perfect sense.

Actually it doesn't make sense. You guys are over-reading. Who is the #2 seed in the even that Hero's, Pride, and Crush all tie, and Pride has lowest goals agains, Crush second, and Hero's 3rd? By the logic above, Hero's would get the #2 seed over Pride because they won head to head, but how is that fair to Crush, who had better goals against, but didn't play them? No, if there is a three-way tie and all teams didn't play each other, head to head is thrown out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why they stopped doing the two divisions. It seems like that would have eliminated some of the strength of schedule variance and leveled things out a bit. Each team plays everyone in their division, and top 4 from each go to playoffs. The same 8 teams would have likely made the playoffs but the seatings different.

1. Heroes 1. Coppermine
2. Crush. 2. M&D
3. Pride. 3. Skywalkers
4. MDU. 4. STARS
5. FCA 5. 3D
6. M&D Red 6. CC lax
7. MDU west 7. M&D west
8. MC Elite. 8. NEMS

if it’s the same eight teams either way, why does it matter?

No, it's not. MDU isn't making the playoffs this year but "could" in the above format.

In the current format, the scheduling makes far more impact where some teams play easier and some play harder. Pride is finishing 7-1 but only played 1 "top" team and lost.

A PP pointed out that Coppermine/Hero's/Crush could wind up with the 4th seed. Neither of those 3 teams are a 4 seed. Right now those are the 3 best teams and could all finish 7-1.

Pride has played a non-power 5 schedule, more like a Cincinnati or UCF football schedule. Let's see what happens when thty play the Alabama's, Georgia's or Michigan's in the playoffs.

You mean Coppermine or Hero's? Those are the only Alabamas/Georgias/Michigans anymore.

More like Washington and Texas. Michigan comparison reserved for Eagle Stix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why they stopped doing the two divisions. It seems like that would have eliminated some of the strength of schedule variance and leveled things out a bit. Each team plays everyone in their division, and top 4 from each go to playoffs. The same 8 teams would have likely made the playoffs but the seatings different.

1. Heroes 1. Coppermine
2. Crush. 2. M&D
3. Pride. 3. Skywalkers
4. MDU. 4. STARS
5. FCA 5. 3D
6. M&D Red 6. CC lax
7. MDU west 7. M&D west
8. MC Elite. 8. NEMS

if it’s the same eight teams either way, why does it matter?

No, it's not. MDU isn't making the playoffs this year but "could" in the above format.

In the current format, the scheduling makes far more impact where some teams play easier and some play harder. Pride is finishing 7-1 but only played 1 "top" team and lost.

A PP pointed out that Coppermine/Hero's/Crush could wind up with the 4th seed. Neither of those 3 teams are a 4 seed. Right now those are the 3 best teams and could all finish 7-1.

Pride has played a non-power 5 schedule, more like a Cincinnati or UCF football schedule. Let's see what happens when thty play the Alabama's, Georgia's or Michigan's in the playoffs.

You mean Coppermine or Hero's? Those are the only Alabamas/Georgias/Michigans anymore.

More like Washington and Texas. Michigan comparison reserved for Eagle Stix.

Of course, Coppermine beat Eagle Stix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why they stopped doing the two divisions. It seems like that would have eliminated some of the strength of schedule variance and leveled things out a bit. Each team plays everyone in their division, and top 4 from each go to playoffs. The same 8 teams would have likely made the playoffs but the seatings different.

1. Heroes 1. Coppermine
2. Crush. 2. M&D
3. Pride. 3. Skywalkers
4. MDU. 4. STARS
5. FCA 5. 3D
6. M&D Red 6. CC lax
7. MDU west 7. M&D west
8. MC Elite. 8. NEMS

if it’s the same eight teams either way, why does it matter?

No, it's not. MDU isn't making the playoffs this year but "could" in the above format.

In the current format, the scheduling makes far more impact where some teams play easier and some play harder. Pride is finishing 7-1 but only played 1 "top" team and lost.

A PP pointed out that Coppermine/Hero's/Crush could wind up with the 4th seed. Neither of those 3 teams are a 4 seed. Right now those are the 3 best teams and could all finish 7-1.

Pride has played a non-power 5 schedule, more like a Cincinnati or UCF football schedule. Let's see what happens when thty play the Alabama's, Georgia's or Michigan's in the playoffs.

You mean Coppermine or Hero's? Those are the only Alabamas/Georgias/Michigans anymore.

More like Washington and Texas. Michigan comparison reserved for Eagle Stix.

Of course, Coppermine beat Eagle Stix.

Eagle Stix is #1. Coppermine is not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why they stopped doing the two divisions. It seems like that would have eliminated some of the strength of schedule variance and leveled things out a bit. Each team plays everyone in their division, and top 4 from each go to playoffs. The same 8 teams would have likely made the playoffs but the seatings different.

1. Heroes 1. Coppermine
2. Crush. 2. M&D
3. Pride. 3. Skywalkers
4. MDU. 4. STARS
5. FCA 5. 3D
6. M&D Red 6. CC lax
7. MDU west 7. M&D west
8. MC Elite. 8. NEMS

if it’s the same eight teams either way, why does it matter?

No, it's not. MDU isn't making the playoffs this year but "could" in the above format.

In the current format, the scheduling makes far more impact where some teams play easier and some play harder. Pride is finishing 7-1 but only played 1 "top" team and lost.

A PP pointed out that Coppermine/Hero's/Crush could wind up with the 4th seed. Neither of those 3 teams are a 4 seed. Right now those are the 3 best teams and could all finish 7-1.

Pride has played a non-power 5 schedule, more like a Cincinnati or UCF football schedule. Let's see what happens when thty play the Alabama's, Georgia's or Michigan's in the playoffs.

You mean Coppermine or Hero's? Those are the only Alabamas/Georgias/Michigans anymore.

More like Washington and Texas. Michigan comparison reserved for Eagle Stix.

Of course, Coppermine beat Eagle Stix.

Eagle Stix is #1. Coppermine is not.

Yes. And your team is neither.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why they stopped doing the two divisions. It seems like that would have eliminated some of the strength of schedule variance and leveled things out a bit. Each team plays everyone in their division, and top 4 from each go to playoffs. The same 8 teams would have likely made the playoffs but the seatings different.

1. Heroes 1. Coppermine
2. Crush. 2. M&D
3. Pride. 3. Skywalkers
4. MDU. 4. STARS
5. FCA 5. 3D
6. M&D Red 6. CC lax
7. MDU west 7. M&D west
8. MC Elite. 8. NEMS

if it’s the same eight teams either way, why does it matter?

No, it's not. MDU isn't making the playoffs this year but "could" in the above format.

In the current format, the scheduling makes far more impact where some teams play easier and some play harder. Pride is finishing 7-1 but only played 1 "top" team and lost.

A PP pointed out that Coppermine/Hero's/Crush could wind up with the 4th seed. Neither of those 3 teams are a 4 seed. Right now those are the 3 best teams and could all finish 7-1.

Pride has played a non-power 5 schedule, more like a Cincinnati or UCF football schedule. Let's see what happens when thty play the Alabama's, Georgia's or Michigan's in the playoffs.

You mean Coppermine or Hero's? Those are the only Alabamas/Georgias/Michigans anymore.

More like Washington and Texas. Michigan comparison reserved for Eagle Stix.

Of course, Coppermine beat Eagle Stix.

Eagle Stix is #1. Coppermine is not.

Coppermine beat Eagle stix when it counted for the NGLL championship.

/end thread

[Anonymous]

Eagle Stix is #1. Coppermine is not