2028 Girls Lacrosse

[Anonymous]

Well, I’d say there is a Hell of a lot riding on that Hero’s/Coppermine game next Saturday.

[Anonymous]

What happened with Coppermine and Stars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Not so fast my friend, one contingency and one question on how the tiebreaker is applied.

But first, you have the right teams for #s 5-8, but pretty clear that Stars will beat Integrity and finish 6-2 for the #5 seed; M&D Black really should beat CCL and lead the 5-3 teams at #6; I don't see any way that Sky Walkers loses to FCA, and they have allowed fewer goals against going in, so they will finish #7, and then FCA squeaks in at #8.

Top four are really interesting. Coppermine and Hero's playing for the title at 7-0. Pride (24 Goals Against) and Crush (30 Goals Against) sitting at 6-1. Both Pride and Crush should win out playing teams at the bottom of the standings. What gets interesting is how tiebreaker will be applied:

--Hero's Green loses--3-way tie at 7-1. Hero's has head to head win over Pride. Pride likely to finish with lowest Goals Against. Hero's Green and Crush didn't play each other, and Hero's has a 6-goal lead in Goals Against against them. But Hero's plays Coppermine which averages over 11 goals a game, so if they lose, they will have most likely given up 7 or more goals. Meanwhile, Crush can blank or hold NEMS to a goal or two fairly easily.


--Coppermine loses--3 way tie at 7-1. Coppermine has head to head win over Crush. Pride has a six goal lead in goals against and is unlikely to relinquish that playing MD United West, and with Coppermine playing Hero's. Same facts re possibility of Crush overtaking Coppermine in Goals Against.

So, it comes down to how the tiebreaker is applied. The NGLL Rules state:

"2. Head to Head Competition (if there is a three way tie in head to head competition, that tiebreaker is thrown out).
3. Goals allowed vs. in-division opponents"

The rules do not explicitly state what happens if there is a three-way tie, but not all the teams have played each other. Does anyone know how this works in practice? If Head to Head is thrown out, then Pride will almost certainly be the #2 seed in either scenario. The would seem strange in the event that Hero's is 3rd and beat Pride, but it appears that they have to throw out Head to Head to be fair to the team that didn't play either of the others...

So, my guess is that they will go to Goals Against for the 3-way tie at seed #s 2-4, and the results could end up being: #2 Pride; #3 Crush; and #4 Coppermine/Hero's. Rough opener for Stars if this is accurate.

Please correct me if I'm wrong and you have better info on the application of the tiebreakers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Pride has the 2 seed no matter what. Loser of Coppermine and Heros has either the 3 or 4 seed based on the 3 way ties with Pride and goals against. Crush if they can hold NEMS scoreless could jump ahead of Coppermine or Heros for better GA. M&D would have to play either Coppermine, Heros or Crush first round. Tough first round.

This poster just made my long post points much more succinctly. Are you sure that's how the tiebreaker works?

But it's Star's at 6-2, not M&D that will be in the #5 slot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What happened with Coppermine and Stars?

11-4 Coppermine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Not so fast my friend, one contingency and one question on how the tiebreaker is applied.

But first, you have the right teams for #s 5-8, but pretty clear that Stars will beat Integrity and finish 6-2 for the #5 seed; M&D Black really should beat CCL and lead the 5-3 teams at #6; I don't see any way that Sky Walkers loses to FCA, and they have allowed fewer goals against going in, so they will finish #7, and then FCA squeaks in at #8.

Top four are really interesting. Coppermine and Hero's playing for the title at 7-0. Pride (24 Goals Against) and Crush (30 Goals Against) sitting at 6-1. Both Pride and Crush should win out playing teams at the bottom of the standings. What gets interesting is how tiebreaker will be applied:

--Hero's Green loses--3-way tie at 7-1. Hero's has head to head win over Pride. Pride likely to finish with lowest Goals Against. Hero's Green and Crush didn't play each other, and Hero's has a 6-goal lead in Goals Against against them. But Hero's plays Coppermine which averages over 11 goals a game, so if they lose, they will have most likely given up 7 or more goals. Meanwhile, Crush can blank or hold NEMS to a goal or two fairly easily.


--Coppermine loses--3 way tie at 7-1. Coppermine has head to head win over Crush. Pride has a six goal lead in goals against and is unlikely to relinquish that playing MD United West, and with Coppermine playing Hero's. Same facts re possibility of Crush overtaking Coppermine in Goals Against.

So, it comes down to how the tiebreaker is applied. The NGLL Rules state:

"2. Head to Head Competition (if there is a three way tie in head to head competition, that tiebreaker is thrown out).
3. Goals allowed vs. in-division opponents"

The rules do not explicitly state what happens if there is a three-way tie, but not all the teams have played each other. Does anyone know how this works in practice? If Head to Head is thrown out, then Pride will almost certainly be the #2 seed in either scenario. The would seem strange in the event that Hero's is 3rd and beat Pride, but it appears that they have to throw out Head to Head to be fair to the team that didn't play either of the others...

So, my guess is that they will go to Goals Against for the 3-way tie at seed #s 2-4, and the results could be end up being: #2 Pride; #3 Crush; and #4 Coppermine/Hero's. Rough opener for Stars if this is accurate.

Please correct me if I'm wrong and you have better info on the application of the tiebreakers.

Good stuff here. Almost a nascent data guy.

[Anonymous]

Crush or Pride should consider losing their final game to guarantee a matchup with Stars in the battle of the 6-2s. The other options, M&D Black or Sky Walkers, are worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crush or Pride should consider losing their final game to guarantee a matchup with Stars in the battle of the 6-2s. The other options, M&D Black or Sky Walkers, are worse.

Pride will have the benefit of playing the last game with playoff implications at 12:00PM Sunday. They will know exactly what needs to be done to get the best first round draw.

[Anonymous]

None of these teams are going to lose a game on purpose so they can play what is perceived to be an easier first round opponent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Official lines based on new US Club Lacrosse ratings:

Hero's Green -5.1 vs Sky Walkers
Hero's Green -12.1 vs NEMS
Coppermine -6.7 vs Stars
M&D Black -16.6 vs MC Elite
Crush -4.0 vs CCLax
Pride -9.0 vs Integrity
MD United East -2.9 vs M&D Red
CCLax -3.4 vs Hero's White
3d Maryland -1.6 vs MD United West
FCA -1.4 vs M&D West
Integrity -6.1 vs MC Elite

I’m most interested to see how MD United East bounces back this week

Final was MDU 7, M&D Red 5. MDU was probably hoping for a more convincing win to build back their confidence. But you have to give it to M&D Red for continuing to outperform. I would love to see them play against Stars and Pride. I suspect they would beat one or both of those teams the way they are playing recently.

Stars had played them three times this year and has beaten them every time

[Anonymous]

Then I guess M&D Red is due for a win then…..even the Nationals will win a game in a four game series.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of these teams are going to lose a game on purpose so they can play what is perceived to be an easier first round opponent.

Totally. No sports team has ever tank to gain an advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Not so fast my friend, one contingency and one question on how the tiebreaker is applied.

But first, you have the right teams for #s 5-8, but pretty clear that Stars will beat Integrity and finish 6-2 for the #5 seed; M&D Black really should beat CCL and lead the 5-3 teams at #6; I don't see any way that Sky Walkers loses to FCA, and they have allowed fewer goals against going in, so they will finish #7, and then FCA squeaks in at #8.

Top four are really interesting. Coppermine and Hero's playing for the title at 7-0. Pride (24 Goals Against) and Crush (30 Goals Against) sitting at 6-1. Both Pride and Crush should win out playing teams at the bottom of the standings. What gets interesting is how tiebreaker will be applied:

--Hero's Green loses--3-way tie at 7-1. Hero's has head to head win over Pride. Pride likely to finish with lowest Goals Against. Hero's Green and Crush didn't play each other, and Hero's has a 6-goal lead in Goals Against against them. But Hero's plays Coppermine which averages over 11 goals a game, so if they lose, they will have most likely given up 7 or more goals. Meanwhile, Crush can blank or hold NEMS to a goal or two fairly easily.


--Coppermine loses--3 way tie at 7-1. Coppermine has head to head win over Crush. Pride has a six goal lead in goals against and is unlikely to relinquish that playing MD United West, and with Coppermine playing Hero's. Same facts re possibility of Crush overtaking Coppermine in Goals Against.

So, it comes down to how the tiebreaker is applied. The NGLL Rules state:

"2. Head to Head Competition (if there is a three way tie in head to head competition, that tiebreaker is thrown out).
3. Goals allowed vs. in-division opponents"

The rules do not explicitly state what happens if there is a three-way tie, but not all the teams have played each other. Does anyone know how this works in practice? If Head to Head is thrown out, then Pride will almost certainly be the #2 seed in either scenario. The would seem strange in the event that Hero's is 3rd and beat Pride, but it appears that they have to throw out Head to Head to be fair to the team that didn't play either of the others...

So, my guess is that they will go to Goals Against for the 3-way tie at seed #s 2-4, and the results could be end up being: #2 Pride; #3 Crush; and #4 Coppermine/Hero's. Rough opener for Stars if this is accurate.

Please correct me if I'm wrong and you have better info on the application of the tiebreakers.

Good stuff here. Almost a nascent data guy.

Alas, it was I.

[Anonymous]

I can’t believe how informative this forum is at times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like Pride may take 2nd in NGLL. Loser of Coppermine-Heroes will be third. Crush has 4th sewn up. If Stars beats Integrity they should have 5th. And M&D Black, FCA and Skywalkers have 6-8. Looks like some great playoff match ups in Round 1.

Not so fast my friend, one contingency and one question on how the tiebreaker is applied.

But first, you have the right teams for #s 5-8, but pretty clear that Stars will beat Integrity and finish 6-2 for the #5 seed; M&D Black really should beat CCL and lead the 5-3 teams at #6; I don't see any way that Sky Walkers loses to FCA, and they have allowed fewer goals against going in, so they will finish #7, and then FCA squeaks in at #8.

Top four are really interesting. Coppermine and Hero's playing for the title at 7-0. Pride (24 Goals Against) and Crush (30 Goals Against) sitting at 6-1. Both Pride and Crush should win out playing teams at the bottom of the standings. What gets interesting is how tiebreaker will be applied:

--Hero's Green loses--3-way tie at 7-1. Hero's has head to head win over Pride. Pride likely to finish with lowest Goals Against. Hero's Green and Crush didn't play each other, and Hero's has a 6-goal lead in Goals Against against them. But Hero's plays Coppermine which averages over 11 goals a game, so if they lose, they will have most likely given up 7 or more goals. Meanwhile, Crush can blank or hold NEMS to a goal or two fairly easily.


--Coppermine loses--3 way tie at 7-1. Coppermine has head to head win over Crush. Pride has a six goal lead in goals against and is unlikely to relinquish that playing MD United West, and with Coppermine playing Hero's. Same facts re possibility of Crush overtaking Coppermine in Goals Against.

So, it comes down to how the tiebreaker is applied. The NGLL Rules state:

"2. Head to Head Competition (if there is a three way tie in head to head competition, that tiebreaker is thrown out).
3. Goals allowed vs. in-division opponents"

The rules do not explicitly state what happens if there is a three-way tie, but not all the teams have played each other. Does anyone know how this works in practice? If Head to Head is thrown out, then Pride will almost certainly be the #2 seed in either scenario. The would seem strange in the event that Hero's is 3rd and beat Pride, but it appears that they have to throw out Head to Head to be fair to the team that didn't play either of the others...

So, my guess is that they will go to Goals Against for the 3-way tie at seed #s 2-4, and the results could be end up being: #2 Pride; #3 Crush; and #4 Coppermine/Hero's. Rough opener for Stars if this is accurate.

Please correct me if I'm wrong and you have better info on the application of the tiebreakers.

Good stuff here. Almost a nascent data guy.

Alas, it was I.

I thought I recognized some DG!