s/o New understanding of Harry & Meghan

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on another forum, and on a thread about Kate/photoshop pic there is one person who continually just posts anti H+M stuff. Calling them (us? the public?) hypocrites because meghan lightens her skin or something. Like it's this persons JOB to turn every mildly negative conversation about BRF/W+K into an attack on H+M. So bizarre.

I always believed that the BRF planted stories about H+M and have been manipulating the press behind the scenes. It's even more clear now.

This is absolutely true.

I’ve seen that on other threads about royals here too. One woman would report anything remotely negative no matter how mild. Like I once said that something about them looking unhappy or wondered if one of them was unhappy with the other. NBD comments and she’d report them on rapid fire. So. Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

Seemed comparable to what W&K got though no?

What W&K got wasn’t similar to Frogmore House?

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

What DC rowhouse has ten bedrooms?

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

Seemed comparable to what W&K got though no?

What W&K got wasn’t similar to Frogmore House?

I'm asking. I vaguely remember W&Ks first house together being described as quaint and needing some repairs.

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Anonymous wrote:I think M and H were jealous they didn’t receive the household budget that W&K did. He mentions it several times in the book - how much nicer Will’s house and furnishings are. But I don’t think it bothered Harry until Meghan came along.

Come on, if a parent treat 2 kids differently, do you expect they not be upset?

In that family? It’s pretty standard for the heir. They were given Frogmore and the honor a royal tour. Which they then acted like was a huge imposition.

Frogmore, the house that requires a full gut job and renovation. The costs in which Harry and Meghan paid, and they still don’t get the use of.

In contrast, look at the huge house Princess Anne was given when she got married, same for Edward and Andrew. None of these people were heirs but the Queen gave them huge properties when they got married. Giving Harry Frogmore was an intentional slight for choosing a biracial wife. If she had been white, he would have been given a nicer home.

The comparison isn't Harry to Anne, it's Harry to his other cousins. What did Beatrice, Eugenie, Peter, Zara, etc get from the queen when they got married? Anne is a child of the monarch, the rest are all grandchildren. I don't think any of them got sweeping estates.

I think that Peter and Zara have houses on Anne’s estate. I also think that Anne owns Gatcombe Park outright, so presumably Peter and Zara are in a position to inherit it.

I get making the comparison of Harry to his cousins, but keep in mind too, that Harry was a full time working Royal, and his wife Meghan was expected to be as well — unlike Harry’s cousins and their spouses. While his cousins had opportunities to create their own careers and income, Harry and Meghan were expected to represent the crown for life. Given the enormous and presumably life-long restrictions that went along with that, it stands out—to me, at least — that Harry and Meghan were treated quite differently from the other working royals, starting with their housing.

I hope that they were repaid all that they spent to renovate Frogmore Cottage.

Well, now compare Charles to his siblings. Is it Even Steven? This is Harry's world, how did he not anticipate how this would go? And I wound't say "quite differently" they all live with their parents or in much less desirable housing than what Harry had.

No, it wasn’t even, and I doubt that Harry expected that it would be, given that William would be expected to have access to properties as the eventual Prince of Wales and future King. He probably did anticipate that when he married he would get the sort of housing that other full time working royals in his family were given when they married. Why would he imagine that he’d be treated differently?

As to the next bit, please elaborate. Harry had temporary use of a tiny cottage at Kensington palace (which at different points William and other families also used). And a ramshackle group of houses scheduled for renovations, which he and Meghan renovated back into a single family home. If you’re going to talk about the “much less desirable housing” of his cousins, it would help a lot if you could be more specific — especially when “live with their parents” can mean having an enormous house on the grounds of an even more enormous estate.

The other FT working royals were children of the Queen. Harry is not, he was a grandson. He got what other grandchildren got who weren't his brother.

Beatrice bought her own house and Eugenie doesn't even live in the UK. Peter and Zara live on their mother's property and Edward's kids are minors, set to get nothing when they marry.

Edward and Sophie don’t even own the estate they’re living on. It’s just on a long lease.

It’s a very long lease owned by the monarch. That’s true too of the property where Andrew lives. And “long” in this case can mean multiple decades, with their kids inheriting the lease. Payments are definitely not market value. At least with Queen Elizabeth, it was a way to “gift” her kids and grandkids with palatial living spaces, with lifetime-length, relatively low cost leases.

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

Seemed comparable to what W&K got though no?

What W&K got wasn’t similar to Frogmore House?

I'm asking. I vaguely remember W&Ks first house together being described as quaint and needing some repairs.

I think their first place was the small Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace, where Harry later lived. They lived there while their mansion sized apartment at Kensington Palace was being renovated, and the enormous Anmer Hall — their country property, was being renovated. They also have Adelaide Cottage near Windsor Castle, and a property at Balmoral. Those are just the bigger ones that I’m aware of. I’ll post a link if I can find something quickly.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a41196424/kate-middleton-prince-william-houses-homes-castles/

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Anonymous wrote:Harry was set to get Clarence House.

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/3801756/prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-residence-clarence-house/

Maybe. While it would be great if that were the case, the Sun, quoting the Mail on Sunday, attributing this to unnamed sources is not as convincing as it could be.

You are right they were supposed to live in horrible Frogmore forever.

Actually the point was that Frog more was supposed to be their cute little newlywed starter home/pied a terre and they would get a bigger place in time.

But they were impatient.

“Impatient “ about what, exactly?

Getting an upgrade. Probably after they were married for a few years, probably once Charles became king, but Harry had a tantrum and here we are.

Didn’t W+K get all the real estate goodies immediately?

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

What DC rowhouse has ten bedrooms?

Frogmore cottage has about 5 bedrooms — after being renovated from 5 small 2 bedroom homes. Reportedly. I’d be interested in knowing if the renovations returned the property back to its original floor plan.

DP There may be a few. Logan Circle comes to mind. The 3 story row house my Mom lived in as a child had 6, I think, so a renovated version, especially with a ground floor instead of a cellar, might get close. I just know old NW though. I’m guessing that some row houses in areas where land was less expensive or rooms were smaller might have had 4 bedrooms on each floor rather than 3. Actually, maybe my grandparents had more than 6 rooms. My mom had 2 brothers and her grandmother lived with them, and I know that after an emergency (I think a fire at a fraternity), the family took in a small number of students for a few years.

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Anonymous wrote:The Queen bought a property for Anne from her own fortune. Charles had his duchy for 40+ years and could have bought a property for Harry similarly, knowing the rest of the realm eventually belonged to his other son.

And he probably would have, if his son stuck around.

They were given their homes as wedding gifts. Harry was in at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry was set to get Clarence House.

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/3801756/prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-residence-clarence-house/

Maybe. While it would be great if that were the case, the Sun, quoting the Mail on Sunday, attributing this to unnamed sources is not as convincing as it could be.

You are right they were supposed to live in horrible Frogmore forever.

Actually the point was that Frog more was supposed to be their cute little newlywed starter home/pied a terre and they would get a bigger place in time.

But they were impatient.

“Impatient “ about what, exactly?

Getting an upgrade. Probably after they were married for a few years, probably once Charles became king, but Harry had a tantrum and here we are.

Didn’t W+K get all the real estate goodies immediately?

Yes, but the two large properties— at Kensington Palace and Anmer Hall were both renovated, so they didn’t move in immediately.

Harry and Meghan initially rented a place in the Cotswolds, after they married, but left because of press/photographers intrusions.

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Anonymous wrote:The Queen bought a property for Anne from her own fortune. Charles had his duchy for 40+ years and could have bought a property for Harry similarly, knowing the rest of the realm eventually belonged to his other son.

And he probably would have, if his son stuck around.

They were given their homes as wedding gifts. Harry was in at that point.

His father was not king at the time. This is really easy to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

Seemed comparable to what W&K got though no?

What W&K got wasn’t similar to Frogmore House?

I'm asking. I vaguely remember W&Ks first house together being described as quaint and needing some repairs.

I think their first place was the small Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace, where Harry later lived. They lived there while their mansion sized apartment at Kensington Palace was being renovated, and the enormous Anmer Hall — their country property, was being renovated. They also have Adelaide Cottage near Windsor Castle, and a property at Balmoral. Those are just the bigger ones that I’m aware of. I’ll post a link if I can find something quickly.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a41196424/kate-middleton-prince-william-houses-homes-castles/

Holy sh*t.
H & M have nothing of the kind!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

Seemed comparable to what W&K got though no?

What W&K got wasn’t similar to Frogmore House?

I'm asking. I vaguely remember W&Ks first house together being described as quaint and needing some repairs.

I think their first place was the small Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace, where Harry later lived. They lived there while their mansion sized apartment at Kensington Palace was being renovated, and the enormous Anmer Hall — their country property, was being renovated. They also have Adelaide Cottage near Windsor Castle, and a property at Balmoral. Those are just the bigger ones that I’m aware of. I’ll post a link if I can find something quickly.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a41196424/kate-middleton-prince-william-houses-homes-castles/

Holy sh*t.
H & M have nothing of the kind!

It pays to be loyal to the crown.

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Anonymous wrote:How is Frogmore so awful? I’d be happy to live there. Sign me up!

To me. Frogmore Cottage looked like one those old DC row house that have good bones, but was not properly maintained, so require a lot of work to make it liveable.

Seemed comparable to what W&K got though no?

What W&K got wasn’t similar to Frogmore House?

I'm asking. I vaguely remember W&Ks first house together being described as quaint and needing some repairs.

I think their first place was the small Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace, where Harry later lived. They lived there while their mansion sized apartment at Kensington Palace was being renovated, and the enormous Anmer Hall — their country property, was being renovated. They also have Adelaide Cottage near Windsor Castle, and a property at Balmoral. Those are just the bigger ones that I’m aware of. I’ll post a link if I can find something quickly.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/celebs/a41196424/kate-middleton-prince-william-houses-homes-castles/

No it was somewhere else out in the country like Wales or Scotland or something..

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Anonymous wrote:The Queen bought a property for Anne from her own fortune. Charles had his duchy for 40+ years and could have bought a property for Harry similarly, knowing the rest of the realm eventually belonged to his other son.

And he probably would have, if his son stuck around.

They were given their homes as wedding gifts. Harry was in at that point.

His father was not king at the time. This is really easy to understand.

Nah. His father was rich as the prince of wales. Lots of rich people give their kids homes as wedding gifts. The point above was that Elizabeth bought a new property to give to Anne as a wedding gift. Charles had the money, it wasn’t like his hands were tied until he became king.