Jeff may have blood in his hands if there is another zoo shooting next year

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting how this GUN violence has not sparked a conversation about GUN CONTROL. Rather than focusing on GUN CONTROL (as is the case around here when the perps are white), folks want to ask what the AA community is doing about the problem. Damn hypocrites.

I'd love to see enhanced gun control. I'd also like to see MPD and federal police using stop and frisk.

They already do this. The problem is that they mainly target minorities.

In DC that would mean Caucasians.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting how this GUN violence has not sparked a conversation about GUN CONTROL. Rather than focusing on GUN CONTROL (as is the case around here when the perps are white), folks want to ask what the AA community is doing about the problem. Damn hypocrites.

I'd love to see enhanced gun control. I'd also like to see MPD and federal police using stop and frisk.

They already do this. The problem is that they mainly target minorities.

In DC that would mean Caucasians.

Oh, please with the victimhood bs.

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Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting how this GUN violence has not sparked a conversation about GUN CONTROL. Rather than focusing on GUN CONTROL (as is the case around here when the perps are white), folks want to ask what the AA community is doing about the problem. Damn hypocrites.

I'd love to see enhanced gun control. I'd also like to see MPD and federal police using stop and frisk.

They already do this. The problem is that they mainly target minorities.

People like Sharpton and DiBlasio may believe this, but respected police chiefs say it isn't so. It's an effective crime fighting technique and should have been used at the zoo and environs.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting how this GUN violence has not sparked a conversation about GUN CONTROL. Rather than focusing on GUN CONTROL (as is the case around here when the perps are white), folks want to ask what the AA community is doing about the problem. Damn hypocrites.

I'd love to see enhanced gun control. I'd also like to see MPD and federal police using stop and frisk.

They already do this. The problem is that they mainly target minorities.

In DC that would mean Caucasians.

For a few minutes more, African-Americans will remain as the majority race in DC. In 2012, 50.1% of the city's population was African American, down from 50.7% in 2010 We are moving towards becoming a city where there is no majority race.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Jeff, here's something I don't understand. You delete posts with racial undertones (sometimes overreacting, I'd say, but that's a different discussion), arguably in the name of civic discourse, yet here you are making fun of neighbors who have experienced two violent incidents in a week.

What's about non-nonchalantly telling folks to take Valium after there are at least two confirmed shootings and zoo closings and the police finds spent bullets near a crowded hotel and an elementary school?

Under what kind of moral compass are you operating? I am a minority, and would happily take a harsh comment (heck, someone just mistook me for a delivery man because of my skin color) over a bullet every single day of the week.

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At least the police know when to come to the zoo with their guns ready --- Easter Monday.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting how this GUN violence has not sparked a conversation about GUN CONTROL. Rather than focusing on GUN CONTROL (as is the case around here when the perps are white), folks want to ask what the AA community is doing about the problem. Damn hypocrites.

I'd love to see enhanced gun control. I'd also like to see MPD and federal police using stop and frisk.

They already do this. The problem is that they mainly target minorities.

In DC that would mean Caucasians.

For a few minutes more, African-Americans will remain as the majority race in DC. In 2012, 50.1% of the city's population was African American, down from 50.7% in 2010 We are moving towards becoming a city where there is no majority race.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html

Amazing what gentrification and pushing folks out of their homes will do! This is a great triumph for yuppies and hipsters!!

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

I understand your angst because that is your neighborhhod. But I would hardly say that violent crime is an "epidemic" in Woodley Park. You have one instance where someone randomly shot - no indicated target. And the incident this week involved people from outside Woodley Park targeting people from outside Woodley Park. That could have have happened anywhere where these two bumped into each other. I am all for getting on top of things and making sure that the folks in Woodley Park feel relatively safe. What I do not agree with is flooding the zone there to the detriment of the police resources being dedicated to my neighborhood.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

I understand your angst because that is your neighborhhod. But I would hardly say that violent crime is an "epidemic" in Woodley Park. You have one instance where someone randomly shot - no indicated target. And the incident this week involved people from outside Woodley Park targeting people from outside Woodley Park. That could have have happened anywhere where these two bumped into each other. I am all for getting on top of things and making sure that the folks in Woodley Park feel relatively safe. What I do not agree with is flooding the zone there to the detriment of the police resources being dedicated to my neighborhood.

Sorry, but when gang-bangers and other hoodlums appropriate a safe, family-oriented neighborhood -- and the National Zoo of all places on "family day: -- to fight their battles, then it's a big problem for which a zero tolerance approach is needed. This is basic policing strategy. I find it surprising that anyone could object to that concept. I disagree with open carry and stand your ground laws, but when people start to feel unsafe in their neighborhoods and that the local police can't -- or won't -- do something about it, you can see how political support for these measures builds.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting how this GUN violence has not sparked a conversation about GUN CONTROL. Rather than focusing on GUN CONTROL (as is the case around here when the perps are white), folks want to ask what the AA community is doing about the problem. Damn hypocrites.

I'd love to see enhanced gun control. I'd also like to see MPD and federal police using stop and frisk.

They already do this. The problem is that they mainly target minorities.

In DC that would mean Caucasians.

For a few minutes more, African-Americans will remain as the majority race in DC. In 2012, 50.1% of the city's population was African American, down from 50.7% in 2010 We are moving towards becoming a city where there is no majority race.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html

Amazing what gentrification and pushing folks out of their homes will do! This is a great triumph for yuppies and hipsters!!

We are all better with the gentrifiers of today, who bring improved schools and increased property prices and government budgets, than with the anti-gentrifiers of the 60s who brought crime and violence and drove over 100,000 Washingtonians away.

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Jeff, here's something I don't understand. You delete posts with racial undertones (sometimes overreacting, I'd say, but that's a different discussion), arguably in the name of civic discourse, yet here you are making fun of neighbors who have experienced two violent incidents in a week.

What's about non-nonchalantly telling folks to take Valium after there are at least two confirmed shootings and zoo closings and the police finds spent bullets near a crowded hotel and an elementary school?

Under what kind of moral compass are you operating? I am a minority, and would happily take a harsh comment (heck, someone just mistook me for a delivery man because of my skin color) over a bullet every single day of the week.

The people that I suggested should take a valium would have you stop and frisked if they had their way. As long as you are good with that, I'll accept your admonishment. But, I think it is perfectly fine to be upset when multiple posters attack me for something I did not say. That is especially true when those posters are making statements that simply aren't true. I think the poster who started this thread accusing me of having blood on my hands is way, way, out of line. I think making fun of such a person is a lot better than some of the alternatives I considered. The same goes for those posters who appear to support the original poster. And, yes, a great number of posters in this thread could use a sedative. You don't create good public policy through hysteria and inciting mobs.

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Jeff, here's something I don't understand. You delete posts with racial undertones (sometimes overreacting, I'd say, but that's a different discussion), arguably in the name of civic discourse, yet here you are making fun of neighbors who have experienced two violent incidents in a week.

What's about non-nonchalantly telling folks to take Valium after there are at least two confirmed shootings and zoo closings and the police finds spent bullets near a crowded hotel and an elementary school?

Under what kind of moral compass are you operating? I am a minority, and would happily take a harsh comment (heck, someone just mistook me for a delivery man because of my skin color) over a bullet every single day of the week.

The people that I suggested should take a valium would have you stop and frisked if they had their way. As long as you are good with that, I'll accept your admonishment. But, I think it is perfectly fine to be upset when multiple posters attack me for something I did not say. That is especially true when those posters are making statements that simply aren't true. I think the poster who started this thread accusing me of having blood on my hands is way, way, out of line. I think making fun of such a person is a lot better than some of the alternatives I considered. The same goes for those posters who appear to support the original poster. And, yes, a great number of posters in this thread could use a sedative. You don't create good public policy through hysteria and inciting mobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting how this GUN violence has not sparked a conversation about GUN CONTROL. Rather than focusing on GUN CONTROL (as is the case around here when the perps are white), folks want to ask what the AA community is doing about the problem. Damn hypocrites.

I'd love to see enhanced gun control. I'd also like to see MPD and federal police using stop and frisk.

They already do this. The problem is that they mainly target minorities.

In DC that would mean Caucasians.

For a few minutes more, African-Americans will remain as the majority race in DC. In 2012, 50.1% of the city's population was African American, down from 50.7% in 2010 We are moving towards becoming a city where there is no majority race.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html

Amazing what gentrification and pushing folks out of their homes will do! This is a great triumph for yuppies and hipsters!!

We are all better with the gentrifiers of today, who bring improved schools and increased property prices and government budgets, than with the anti-gentrifiers of the 60s who brought crime and violence and drove over 100,000 Washingtonians away.

You mean white flight? You mean blacks who were forced to live in the city because of redlining? You mean the introduction of drugs into poor black communities?

You're clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

I understand your angst because that is your neighborhhod. But I would hardly say that violent crime is an "epidemic" in Woodley Park. You have one instance where someone randomly shot - no indicated target. And the incident this week involved people from outside Woodley Park targeting people from outside Woodley Park. That could have have happened anywhere where these two bumped into each other. I am all for getting on top of things and making sure that the folks in Woodley Park feel relatively safe. What I do not agree with is flooding the zone there to the detriment of the police resources being dedicated to my neighborhood.

Sorry, but when gang-bangers and other hoodlums appropriate a safe, family-oriented neighborhood -- and the National Zoo of all places on "family day: -- to fight their battles, then it's a big problem for which a zero tolerance approach is needed. This is basic policing strategy. I find it surprising that anyone could object to that concept. I disagree with open carry and stand your ground laws, but when people start to feel unsafe in their neighborhoods and that the local police can't -- or won't -- do something about it, you can see how political support for these measures builds.

Your choice of words is telling. What DC neighborhood isn't "family-oriented"? What makes Woodley Park so special? Paying tons of money for your 300 square foot house doesn't entitle you to be any more safe than folks who live in other areas of DC.