By Show of Hands...How Many of Your Schools Have Had Teachers Leave Already?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:10/01/2015 19:29, you are so naïve. You think the parents will stay home with their kids? No, the parents leave them at home and go to work because if they don't they get fired. If the people in the neighborhood are lucky, the kid stays home and plays video games all day (and then brags about it at school the next day). If the people in the neighborhood are unlucky, that kid goes out on the street and breaks windows all day.

Most of these urban parents (moms because dads simply are not present) do not have jobs. There is no "work" to miss. Generational welfare and many of these families consist of one mom and 10 or so children. Let's not pretend that mom is working and that there is even a dad.

There is no respoect for education. period. When you can sling drugs and scratch out life in welfare, that is the future they look forward to.

Educate yourself, PP.

http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/five-media-myths-about-welfare/

[Anonymous]

I think I've written more about violence in the classroom than anyone especially over the last two years. It's all over my book Don't Make the Black Kids Angry. And my youtube channel.

Colin Flaherty

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think I've written more about violence in the classroom than anyone especially over the last two years. It's all over my book Don't Make the Black Kids Angry. And my youtube channel.

Colin Flaherty

Overgeneralize much?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think I've written more about violence in the classroom than anyone especially over the last two years. It's all over my book Don't Make the Black Kids Angry. And my youtube channel.

Colin Flaherty

Never heard of you before, Colin, but did a quick google search and discovered that you, your book "Don't Make the Black Kids Angry" (which I thought was a hoax title) and the youtube channel are all very real.

Just wondering if you're familiar with DC Public Schools and what you're solution would be to this problem. The students are violent against each other, the teachers...ZERO respect for anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:10/01/2015 19:29, you are so naïve. You think the parents will stay home with their kids? No, the parents leave them at home and go to work because if they don't they get fired. If the people in the neighborhood are lucky, the kid stays home and plays video games all day (and then brags about it at school the next day). If the people in the neighborhood are unlucky, that kid goes out on the street and breaks windows all day.

Most of these urban parents (moms because dads simply are not present) do not have jobs. There is no "work" to miss. Generational welfare and many of these families consist of one mom and 10 or so children. Let's not pretend that mom is working and that there is even a dad.

There is no respoect for education. period. When you can sling drugs and scratch out life in welfare, that is the future they look forward to.

You are so off base. Those are not the only kids with problems in school.

NP here. And I didn't take PP's post in that way at all. I don't think the PP is saying that every kid who misbehaves has an unemployed welfare mother or that all welfare mothers have poorly behaved kids. However, s/he is correct that most of the kids who come to school, disrupt learning and create havoc do largely come from that stereotypical family. You must not be a DC teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I clicked on this thread after reading it on the homepage. It's really disheartening. As one teacher said the difficulty is "in DC where students do not respect education & make teaching and learning difficult" but that can also be attributed to DCPS and DC govt failing them at a young age. The support systems needed is staggering. It seems like there is a pervasive and crippling hopelessness.

NO, their parents have failed them. It is not the governments job to teach children morals and values, this happens at home. Until this is acknowledged and confronted head on, then nothing will change.

I agree with you 200%. It's a parenting failure. However, the schools continue to fail these kids by not providing consequences for their behavior. Student cusses out or assaults teacher? Well you're the educated adult; understand where this angry neglected, hungry kid is coming from. They walk out of class without permission? Fail? That's because the teacher's not engaging them.

Let a hungry, neglected, 'unengaged' student try to pull that bull in a Virginia school. He'd learn quickly he was in a new town where EDUCATING - not social work & coddling is what the schools do.

When Kaya gave that BS excuse about the DC spike in crime happening because teens need jobs, all I could do was shake my head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I clicked on this thread after reading it on the homepage. It's really disheartening. As one teacher said the difficulty is "in DC where students do not respect education & make teaching and learning difficult" but that can also be attributed to DCPS and DC govt failing them at a young age. The support systems needed is staggering. It seems like there is a pervasive and crippling hopelessness.

NO, their parents have failed them. It is not the governments job to teach children morals and values, this happens at home. Until this is acknowledged and confronted head on, then nothing will change.

I agree with you 200%. It's a parenting failure. However, the schools continue to fail these kids by not providing consequences for their behavior. Student cusses out or assaults teacher? Well you're the educated adult; understand where this angry neglected, hungry kid is coming from. They walk out of class without permission? Fail? That's because the teacher's not engaging them.

Let a hungry, neglected, 'unengaged' student try to pull that bull in a Virginia school. He'd learn quickly he was in a new town where EDUCATING - not social work & coddling is what the schools do.

When Kaya gave that BS excuse about the DC spike in crime happening because teens need jobs, all I could do was shake my head.

NP. I agree with the pp that said this is a parenting problem, not a school problem, because what can schools do if these kids have no respect for anyone? Suspension doesn't work. What does Virginia do differently? Or are they working with different kids, where parents actually care if they get in trouble? Personally, I think that's the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think I've written more about violence in the classroom than anyone especially over the last two years. It's all over my book Don't Make the Black Kids Angry. And my youtube channel.

Colin Flaherty

Thanks for sharing this! The excessive violence in many public school classrooms is like a big elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I clicked on this thread after reading it on the homepage. It's really disheartening. As one teacher said the difficulty is "in DC where students do not respect education & make teaching and learning difficult" but that can also be attributed to DCPS and DC govt failing them at a young age. The support systems needed is staggering. It seems like there is a pervasive and crippling hopelessness.

NO, their parents have failed them. It is not the governments job to teach children morals and values, this happens at home. Until this is acknowledged and confronted head on, then nothing will change.

I agree with you 200%. It's a parenting failure. However, the schools continue to fail these kids by not providing consequences for their behavior. Student cusses out or assaults teacher? Well you're the educated adult; understand where this angry neglected, hungry kid is coming from. They walk out of class without permission? Fail? That's because the teacher's not engaging them.

Let a hungry, neglected, 'unengaged' student try to pull that bull in a Virginia school. He'd learn quickly he was in a new town where EDUCATING - not social work & coddling is what the schools do.

When Kaya gave that BS excuse about the DC spike in crime happening because teens need jobs, all I could do was shake my head.

NP. I agree with the pp that said this is a parenting problem, not a school problem, because what can schools do if these kids have no respect for anyone? Suspension doesn't work. What does Virginia do differently? Or are they working with different kids, where parents actually care if they get in trouble? Personally, I think that's the difference.

Both. In most schools they're working with "different kids". But even those kids would probably raise hell if they could get away with.

There are some schools with higher levels of poverty and/or behavioral issues but even those kids won't pull much of the bullshit I've seen in DC. They are dealt with swiftly and severely. Running around the class? Breaking school property? Profanity? Hell no. They make good use of their alternative school settings even as early as middle school.

[Anonymous]

I think there's a difference between kids who would raise hell if they could get away with it, and kids who don't care what punishment is meted out for bad behavior and chose to behave horribly regardless of the consequences. It seems that DCPS is dealing with the latter. I honestly don't know what they should do with students like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think there's a difference between kids who would raise hell if they could get away with it, and kids who don't care what punishment is meted out for bad behavior and chose to behave horribly regardless of the consequences. It seems that DCPS is dealing with the latter. I honestly don't know what they should do with students like that.

PP here and I agree. So what should DC do? Suspensions (forget the "It doesn't work". I disagree.) Alternative schools? They should actually do SOMETHING to address the behavior instead of simply sitting on their hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there's a difference between kids who would raise hell if they could get away with it, and kids who don't care what punishment is meted out for bad behavior and chose to behave horribly regardless of the consequences. It seems that DCPS is dealing with the latter. I honestly don't know what they should do with students like that.

PP here and I agree. So what should DC do? Suspensions (forget the "It doesn't work". I disagree.) Alternative schools? They should actually do SOMETHING to address the behavior instead of simply sitting on their hands.

In what way does suspension work?

I'd recommend following the model in "Lost at School". See here: http://lostatschool.org/different/index.htm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there's a difference between kids who would raise hell if they could get away with it, and kids who don't care what punishment is meted out for bad behavior and chose to behave horribly regardless of the consequences. It seems that DCPS is dealing with the latter. I honestly don't know what they should do with students like that.

PP here and I agree. So what should DC do? Suspensions (forget the "It doesn't work". I disagree.) Alternative schools? They should actually do SOMETHING to address the behavior instead of simply sitting on their hands.

In what way does suspension work?

I'd recommend following the model in "Lost at School". See here: http://lostatschool.org/different/index.htm

It works by giving consequences to their bad actions. While many call it a day out of school for kids, let's be honest: Most kids don't like being excluded from school or events. They are VERY clear that they're home as punishment. Kids who delight in not going to school simply don't show up. Suspensions send the message to other kids that certain behaviors won't be tolerated. And it forces parents to deal address their child's behavior. In many cases, students can't return from suspensions without the parents.

[Anonymous]

But does it improve their behavior? That is what "working" means to me, and I haven't seen any evidence that it does.

Additionally I think there should be a minimum age for suspension. There was a poster a while back to thought it was appropriate for K and PreK students.

[Anonymous]

Additionally most elementary school students are dropped off at school (if not all!). So I don't think that they are making a choice to go to school. They would delight in an additional day with mom/ dad/ grandma in most cases.