Middle school dilemma: Eliot-Hine/Stuart Hobson/Jefferson

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As an Asian, I'm disturbed by this troll with the Asian fixation. Asians don't live on the Hill for a number of reasons, not the least of which is lack of good Asian grocery stores in the immediate vicinity.

Delivery! https://www.sayweee.com/en
No need to drive out to Great Wall or H-mart

It's the produce I'm really missing, and I like to pick that myself. But thanks for the link!

You’re welcome! I’ve had good experiences with the produce; and scheduling delivery means doing hot-pot the same day without needing to dedicate freezer space for thin-cut meat etc.

The Korean stand in Eastern Market has a few good things - most notably big bunches of herbs. I wonder if one of the butcher counters there could thin-cut beef?

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This thread has really gone off the rails. Kudos to the families making EH, SH or JA work for their families. Most of us aren't there and DCPS doesn't give a damn. This is an intractable seeming political problem that never gets fixed. Next subject.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. When these parents wax enthusiastic, ask yourself why the Asian families aren’t touching the Ward 6 middle schools when they are at the feeder elementary schools, albeit in snall numbers. If these were great middle schools, some Asians would enroll, period.

oh ffs. please stop. there are tiny numbers of Asian families on the Hill and in DCPS to begin with, so by your logic, nobody should enroll in any DCPS school at all and we must all move to Fairfax.

as a “booster” I have been totally transparent about my experiences, here and in person. my goal is really to just let people know my actual, honest experience of having a happy kid at a Hill MS. obviously I know it’s not the same as being enrolled in AAP. but I assume people are not idiots and know that was never the assumption.

so I’ll say it again for those in the back: if you are AAP or bust, then go live your dream. meanwhile I have a happy, learning kid at our Hill MS.

There are other options besides Hill middle schools or moving to Fairfax.

Of course there are. But when you approach that middle ground that is affordable for regular families and not selective like AAP, those schools in fact start to look not all that different from Hill MS and in fact our Hill MS looks better in some respects (eg none of the reports of fighting/drugs/etc as at some of the “good” MS discussed here.)

Percent (number) of students disciplined for an incidence of violence in SY22-23:

BASIS: 2% (13)

Deal: 4% (89)

EH: 18% (97)

Hardy: 5% (41)

Jefferson: 21% (124)

SH: 5% (33)

Latin I: 0% (0)

Latin II: 1% (2)

And for two schools with PK3-5, so rate not reflective of middle school:

Oyster-Adams: (16)

SWW@FS: (17)


Only SH looks better than some of the "good" MS on this metric. It's hard to take people seriously when they hand-wave away publicly available data.

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Yikes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. When these parents wax enthusiastic, ask yourself why the Asian families aren’t touching the Ward 6 middle schools when they are at the feeder elementary schools, albeit in snall numbers. If these were great middle schools, some Asians would enroll, period.

oh ffs. please stop. there are tiny numbers of Asian families on the Hill and in DCPS to begin with, so by your logic, nobody should enroll in any DCPS school at all and we must all move to Fairfax.

as a “booster” I have been totally transparent about my experiences, here and in person. my goal is really to just let people know my actual, honest experience of having a happy kid at a Hill MS. obviously I know it’s not the same as being enrolled in AAP. but I assume people are not idiots and know that was never the assumption.

so I’ll say it again for those in the back: if you are AAP or bust, then go live your dream. meanwhile I have a happy, learning kid at our Hill MS.

There are other options besides Hill middle schools or moving to Fairfax.

Of course there are. But when you approach that middle ground that is affordable for regular families and not selective like AAP, those schools in fact start to look not all that different from Hill MS and in fact our Hill MS looks better in some respects (eg none of the reports of fighting/drugs/etc as at some of the “good” MS discussed here.)

Percent (number) of students disciplined for an incidence of violence in SY22-23:

BASIS: 2% (13)

Deal: 4% (89)

EH: 18% (97)

Hardy: 5% (41)

Jefferson: 21% (124)

SH: 5% (33)

Latin I: 0% (0)

Latin II: 1% (2)

And for two schools with PK3-5, so rate not reflective of middle school:

Oyster-Adams: (16)

SWW@FS: (17)


Only SH looks better than some of the "good" MS on this metric. It's hard to take people seriously when they hand-wave away publicly available data.

i’ll let you in on a secret: the schools suspending the kids who act out are actually ensuring the school stays safe. it’s called consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. When these parents wax enthusiastic, ask yourself why the Asian families aren’t touching the Ward 6 middle schools when they are at the feeder elementary schools, albeit in snall numbers. If these were great middle schools, some Asians would enroll, period.

oh ffs. please stop. there are tiny numbers of Asian families on the Hill and in DCPS to begin with, so by your logic, nobody should enroll in any DCPS school at all and we must all move to Fairfax.

as a “booster” I have been totally transparent about my experiences, here and in person. my goal is really to just let people know my actual, honest experience of having a happy kid at a Hill MS. obviously I know it’s not the same as being enrolled in AAP. but I assume people are not idiots and know that was never the assumption.

so I’ll say it again for those in the back: if you are AAP or bust, then go live your dream. meanwhile I have a happy, learning kid at our Hill MS.

There are other options besides Hill middle schools or moving to Fairfax.

Of course there are. But when you approach that middle ground that is affordable for regular families and not selective like AAP, those schools in fact start to look not all that different from Hill MS and in fact our Hill MS looks better in some respects (eg none of the reports of fighting/drugs/etc as at some of the “good” MS discussed here.)

Percent (number) of students disciplined for an incidence of violence in SY22-23:

BASIS: 2% (13)

Deal: 4% (89)

EH: 18% (97)

Hardy: 5% (41)

Jefferson: 21% (124)

SH: 5% (33)

Latin I: 0% (0)

Latin II: 1% (2)

And for two schools with PK3-5, so rate not reflective of middle school:

Oyster-Adams: (16)

SWW@FS: (17)


Only SH looks better than some of the "good" MS on this metric. It's hard to take people seriously when they hand-wave away publicly available data.

i’ll let you in on a secret: the schools suspending the kids who act out are actually ensuring the school stays safe. it’s called consequences.

So you're arguing these numbers have nothing to do with a school's student body and only with how a school manages discipline?

You can't reasonably use "number of anecdotes on this site" to directly compare schools; the sample sizes are all over the place.

[Anonymous]

overdiscipline at schools is also a problem. i would not like to see a large out of school suspension rate. the earlier statistics were not the out of school suspension rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:overdiscipline at schools is also a problem. i would not like to see a large out of school suspension rate. the earlier statistics were not the out of school suspension rate.

Personally I think violent students should probably not be at school with other children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree. When these parents wax enthusiastic, ask yourself why the Asian families aren’t touching the Ward 6 middle schools when they are at the feeder elementary schools, albeit in snall numbers. If these were great middle schools, some Asians would enroll, period.

oh ffs. please stop. there are tiny numbers of Asian families on the Hill and in DCPS to begin with, so by your logic, nobody should enroll in any DCPS school at all and we must all move to Fairfax.

as a “booster” I have been totally transparent about my experiences, here and in person. my goal is really to just let people know my actual, honest experience of having a happy kid at a Hill MS. obviously I know it’s not the same as being enrolled in AAP. but I assume people are not idiots and know that was never the assumption.

so I’ll say it again for those in the back: if you are AAP or bust, then go live your dream. meanwhile I have a happy, learning kid at our Hill MS.

There are other options besides Hill middle schools or moving to Fairfax.

Of course there are. But when you approach that middle ground that is affordable for regular families and not selective like AAP, those schools in fact start to look not all that different from Hill MS and in fact our Hill MS looks better in some respects (eg none of the reports of fighting/drugs/etc as at some of the “good” MS discussed here.)

Percent (number) of students disciplined for an incidence of violence in SY22-23:

BASIS: 2% (13)

Deal: 4% (89)

EH: 18% (97)

Hardy: 5% (41)

Jefferson: 21% (124)

SH: 5% (33)

Latin I: 0% (0)

Latin II: 1% (2)

And for two schools with PK3-5, so rate not reflective of middle school:

Oyster-Adams: (16)

SWW@FS: (17)


Only SH looks better than some of the "good" MS on this metric. It's hard to take people seriously when they hand-wave away publicly available data.

i’ll let you in on a secret: the schools suspending the kids who act out are actually ensuring the school stays safe. it’s called consequences.

So you're arguing these numbers have nothing to do with a school's student body and only with how a school manages discipline?

You can't reasonably use "number of anecdotes on this site" to directly compare schools; the sample sizes are all over the place.

I’m not arguing anything - I’m telling you the actual experience of the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. When these parents wax enthusiastic, ask yourself why the Asian families aren’t touching the Ward 6 middle schools when they are at the feeder elementary schools, albeit in snall numbers. If these were great middle schools, some Asians would enroll, period.

oh ffs. please stop. there are tiny numbers of Asian families on the Hill and in DCPS to begin with, so by your logic, nobody should enroll in any DCPS school at all and we must all move to Fairfax.

as a “booster” I have been totally transparent about my experiences, here and in person. my goal is really to just let people know my actual, honest experience of having a happy kid at a Hill MS. obviously I know it’s not the same as being enrolled in AAP. but I assume people are not idiots and know that was never the assumption.

so I’ll say it again for those in the back: if you are AAP or bust, then go live your dream. meanwhile I have a happy, learning kid at our Hill MS.

There are other options besides Hill middle schools or moving to Fairfax.

Of course there are. But when you approach that middle ground that is affordable for regular families and not selective like AAP, those schools in fact start to look not all that different from Hill MS and in fact our Hill MS looks better in some respects (eg none of the reports of fighting/drugs/etc as at some of the “good” MS discussed here.)

Percent (number) of students disciplined for an incidence of violence in SY22-23:

BASIS: 2% (13)

Deal: 4% (89)

EH: 18% (97)

Hardy: 5% (41)

Jefferson: 21% (124)

SH: 5% (33)

Latin I: 0% (0)

Latin II: 1% (2)

And for two schools with PK3-5, so rate not reflective of middle school:

Oyster-Adams: (16)

SWW@FS: (17)


Only SH looks better than some of the "good" MS on this metric. It's hard to take people seriously when they hand-wave away publicly available data.

i’ll let you in on a secret: the schools suspending the kids who act out are actually ensuring the school stays safe. it’s called consequences.

So you're arguing these numbers have nothing to do with a school's student body and only with how a school manages discipline?

You can't reasonably use "number of anecdotes on this site" to directly compare schools; the sample sizes are all over the place.

I’m not arguing anything - I’m telling you the actual experience of the school.

Which school? You never specified. Just claimed it had less fighting than "some of the 'good' MS discussed here." The basis for that claim now appears to be ... just vibes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Until at least a few Asians with Asian parents start enrolling at SH, EH and JA we’re not touching them either. -POC Mom on the Hill. PS. You stop.

I fully understand why as an Asian parent you might not want your kid to be an “only.” But the “Asian presence” metric is otherwise a bit odd …

Asians are just odd, right? There’s a reason that Fairfax is trying to beat back Asian erollment. Oddly enough.

I mean yes, it’s odd to use Asian enrollment as the argument for why you shouldn’t enroll your kid in W6 schools, unless perhaps you are an Asian parent who doesn’t want your kid to be an extreme minority. Are you trying to say W6 schools discriminate against Asians? Concerning if true.

As an Asian, I'm disturbed by this troll with the Asian fixation. Asians don't live on the Hill for a number of reasons, not the least of which is lack of good Asian grocery stores in the immediate vicinity.

Give us a break. This East Asian immigrant who's lived on the Hill since the 90s doesn't mind shopping for Asian groceries in MoCo on weekends, when I take my kids to a heritage language program. Most of our East Asian immigrant and ABC pals in Ward 6 have left over the years, mainly in search of better public schools. Most of them left between 3rd and 6th grades although they were OK with Brent, Maury, SWS, YY etc. We're Christian and went parochial for middle school, after striking out for the Latins and BASIS. They aren't Christian and didn't.

As a victim of a Catholic Education I would send my kid to any dcps over a Catholic school. Please. My classmates can confirm that sexual abuse is harder to recover from than weak academics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. When these parents wax enthusiastic, ask yourself why the Asian families aren’t touching the Ward 6 middle schools when they are at the feeder elementary schools, albeit in snall numbers. If these were great middle schools, some Asians would enroll, period.

oh ffs. please stop. there are tiny numbers of Asian families on the Hill and in DCPS to begin with, so by your logic, nobody should enroll in any DCPS school at all and we must all move to Fairfax.

as a “booster” I have been totally transparent about my experiences, here and in person. my goal is really to just let people know my actual, honest experience of having a happy kid at a Hill MS. obviously I know it’s not the same as being enrolled in AAP. but I assume people are not idiots and know that was never the assumption.

so I’ll say it again for those in the back: if you are AAP or bust, then go live your dream. meanwhile I have a happy, learning kid at our Hill MS.

There are other options besides Hill middle schools or moving to Fairfax.

Of course there are. But when you approach that middle ground that is affordable for regular families and not selective like AAP, those schools in fact start to look not all that different from Hill MS and in fact our Hill MS looks better in some respects (eg none of the reports of fighting/drugs/etc as at some of the “good” MS discussed here.)

Percent (number) of students disciplined for an incidence of violence in SY22-23:

BASIS: 2% (13)

Deal: 4% (89)

EH: 18% (97)

Hardy: 5% (41)

Jefferson: 21% (124)

SH: 5% (33)

Latin I: 0% (0)

Latin II: 1% (2)

And for two schools with PK3-5, so rate not reflective of middle school:

Oyster-Adams: (16)

SWW@FS: (17)


Only SH looks better than some of the "good" MS on this metric. It's hard to take people seriously when they hand-wave away publicly available data.

i’ll let you in on a secret: the schools suspending the kids who act out are actually ensuring the school stays safe. it’s called consequences.

So you're arguing these numbers have nothing to do with a school's student body and only with how a school manages discipline?

You can't reasonably use "number of anecdotes on this site" to directly compare schools; the sample sizes are all over the place.

I’m not arguing anything - I’m telling you the actual experience of the school.

Which school? You never specified. Just claimed it had less fighting than "some of the 'good' MS discussed here." The basis for that claim now appears to be ... just vibes?

I’m basing it on my current experience at one of the 3 named schools vs all the complaints here about fights at Hardy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree. When these parents wax enthusiastic, ask yourself why the Asian families aren’t touching the Ward 6 middle schools when they are at the feeder elementary schools, albeit in snall numbers. If these were great middle schools, some Asians would enroll, period.

oh ffs. please stop. there are tiny numbers of Asian families on the Hill and in DCPS to begin with, so by your logic, nobody should enroll in any DCPS school at all and we must all move to Fairfax.

as a “booster” I have been totally transparent about my experiences, here and in person. my goal is really to just let people know my actual, honest experience of having a happy kid at a Hill MS. obviously I know it’s not the same as being enrolled in AAP. but I assume people are not idiots and know that was never the assumption.

so I’ll say it again for those in the back: if you are AAP or bust, then go live your dream. meanwhile I have a happy, learning kid at our Hill MS.

There are other options besides Hill middle schools or moving to Fairfax.

Of course there are. But when you approach that middle ground that is affordable for regular families and not selective like AAP, those schools in fact start to look not all that different from Hill MS and in fact our Hill MS looks better in some respects (eg none of the reports of fighting/drugs/etc as at some of the “good” MS discussed here.)

Percent (number) of students disciplined for an incidence of violence in SY22-23:

BASIS: 2% (13)

Deal: 4% (89)

EH: 18% (97)

Hardy: 5% (41)

Jefferson: 21% (124)

SH: 5% (33)

Latin I: 0% (0)

Latin II: 1% (2)

And for two schools with PK3-5, so rate not reflective of middle school:

Oyster-Adams: (16)

SWW@FS: (17)


Only SH looks better than some of the "good" MS on this metric. It's hard to take people seriously when they hand-wave away publicly available data.

i’ll let you in on a secret: the schools suspending the kids who act out are actually ensuring the school stays safe. it’s called consequences.

So you're arguing these numbers have nothing to do with a school's student body and only with how a school manages discipline?

You can't reasonably use "number of anecdotes on this site" to directly compare schools; the sample sizes are all over the place.

I’m not arguing anything - I’m telling you the actual experience of the school.

Which school? You never specified. Just claimed it had less fighting than "some of the 'good' MS discussed here." The basis for that claim now appears to be ... just vibes?

I’m basing it on my current experience at one of the 3 named schools vs all the complaints here about fights at Hardy.

You can certainly claim your "actual experience" as a stand-alone assessment of your child's school. But it makes no sense to use that same basis to compare your school against other schools: you have no "actual experience" at other schools. That's why the data is useful for school choice - it's the most objective means we have available to compare performance across schools.