Protests on college campuses

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A serious question for the multiple posters who say they are in the "camp" of pulling support from Israel and letting them handle things alone moving forward:

Aren't you worried what could happen if the world left Israel alone and Iran or Hamas or pick another islamic extremist country hell bent on "death to West" (*which includes America and our wicked ways) gains control of Israel, their military equipment, and the iron dome?

Wouldn't that put us in a real pickle? A country equipped to unleash real terror with an air force and top notch drones, bombs, whatever that wouldn't be easily reined in thanks to the iron dome?

Isn't that the complexity of the situation that our leaders are presumably grappling with? Isn't it a compelling reason to stand on the side with the country that supports western values...as opposed to the terrorists running Gaza?

No, not worried at all. The fictitious strategic value of an alliance with Israel is just that - fiction. I don't see other countries trying to swoop in a curry Israel's favor. Far from it, in fact. All this talk about strategic value and contributions in science and technology, yet every other country is on the "no, thanks" train?

Eh, I don't think that's quite right.

The UK stands with Israel.

And if you looked at how most of Europe (and even some Arab nations...specifically when it comes to Palestinians) prioritizes tight borders and strict immigration policies precisely to avoid allowing islamic extremists in, I think that speaks volumes about how most countries feel about the role Israel plays in the region. Heck, the Saudis see value in Israel. Why? They know someone needs to keep the terrorists in check...and it's easier (I assume) to let the minority boogeyman play the role of villain rather than engage in the awkward dance of muslims having to rein in other muslims.

Again: if Hamas or Iran or pick another similar group took over Israel and its arsenal--including the iron dome--lots and lots of countries would be in danger, and it would be really, really hard to rein it in. That's a legit risk. Don't pretend like it's not. We are talking about terror groups that hate the West, not like-minded rational allies.

DP Israel does not develop any of the “arsenal”. It is all from US defense spending spin offs. If the US pulls support Israel will no long be able to scratch off funded by US tax payers, developed and made in the USA with “made” in Israel.

Israel holds no strategic place or value in the Middle East. Well the only value it has to its neighbors is either a destabilizing force or a way to get free money from Uncle sucker. US has to bribe everyone in the region not to attack Israel. Did you see what the US has to provide the Saudi to be nice to Israel? Saudi oil money, a leader who kills journalist(Israel does that all the time) and could not fight is way out of a wet paper bag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s with all the masks and hoodies? Are these kids scared of Covid or do they not want to be identified in photos? Weird.

The kids understand the fascist surveillance state has been here for a while.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

These silly protests will do as much good as your protest back in 2002 did. Street protests do nothing but provide a space for trouble makers to create trouble. Ballot box protests are actually effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Ok.

And which American presidential candidate will handle things differently/better…recognizing we really don’t have any control over what Israel does?

Biden stands with Israel.

Trump will, too.

So, is there someone you think has the silver bullet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

No, people don’t want to come to a protest because the rightfully fear some antifa jerk starting a riot, or people wearing swastikas, or people waving Hamas flags. I was at that exact same 2002 protest and it was totally different.

But in any event, the college student encampments are not going to be any more successful. They’ve likely only turned public opinion against themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling

I think that what you’ll see at the ballot box is that this is far less an important issue to the average voter than you are making it out to be. The longer that these campus “protests” go on, the more people it will drag to the other side, anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They just seem like such a brats. I miss protestors with dignity. Like in the Civil Rights era.

The difference is that there was widespread popular support for the Civil Rights protestors. Here, there isn’t. That means that the protestors are largely bored and spoiled kids, because the adults who have a lot to actually lose aren’t joining in. The Civil War protests were made powerful by people who had a lot to lose, and so who acted with dignity, strength, and grace. These are just entitled brats.

However, the protestors have inadvertently caused what is arguably the best GoFundMe description in history. I will give them that.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/pi-kappa-phi-men-defended-their-flag-throw-em-a-rager

The difference is Israel support is all astroturf. The similarities are the same people who are against civil rights are pro Israel

You are so ignorant it isn't even close to funny.

Do you know who's been on the side of civil rights all this time? Jews. We have been there marching, donating, voting, working, all of it. It is one of the reasons that seeing the pro-Gaza protestors say such despicable, hateful things feels like such a betrayal now.

None of you are advocating for peace. You don't even want peace. You want to be the bloody victors of a horrible war. You're disgusting, immoral, history-blind people.

NP. PP, you’re the ignorant one! I’m in-laws with one of those Jewish families that famously funded MLK and ended up on Nixon’s enemies list (bc he thought them in a cabal!). The people they can’t abide aren’t campus protesters, it’s their bigoted in-laws and relatives who support the genocide in Israel and, quite frankly, Trump in America.

Oh, did you marry into a Jewish family and now you're an expert on being Jewish? Well why don't I just forget what I know from actually being Jewish and just listen to you. You're such an expert. Go solve the Middle East conflicts while you're at it, oh all knowing one.

Hey, jerk, stop making up crap. I’ve been to Kaifeng, Kochin, Bukhara, etc. Jews can be many things, not just what you Zionists claim. You have NO idea of my background, you just need nonsense for your hasbara.

I’m just speaking to the Jews who funded the American Civil Rights movement and MLK. That’s a small group and I’m 99.99% sure I am wildly better versed in their attitudes than you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s with all the masks and hoodies? Are these kids scared of Covid or do they not want to be identified in photos? Weird.

The kids understand the fascist surveillance state has been here for a while.

Shhhhhh the boomers don’t know about swarm of drones equipped with facial recognition technology. It wasn’t covered in cable news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Ok.

And which American presidential candidate will handle things differently/better…recognizing we really don’t have any control over what Israel does?

Biden stands with Israel.

Trump will, too.

So, is there someone you think has the silver bullet?

lol... do you really think Trump and Biden have the mental fitness to come to reach a decision on where they stand on a particular issue? Don't be ridiculous. They don't know where they stand both literally and figuratively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s with all the masks and hoodies? Are these kids scared of Covid or do they not want to be identified in photos? Weird.

The kids understand the fascist surveillance state has been here for a while.

Shhhhhh the boomers don’t know about swarm of drones equipped with facial recognition technology. It wasn’t covered in cable news.

pro tip: if you’re engaged in peaceful protest, you do not need to hide your face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

No, people don’t want to come to a protest because the rightfully fear some antifa jerk starting a riot, or people wearing swastikas, or people waving Hamas flags. I was at that exact same 2002 protest and it was totally different.

But in any event, the college student encampments are not going to be any more successful. They’ve likely only turned public opinion against themselves.

We know they are being influential and highly successful by the enormous military force deployed to crush them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

No, people don’t want to come to a protest because the rightfully fear some antifa jerk starting a riot, or people wearing swastikas, or people waving Hamas flags. I was at that exact same 2002 protest and it was totally different.

But in any event, the college student encampments are not going to be any more successful. They’ve likely only turned public opinion against themselves.

That smells like fear - fear that this movement is going to pick up even more steam and force the corruption of the U.S. / Israel relationship even further into the spotlight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Ok.

And which American presidential candidate will handle things differently/better…recognizing we really don’t have any control over what Israel does?

Biden stands with Israel.

Trump will, too.

So, is there someone you think has the silver bullet?

So, just leave Israel unchecked? Throw up our hands? I think most people in the world would hope people would protest 35K civilians dead in 6 months.

[Anonymous]

The frat boys are nearly at $70k.

I have never in my life cheered for a frat party before but here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s with all the masks and hoodies? Are these kids scared of Covid or do they not want to be identified in photos? Weird.

The kids understand the fascist surveillance state has been here for a while.

Shhhhhh the boomers don’t know about swarm of drones equipped with facial recognition technology. It wasn’t covered in cable news.

pro tip: if you’re engaged in peaceful protest, you do not need to hide your face.

Even more pro of a tip: when you’re protesting corrupt scumbags who have no moral compass and who suck at the teat of Uncle Sam, better safe than sorry.