Protests on college campuses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A serious question for the multiple posters who say they are in the "camp" of pulling support from Israel and letting them handle things alone moving forward:

Aren't you worried what could happen if the world left Israel alone and Iran or Hamas or pick another islamic extremist country hell bent on "death to West" (*which includes America and our wicked ways) gains control of Israel, their military equipment, and the iron dome?

Wouldn't that put us in a real pickle? A country equipped to unleash real terror with an air force and top notch drones, bombs, whatever that wouldn't be easily reined in thanks to the iron dome?

Isn't that the complexity of the situation that our leaders are presumably grappling with? Isn't it a compelling reason to stand on the side with the country that supports western values...as opposed to the terrorists running Gaza?

No, not worried at all. The fictitious strategic value of an alliance with Israel is just that - fiction. I don't see other countries trying to swoop in a curry Israel's favor. Far from it, in fact. All this talk about strategic value and contributions in science and technology, yet every other country is on the "no, thanks" train?

You don’t think others rely geopolitically on the US-Israel alliance in the ME? Oh sweetie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A serious question for the multiple posters who say they are in the "camp" of pulling support from Israel and letting them handle things alone moving forward:

Aren't you worried what could happen if the world left Israel alone and Iran or Hamas or pick another islamic extremist country hell bent on "death to West" (*which includes America and our wicked ways) gains control of Israel, their military equipment, and the iron dome?

Wouldn't that put us in a real pickle? A country equipped to unleash real terror with an air force and top notch drones, bombs, whatever that wouldn't be easily reined in thanks to the iron dome?

Isn't that the complexity of the situation that our leaders are presumably grappling with? Isn't it a compelling reason to stand on the side with the country that supports western values...as opposed to the terrorists running Gaza?

No, not worried at all. The fictitious strategic value of an alliance with Israel is just that - fiction. I don't see other countries trying to swoop in a curry Israel's favor. Far from it, in fact. All this talk about strategic value and contributions in science and technology, yet every other country is on the "no, thanks" train?

You don’t think others rely geopolitically on the US-Israel alliance in the ME? Oh sweetie.

Oh sweetie, if it made so much sense in that giant huge brain of yours, why the need to lobby our government incessantly? If it's such a strategic "no brainer", why lobby at all? I swear, you must think people just abandon reason when your gigantic intellect enters the room.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

100%. And the thuggish, bullying tactics of the pro-Palestine protestors means they will never be able rally a peaceful protest in DC.

And what about pro-Israel protestors? Can they protest in DC or the thuggish, bullying tactics they displayed last night when a mob of hundreds dressed in black and wearing white masks attacked the pro-Palestinian encampment at UCLA disqualify them? I guess that’s not a big deal right? According to the Guardian and LA Times they attacked shouting that this was a second Nabka. Any outrage from the big Jewish donors? None?

I think they should have been arrested and the encampment evicted. Happy? I also think the thuggish tactics of the encampment brought the attack in themselve. FAFO as they say.

Do you understand that others think FAFO explains 10/7, too?

FAFO absolutely explains the destruction Hamas brought to its own people via 10/7. Absolutely.

FAFO is the love language of domestic abusers, so I guess it checks out that you feel naturally drawn to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A serious question for the multiple posters who say they are in the "camp" of pulling support from Israel and letting them handle things alone moving forward:

Aren't you worried what could happen if the world left Israel alone and Iran or Hamas or pick another islamic extremist country hell bent on "death to West" (*which includes America and our wicked ways) gains control of Israel, their military equipment, and the iron dome?

Wouldn't that put us in a real pickle? A country equipped to unleash real terror with an air force and top notch drones, bombs, whatever that wouldn't be easily reined in thanks to the iron dome?

Isn't that the complexity of the situation that our leaders are presumably grappling with? Isn't it a compelling reason to stand on the side with the country that supports western values...as opposed to the terrorists running Gaza?

No, not worried at all. The fictitious strategic value of an alliance with Israel is just that - fiction. I don't see other countries trying to swoop in a curry Israel's favor. Far from it, in fact. All this talk about strategic value and contributions in science and technology, yet every other country is on the "no, thanks" train?

You don’t think others rely geopolitically on the US-Israel alliance in the ME? Oh sweetie.

DP. They're welcome to post their anonymous nonsense. They aren't in charge; if they were, they wouldn't be so shockingly ignorant.

[Anonymous]

The left is being encouraged to riot, so that the right will demand more clampdowns.

And the police state grows ever larger.

Both sides are being played.

Problem.
Reaction.
Solution.
The problem is created so you accept their solution.

[Anonymous]

Left on Left crime. Let me get my popcorn.

[Anonymous]

I can't believe I'm cheering on a Frat Party. Times are indeed changing...

Up to $50K. That will be some party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

100%. And the thuggish, bullying tactics of the pro-Palestine protestors means they will never be able rally a peaceful protest in DC.

And what about pro-Israel protestors? Can they protest in DC or the thuggish, bullying tactics they displayed last night when a mob of hundreds dressed in black and wearing white masks attacked the pro-Palestinian encampment at UCLA disqualify them? I guess that’s not a big deal right? According to the Guardian and LA Times they attacked shouting that this was a second Nabka. Any outrage from the big Jewish donors? None?

I think they should have been arrested and the encampment evicted. Happy? I also think the thuggish tactics of the encampment brought the attack in themselve. FAFO as they say.

Do you understand that others think FAFO explains 10/7, too?

FAFO absolutely explains the destruction Hamas brought to its own people via 10/7. Absolutely.

FAFO is the love language of domestic abusers, so I guess it checks out that you feel naturally drawn to it.

Oh, now you're pretending that you didn't just post it yourself. And that it isn't a common saying. Now you're equating PP with an abuser because... it's a fancy form of name-calling. So you can feel sophisticated and superior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The left is being encouraged to riot, so that the right will demand more clampdowns.

And the police state grows ever larger.

Both sides are being played.

Problem.
Reaction.
Solution.
The problem is created so you accept their solution.

Whatever your thoughts of the campus protests, this isn’t anything the right pays a price over. It’s the Democratic Party that’s paying - the base is splintering, Biden wavering not wanting to offend various voting camps, the left looking like it can’t handle crime or worse, encourages mayhem. This is awful optics for Biden’s reelection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A serious question for the multiple posters who say they are in the "camp" of pulling support from Israel and letting them handle things alone moving forward:

Aren't you worried what could happen if the world left Israel alone and Iran or Hamas or pick another islamic extremist country hell bent on "death to West" (*which includes America and our wicked ways) gains control of Israel, their military equipment, and the iron dome?

Wouldn't that put us in a real pickle? A country equipped to unleash real terror with an air force and top notch drones, bombs, whatever that wouldn't be easily reined in thanks to the iron dome?

Isn't that the complexity of the situation that our leaders are presumably grappling with? Isn't it a compelling reason to stand on the side with the country that supports western values...as opposed to the terrorists running Gaza?

No, not worried at all. The fictitious strategic value of an alliance with Israel is just that - fiction. I don't see other countries trying to swoop in a curry Israel's favor. Far from it, in fact. All this talk about strategic value and contributions in science and technology, yet every other country is on the "no, thanks" train?

Eh, I don't think that's quite right.

The UK stands with Israel.

And if you looked at how most of Europe (and even some Arab nations...specifically when it comes to Palestinians) prioritizes tight borders and strict immigration policies precisely to avoid allowing islamic extremists in, I think that speaks volumes about how most countries feel about the role Israel plays in the region. Heck, the Saudis see value in Israel. Why? They know someone needs to keep the terrorists in check...and it's easier (I assume) to let the minority boogeyman play the role of villain rather than engage in the awkward dance of muslims having to rein in other muslims.

Again: if Hamas or Iran or pick another similar group took over Israel and its arsenal--including the iron dome--lots and lots of countries would be in danger, and it would be really, really hard to rein it in. That's a legit risk. Don't pretend like it's not. We are talking about terror groups that hate the West, not like-minded rational allies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe I'm cheering on a Frat Party. Times are indeed changing...

Up to $50K. That will be some party.

Yes times are changing. In the past we at least had the freedom to call police brutality fascism. Not in Netanyahu’s America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A serious question for the multiple posters who say they are in the "camp" of pulling support from Israel and letting them handle things alone moving forward:

Aren't you worried what could happen if the world left Israel alone and Iran or Hamas or pick another islamic extremist country hell bent on "death to West" (*which includes America and our wicked ways) gains control of Israel, their military equipment, and the iron dome?

Wouldn't that put us in a real pickle? A country equipped to unleash real terror with an air force and top notch drones, bombs, whatever that wouldn't be easily reined in thanks to the iron dome?

Isn't that the complexity of the situation that our leaders are presumably grappling with? Isn't it a compelling reason to stand on the side with the country that supports western values...as opposed to the terrorists running Gaza?

No, not worried at all. The fictitious strategic value of an alliance with Israel is just that - fiction. I don't see other countries trying to swoop in a curry Israel's favor. Far from it, in fact. All this talk about strategic value and contributions in science and technology, yet every other country is on the "no, thanks" train?

Eh, I don't think that's quite right.

The UK stands with Israel.

And if you looked at how most of Europe (and even some Arab nations...specifically when it comes to Palestinians) prioritizes tight borders and strict immigration policies precisely to avoid allowing islamic extremists in, I think that speaks volumes about how most countries feel about the role Israel plays in the region. Heck, the Saudis see value in Israel. Why? They know someone needs to keep the terrorists in check...and it's easier (I assume) to let the minority boogeyman play the role of villain rather than engage in the awkward dance of muslims having to rein in other muslims.

Again: if Hamas or Iran or pick another similar group took over Israel and its arsenal--including the iron dome--lots and lots of countries would be in danger, and it would be really, really hard to rein it in. That's a legit risk. Don't pretend like it's not. We are talking about terror groups that hate the West, not like-minded rational allies.

I don't see anyone arguing for Israel to cease to exist and another population pick up the iron dome and nuclear arsenal pieces. I see argument for Israel having to make tough choices, and maybe some uncomfortable sacrifices as the price for peace. If Israel wants peace, which I'm definitely not certain of, it will require compromise and sacrifice at some level. If taking away or diminishing U.S. support is the impetus needed to force Israel to get realistic, is that so bad?

[Anonymous]

What’s with all the masks and hoodies? Are these kids scared of Covid or do they not want to be identified in photos? Weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A serious question for the multiple posters who say they are in the "camp" of pulling support from Israel and letting them handle things alone moving forward:

Aren't you worried what could happen if the world left Israel alone and Iran or Hamas or pick another islamic extremist country hell bent on "death to West" (*which includes America and our wicked ways) gains control of Israel, their military equipment, and the iron dome?

Wouldn't that put us in a real pickle? A country equipped to unleash real terror with an air force and top notch drones, bombs, whatever that wouldn't be easily reined in thanks to the iron dome?

Isn't that the complexity of the situation that our leaders are presumably grappling with? Isn't it a compelling reason to stand on the side with the country that supports western values...as opposed to the terrorists running Gaza?

No, not worried at all. The fictitious strategic value of an alliance with Israel is just that - fiction. I don't see other countries trying to swoop in a curry Israel's favor. Far from it, in fact. All this talk about strategic value and contributions in science and technology, yet every other country is on the "no, thanks" train?

Eh, I don't think that's quite right.

The UK stands with Israel.

And if you looked at how most of Europe (and even some Arab nations...specifically when it comes to Palestinians) prioritizes tight borders and strict immigration policies precisely to avoid allowing islamic extremists in, I think that speaks volumes about how most countries feel about the role Israel plays in the region. Heck, the Saudis see value in Israel. Why? They know someone needs to keep the terrorists in check...and it's easier (I assume) to let the minority boogeyman play the role of villain rather than engage in the awkward dance of muslims having to rein in other muslims.

Again: if Hamas or Iran or pick another similar group took over Israel and its arsenal--including the iron dome--lots and lots of countries would be in danger, and it would be really, really hard to rein it in. That's a legit risk. Don't pretend like it's not. We are talking about terror groups that hate the West, not like-minded rational allies.

I don't see anyone arguing for Israel to cease to exist and another population pick up the iron dome and nuclear arsenal pieces. I see argument for Israel having to make tough choices, and maybe some uncomfortable sacrifices as the price for peace. If Israel wants peace, which I'm definitely not certain of, it will require compromise and sacrifice at some level. If taking away or diminishing U.S. support is the impetus needed to force Israel to get realistic, is that so bad?

Netanyahu won't make those choices and he is leaving the US and the global community to provide no choice but to isolate him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is protests should happen in DC, not on campuses.

Even if a college divests, nothing changes. Like, literally nothing.

Protest peacefully in Washington. Lobby your reps on the Hill.

If you just want to cosplay “activist” on your parent’s dime instead of studying for exams, then do it in DC. At least it will be somewhat effective.

People don't want to do that in this instance for the repercussions of being labeled antisemitic or pro-Hamas or losing their job. That's why it will come out at the ballot box.*

For comparison, I was in this crowd of 100K on 10/26/2002 for the ANSWER rally to protest the looming war with Iraq. For comparison, I looked up the total death count by that point: about 22,000 Afghans. So not even close to the total death count in Palestine we've already unfortunately seen.

Bush did what he wanted and another 250K to 380K civilians died.

Here's the rally for those who want to relive, there was also a march: https://www.c-span.org/video/?173521-1/anti-war-rally

*AP polling as of early February (so undoubtedly much higher) showed...
"Half of US adults say the military response from Israel in the Gaza Strip has gone too far, up from November" and
Only "31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats"

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1