I'm not sure that Roseanne's tweet about Valerie Jarrett is as racist as it appears to be

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The tweet itself is racist knowing VJ is African American.


But Roseanne as a person may not be a racist. No one has come up with any evidence that Roseanne knew VJ is African American when she tweeted it.

But how do we know what Roseann was thinking when she sent that tweet out? She obviously doesn't like VJ, she may have been looking at a picture of her and lashing out on her overall appearance. The fact that she knew VJ was African American may not have played a part in thinking she looked like she was from Planet of the Apes.

[Anonymous]

If Rosanne follows right wing media closely enough to know that Valerie was born in Iran (which was news to me), she certainly knew that she was AA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But she isn't white.

Doesn't matter. What matters is if Roseanne thought she was. It is very different comparing a white person to an ape than a black person, although both are of course terrible. I mean, liberals here compare the president of the US to an "orange turd," but we wouldn't have been able to compare Obama to a "constipated black turd."

And before you start in with "it's fake orange tan" stuff, it still is a stupid thing to criticize Trump about. It shows a fixation on color - natural or fake - by people who proclaim that color should be irrelevant.

OP here. I have to say that I think Roseanne most likely DID know that VJ is African-American, but I don't think that was the inspiration for the Planet of the Apes comment. Normally, I would definitely think that a comment like that about a women who is described as African American would have been inspired by racism. But looking at her picture sheds a different light on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m quite sure it was intentionally racist and OP is either gaslighting or trolling.

OP here. I swear I'm not trolling. I didn't know anything about Valerie Jarrett before this scandal and hearing her described as an African American woman just made me assume that the planet of the apes comment was made from the same ugly comparison that racists have made for centuries, but when I actually saw her picture it made me think that what inspired Roseanne to make that horrible comparison was her appearance and not her race. Here is a picture of her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett

And I also have to put out there that I think she is an attractive woman nonetheless.

Then you haven't been paying much attention to national politics. Roseanne has. She has no excuse and you are silly for following this line of thought.

Do you go around calling random white people apes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tweet itself is racist knowing VJ is African American.


But Roseanne as a person may not be a racist. No one has come up with any evidence that Roseanne knew VJ is African American when she tweeted it.

But how do we know what Roseann was thinking when she sent that tweet out? She obviously doesn't like VJ, she may have been looking at a picture of her and lashing out on her overall appearance. The fact that she knew VJ was African American may not have played a part in thinking she looked like she was from Planet of the Apes.

Op you are racist. Shut your pie hole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m quite sure it was intentionally racist and OP is either gaslighting or trolling.

OP here. I swear I'm not trolling. I didn't know anything about Valerie Jarrett before this scandal and hearing her described as an African American woman just made me assume that the planet of the apes comment was made from the same ugly comparison that racists have made for centuries, but when I actually saw her picture it made me think that what inspired Roseanne to make that horrible comparison was her appearance and not her race. Here is a picture of her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett

And I also have to put out there that I think she is an attractive woman nonetheless.

Then you haven't been paying much attention to national politics. Roseanne has. She has no excuse and you are silly for following this line of thought.

Do you go around calling random white people apes?[/quote]


She made a rude remark about the appearance of a woman she doesn't like. The rude comment is an often used insult that racists use to describe African Americans so yes, obviously everyone would naturally assume that Roseanne meant it in the same way. However if you look at her picture, this woman does not look black and actually really does have a similar appearance to the characters in the movie which makes me think that it is rather possible that Roseanne's comparison was just done out of mean spiritness instead of racist mean spiritness

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tweet itself is racist knowing VJ is African American.


But Roseanne as a person may not be a racist. No one has come up with any evidence that Roseanne knew VJ is African American when she tweeted it.

But how do we know what Roseann was thinking when she sent that tweet out? She obviously doesn't like VJ, she may have been looking at a picture of her and lashing out on her overall appearance. The fact that she knew VJ was African American may not have played a part in thinking she looked like she was from Planet of the Apes.

Op you are racist. Shut your pie hole.

Why just automatically say that? Stop and really think about it. Look at VJ's picture. When you look at it objectively it does seem rather possible that the comment was not made for the reason that everyone would otherwise naturally assume.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Why just automatically say that? Stop and really think about it. Look at VJ's picture. When you look at it objectively it does seem rather possible that the comment was not made for the reason that everyone would otherwise naturally assume.

You are treading on pretty dangerous ground with your repeated insistence that Jarrett looks like an ape. You clearly don't have the excuse of not knowing that she is black. You probably want to tone that down a bit if you don't want to be called names.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The tweet itself is racist knowing VJ is African American.


But Roseanne as a person may not be a racist. No one has come up with any evidence that Roseanne knew VJ is African American when she tweeted it.

But how do we know what Roseann was thinking when she sent that tweet out? She obviously doesn't like VJ, she may have been looking at a picture of her and lashing out on her overall appearance. The fact that she knew VJ was African American may not have played a part in thinking she looked like she was from Planet of the Apes.

Op you are racist. Shut your pie hole.

Why just automatically say that? Stop and really think about it. Look at VJ's picture. When you look at it objectively it does seem rather possible that the comment was not made for the reason that everyone would otherwise naturally assume.

OMG, because now here YOU are saying Valerie Jarrett looks like an ape and you KNOW that she is black. So you think Roseanne could plead ignorance (which she DIDN'T) but you aren't racist for saying the same damn thing??

I cannot believe that this is what we've been reduced to: discussing when it's appropriate to call people apes. HINT: NEVER.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m quite sure it was intentionally racist and OP is either gaslighting or trolling.

OP here. I swear I'm not trolling. I didn't know anything about Valerie Jarrett before this scandal and hearing her described as an African American woman just made me assume that the planet of the apes comment was made from the same ugly comparison that racists have made for centuries, but when I actually saw her picture it made me think that what inspired Roseanne to make that horrible comparison was her appearance and not her race. Here is a picture of her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett

And I also have to put out there that I think she is an attractive woman nonetheless.

Then you haven't been paying much attention to national politics. Roseanne has. She has no excuse and you are silly for following this line of thought.

Do you go around calling random white people apes?

DP. I am a political junky and I didn't know VJ is African American until this week. (I had thought VJ and Huma have middle eastern background.) VJ is a behind the scene type of aid. Being African American is not the first or second thing when you talk about VJ.

Regardless ABC has very right to fire her.

[Anonymous]

I just checked her photo in the link provided upthread. To me, she is pretty (I don't get the Planet of the Apes comparison at all), but she does look white.

She also has the same birthday as my sister. Live and learn!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why just automatically say that? Stop and really think about it. Look at VJ's picture. When you look at it objectively it does seem rather possible that the comment was not made for the reason that everyone would otherwise naturally assume.

You are treading on pretty dangerous ground with your repeated insistence that Jarrett looks like an ape. You clearly don't have the excuse of not knowing that she is black. You probably want to tone that down a bit if you don't want to be called names.

Look, I have said previously that I hate to say that but in light of the topic I kind of have to and I think she is attractive nontheless. Just like many people say SJP looks like a horse but she is still attractive. I have also said that the features that I believe make her look like that are not features that most would equate with African Americans. In fact, I don't think her features look particularly African American.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why just automatically say that? Stop and really think about it. Look at VJ's picture. When you look at it objectively it does seem rather possible that the comment was not made for the reason that everyone would otherwise naturally assume.

You are treading on pretty dangerous ground with your repeated insistence that Jarrett looks like an ape. You clearly don't have the excuse of not knowing that she is black. You probably want to tone that down a bit if you don't want to be called names.

Look, I have said previously that I hate to say that but in light of the topic I kind of have to and I think she is attractive nontheless. Just like many people say SJP looks like a horse but she is still attractive. I have also said that the features that I believe make her look like that are not features that most would equate with African Americans. In fact, I don't think her features look particularly African American.

What are the features that make a person look African-American? Do they all look the same to you? Because when I see African-Americans, i see a wide array of features.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why just automatically say that? Stop and really think about it. Look at VJ's picture. When you look at it objectively it does seem rather possible that the comment was not made for the reason that everyone would otherwise naturally assume.

You are treading on pretty dangerous ground with your repeated insistence that Jarrett looks like an ape. You clearly don't have the excuse of not knowing that she is black. You probably want to tone that down a bit if you don't want to be called names.

Look, I have said previously that I hate to say that but in light of the topic I kind of have to and I think she is attractive nontheless. Just like many people say SJP looks like a horse but she is still attractive. I have also said that the features that I believe make her look like that are not features that most would equate with African Americans. In fact, I don't think her features look particularly African American.

Just stop.

Jeff, please delete this thread. This poster is trying to normalize what Roseanne tweeted and to soft pedal it by claiming that she finds Valerie Jarrett pretty even though it's true she looks like Planet of the Apes.

We need to be better than this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why just automatically say that? Stop and really think about it. Look at VJ's picture. When you look at it objectively it does seem rather possible that the comment was not made for the reason that everyone would otherwise naturally assume.

You are treading on pretty dangerous ground with your repeated insistence that Jarrett looks like an ape. You clearly don't have the excuse of not knowing that she is black. You probably want to tone that down a bit if you don't want to be called names.

Look, I have said previously that I hate to say that but in light of the topic I kind of have to and I think she is attractive nontheless. Just like many people say SJP looks like a horse but she is still attractive. I have also said that the features that I believe make her look like that are not features that most would equate with African Americans. In fact, I don't think her features look particularly African American.

OP, you should have stopped with your first post. Now you're saying that VJ is an attractive ape who just happens to be AA, and that it should be fine to say that.

It's not. Just stop.