Trump Lies about ... the Iraq War

Anonymous
Trump was a private citizen. He was not required to give a serious foreign policy opinion or even being asked the question. No one invited him to the Senate floor prior to the war to give a speech. Just because the earliest pubic record we can find was in September, it doesn't mean he was not against the war prior to that. It's such a red herring whether Donald opposed the war in 2003 or 2002. Trump was against the war early enough when the war was still popular.


Why are you saying that the "earliest public record we can find was in September" when he said "I guess so" - that he supports the Iraq invasion - in September 2002? If you say it to Howard Stern, who had at that point the more listeners than anyone else on the radio, it doesn't count?

As to "private citizen" - do you consider the Dixie Chicks "private citizens"? Donald Trump is claiming that he was publicly against the war before it started. Why wasn't he pilloried like they were?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hillary championed the Iraq war.

Donald Trump was on the record opposing the war with Joe Scarborough on his show Scarborough Country in 2003.


Clinton did not champion the war. She might have been naive in voting to give Bush the authority to decide to go to war, but her own words before her vote are definitively not championing intervention.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

It helps your arguments to tell the truth.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hillary championed the Iraq war.

Donald Trump was on the record opposing the war with Joe Scarborough on his show Scarborough Country in 2003.


Clinton did not champion the war. She might have been naive in voting to give Bush the authority to decide to go to war, but her own words before her vote are definitively not championing intervention.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

It helps your arguments to tell the truth.



We can't elect a naive person to be the president. How many lives has naive Hillary destroyed with her hawkish policies in the middle east? Bernie is right - she is not qualified to be the president just on the Iraq war alone. Anyone who voted for that disastrous war is not qualified to be the president of the united states. Being naive is not an excuse for millions of lives and trillions of treasure.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:PP again. Let me highlight that 2002 answer so it doesn't get lost:

Howard Stern: “Are you for invading Iraq?”

Donald Trump: “Yeah, I guess so."


You are really pathetic if you have to dig into Howard Stern for serious political discussion. Debating Iraq war is a lost cause for Hillary, if all you got is a "I guess so" on Howard Stern.

Joe Scarborough was a congressman and hosted a show for Politics. Donald Trump was on the record opposing the war with Joe on his show at a time when the war was still very popular.


Why does it matter who they are if they asked the same exact question? Stern is one of the best interviewers in any business. Scarborough is a hack addicted to access journalism, and that's coming from someone who watches his show every day.


It's not about Howard Stern the person but about the venue that Howard Stern produces. The stuff that Howard Stern puts out on his show, I don't know anyone can take it seriously other than just a crude form of entertainment. It's like finding clues on economy from the Jerry Springer show.

You can like or dislike Joe Scarborough the person, but his show was about discussing politics only. In 2003, Trump told Scarborough he was not for going into Iraq.


In SEPTEMBER 2003. After the war started.


Trump was a private citizen. He was not required to give a serious foreign policy opinion or even being asked the question. No one invited him to the Senate floor prior to the war to give a speech. Just because the earliest pubic record we can find was in September, it doesn't mean he was not against the war prior to that. It's such a red herring whether Donald opposed the war in 2003 or 2002. Trump was against the war early enough when the war was still popular.

Hillary on the other hand was the most hawkish senators at that time. She championed the war on the senate floor where it actually mattered. She continued her support long after the war started.



1. Trump has been flirting with running for 20 years, which you seem to have forgotten.
2. If he wants to claim he opposed the war he needs to show proof or just not make the claim.
3. It is too late for a leader to oppose a war after he sends in our troops.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Donald Trump was on the record opposing the war with Joe Scarborough on his show Scarborough Country in 2003.


More lies.

Sept. 11, 2002: Trump is asked publicly about his stance on the invasion, apparently for the first time. In a recently revealed audio clip of the interview, Trump gives a lukewarm support for the war.

Stern: “Are you for invading Iraq?”
Trump: “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”


March 20, 2003: Invasion of Iraq begins. Throughout 2003, Trump is asked about his views on Iraq. He’s not clearly outspoken against it.

Trump would go on to explain in 2016 that a Howard Stern interview was the first time he was asked about the war, and claim that by the time the war started in 2003, he was “totally against it.” But the evidence isn’t there.


March 21, 2003: Trump actually praises the invasion in an interview with Fox News. BuzzFeed News published an audio clip, where Trump says:

“Well, I think Wall Street’s waiting to see what happens but even before the fact they’re obviously taking it a little bit for granted and it looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint and I think this is really nothing compared to what you’re gonna see after the war is over. … I think Wall Street’s just gonna go up like a rocket, even beyond, and it’s gonna continue and, you know, we have a strong and powerful country and let’s hope it all works out.”


April 30, 2003: Dow Jones News Service reports net income losses for Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts Inc., in first quarter of 2003.

“With the winter behind us and the war virtually over and possible signs of a strengthening economy, I am confident that we will rebound through the remainder of the year,” Trump concluded.


And here's how Trump supposedly opposed the War ...

Sept. 11, 2003: Trump on MSNBC’s “Scarborough Country:”

“It wasn’t a mistake to fight terrorism and fight it hard, and I guess maybe if I had to do it, I would have fought terrorism but not necessarily Iraq.”


Apparently Trump had a conversion about the time he started running for President ...

Trump at Feb. 14, 2016 debate:

“I’m the only one on this stage that said, ‘Do not go into Iraq. Do not attack Iraq.’ Nobody else on this stage said that. And I said it loud and strong. And I was in the private sector. I wasn’t a politician, fortunately. But I said it, and I said it loud and clear, ‘You’ll destabilize the Middle East.’ That’s exactly what happened.”


Such a liar.


Can you also start a thread about Hillery's flip-flops and lies? Probably more meat on that bone.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Donald Trump was on the record opposing the war with Joe Scarborough on his show Scarborough Country in 2003.


More lies.

Sept. 11, 2002: Trump is asked publicly about his stance on the invasion, apparently for the first time. In a recently revealed audio clip of the interview, Trump gives a lukewarm support for the war.

Stern: “Are you for invading Iraq?”
Trump: “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”


March 20, 2003: Invasion of Iraq begins. Throughout 2003, Trump is asked about his views on Iraq. He’s not clearly outspoken against it.

Trump would go on to explain in 2016 that a Howard Stern interview was the first time he was asked about the war, and claim that by the time the war started in 2003, he was “totally against it.” But the evidence isn’t there.


March 21, 2003: Trump actually praises the invasion in an interview with Fox News. BuzzFeed News published an audio clip, where Trump says:

“Well, I think Wall Street’s waiting to see what happens but even before the fact they’re obviously taking it a little bit for granted and it looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint and I think this is really nothing compared to what you’re gonna see after the war is over. … I think Wall Street’s just gonna go up like a rocket, even beyond, and it’s gonna continue and, you know, we have a strong and powerful country and let’s hope it all works out.”


April 30, 2003: Dow Jones News Service reports net income losses for Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts Inc., in first quarter of 2003.

“With the winter behind us and the war virtually over and possible signs of a strengthening economy, I am confident that we will rebound through the remainder of the year,” Trump concluded.


And here's how Trump supposedly opposed the War ...

Sept. 11, 2003: Trump on MSNBC’s “Scarborough Country:”

“It wasn’t a mistake to fight terrorism and fight it hard, and I guess maybe if I had to do it, I would have fought terrorism but not necessarily Iraq.”


Apparently Trump had a conversion about the time he started running for President ...

Trump at Feb. 14, 2016 debate:

“I’m the only one on this stage that said, ‘Do not go into Iraq. Do not attack Iraq.’ Nobody else on this stage said that. And I said it loud and strong. And I was in the private sector. I wasn’t a politician, fortunately. But I said it, and I said it loud and clear, ‘You’ll destabilize the Middle East.’ That’s exactly what happened.”


Such a liar.


Can you also start a thread about Hillery's flip-flops and lies? Probably more meat on that bone.


There are a number of those here already. But feel free to start another one. Does this mean you have admitted defeat on this issue? Because there is zero evidence that Donald Trump opposed the war in Iraq, let alone thought it would "destabilize the Middle East," before the war began. Considering he's holding that up as an example of his foreign policy foresight and wisdom, I think it's pretty important to debunk it entirely.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: Does this mean you have admitted defeat on this issue?


LOL uh...no...nice try though.

anything above that would give you an indication of 'admitting defeat"?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Does this mean you have admitted defeat on this issue?


LOL uh...no...nice try though.

anything above that would give you an indication of 'admitting defeat"?


Totally changing the subject? It's a common tactic.

So, do you have actual evidence that Trump said anything before the start of the Iraq War about it being a terrible idea that would destabilize the Middle East?
Anonymous
He didn't oppose the Iraq war until much later.

http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/04/no-donald-trump-didnt-oppose-iraq-war
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Does this mean you have admitted defeat on this issue?


LOL uh...no...nice try though.

anything above that would give you an indication of 'admitting defeat"?


Totally changing the subject? It's a common tactic.

So, do you have actual evidence that Trump said anything before the start of the Iraq War about it being a terrible idea that would destabilize the Middle East?


Quit digging. Hillary is the biggest hawk in the Democratic party. She lost to a junior senator because of her vote for the Iraq war. She is going to lose this cycle to a neophyte opposing the war from the start.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Does this mean you have admitted defeat on this issue?


LOL uh...no...nice try though.

anything above that would give you an indication of 'admitting defeat"?


Totally changing the subject? It's a common tactic.

So, do you have actual evidence that Trump said anything before the start of the Iraq War about it being a terrible idea that would destabilize the Middle East?


Quit digging. Hillary is the biggest hawk in the Democratic party. She lost to a junior senator because of her vote for the Iraq war. She is going to lose this cycle to a neophyte opposing the war from the start.


Again, evidence please that he opposed the war from the start.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Does this mean you have admitted defeat on this issue?


LOL uh...no...nice try though.

anything above that would give you an indication of 'admitting defeat"?


Totally changing the subject? It's a common tactic.

So, do you have actual evidence that Trump said anything before the start of the Iraq War about it being a terrible idea that would destabilize the Middle East?


Obfuscation and intentional confusion is also another tactic, particularly of those who don't have a leg to stand on.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hillary championed the Iraq war.

Donald Trump was on the record opposing the war with Joe Scarborough on his show Scarborough Country in 2003.


Clinton did not champion the war. She might have been naive in voting to give Bush the authority to decide to go to war, but her own words before her vote are definitively not championing intervention.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

It helps your arguments to tell the truth.



We can't elect a naive person to be the president. How many lives has naive Hillary destroyed with her hawkish policies in the middle east? Bernie is right - she is not qualified to be the president just on the Iraq war alone. Anyone who voted for that disastrous war is not qualified to be the president of the united states. Being naive is not an excuse for millions of lives and trillions of treasure.



Bernie did not always think so

Sanders announced on Vermont Public Television, ?Not only am I going to vote for John Kerry, I am going to run around this country and do everything I can to dissuade people from voting for Ralph Nader... I am going to do everything I can, while I have differences with John Kerry, to make sure that he is elected.?
Anonymous
Trump, one day into the Iraq War, tells Neil Cavuto "it looks like a tremendous success."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-one-day-into-iraq-invasion-it-looks-like-a-tremendous?utm_term=.fvWpxDll7#.oqDq0WYY2
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