New research on infant vaccine schedule

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:i'm SO angry and confused about this whole thing. i would like to use the alternate vaccine schedule advocated in dr. sears' book (an excellent, unbiased approach IMHO), but the only doc I can find around here (not exactly a remote location but the nation's capital) is a fringe one who doesn't take insurance, and it' lucky that he even exists.

why will no mainstream pediatricians be flexible on this? IMO, they are just worried about covering the whole thing up.


Did your doctor actually refuse to give your child the shots in the order that you want? I find that a lot of doctors will play hard-ball; however if you stand firm and demand that your child get their shots on a particular delayed/separated schedule, then they will go along with it. The key is to simply refuse to acquiesce to their scare tactics, and stand firm regarding what you want. It's not like you are refusing all vaccinations for goodness sake! Take in the Dr. Sears book and say "this is how my child will be vaccinated." Remember that you have hired your doctor to serve yours and your child's needs. Any doctor who claims it is dangerous to alter the current vaccine schedule in any way at all is out of their minds, obviously doesn't understand all the diseases, and not someone I would want as my pedicatrician anyway.
Anonymous
My ped is definitely pro vaccine and my first was vaccinated on schedule...with my next due later this year i was thinking of maying delaying some or spacing out a bit more...i asked my ped and he said he is open minded to a reasonable alternative schedule...so if i can come up with one that makes sense he is fine with that. he also mentioned when parents start spacing them out they often become lazy and don't come in and get their kids all the shots and their kids are left partially vaccinated...which is why a lot of peds are hesitant to allow spacing.
Anonymous
he also mentioned when parents start spacing them out they often become lazy and don't come in and get their kids all the shots and their kids are left partially vaccinated...which is why a lot of peds are hesitant to allow spacing.


You know, I am actually one of these parents myself! I have blown off two booster shots now -- which I fully intend to have DC get -- because I just haven't got around to making the appointment.

I tell you what, though. When your child is getting ready for school (real school, not daycare), you'll feel the urgency to stay on (delayed, whatever) schedule because there will be all kinds of firm, unpleasant letters with joint state-school district letterhead on them. And your kid doesn't get to go to school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
he also mentioned when parents start spacing them out they often become lazy and don't come in and get their kids all the shots and their kids are left partially vaccinated...which is why a lot of peds are hesitant to allow spacing.


You know, I am actually one of these parents myself! I have blown off two booster shots now -- which I fully intend to have DC get -- because I just haven't got around to making the appointment.

I tell you what, though. When your child is getting ready for school (real school, not daycare), you'll feel the urgency to stay on (delayed, whatever) schedule because there will be all kinds of firm, unpleasant letters with joint state-school district letterhead on them. And your kid doesn't get to go to school.


School's overated anyway. Who needs booksmarts when they can develop streetsmarts?
Anonymous
from angry and confused here. would anyone be willing to share names of pediatricians (preferably in DC, tho southern Md and no. Va. okay too) who are open to the alt schedule similar to dr. sears book?

much obliged.
Anonymous
There is one doctor listed on Dr. Sears' website:

Matt Irwin, M.D., M.S.W.
517 Wythe Street
Alexandria, VA 22314
(703) 780-1261

Hopefully more will be listed soon.

HTH.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Our kids don't have a snowball's chance in hell of being one of the 1,200 people per year ON THE ENTIRE GLOBE who get polio


The reason why polio is so rare is that we now vaccinate! With global travel and movement so easy these days, I would hate to think of my child being exposed to polio by some global traveler! Think about the epidemiology of diseases like SARS. It started with just a few people and then spread quickly. Airline travel made the spread much wider than what one might expect!
Anonymous
Correct me if I'm wrong (which I often am) but isn't it the thermisol in the vaccinations that is linked to Autism? Many vaccinations are not made without this chemical now, and you can find out which ones have it and which don't, and your doctor's office is required to tell you which manufacturer they use on your child.
Anonymous
There has never been any proven link between vaccinations and Autism. Back in the 90's people started pointing their finger at thermisol. There was never any proven link, but there was worry that people were not going to vaccinate their children because of concern about thermisol, so they removed thermisol from children's vaccines. Then people started saying that instead of thermisol, perhaps is is the MMR vaccine. Once again there hasn't really been any proven link, so now people are grasping around again and saying perhaps it is all childhood vaccines.

It kinda reminds me of the 80's and 90's when women were getting silicon breast implants. Then some of these women would come down with fibromialgia or some other disease after the implant. Their reasoning was "I was perfectly healthy before the implants, but later I got sick, therefore it is the implants fault." Many sued the manufacturers and won. Silicon breast implants were taken of the market. Studies showed though, that women with breast implants showed no higher incidence of any of the claimed diseases, than the general female population. There was no link.
Anonymous
i brought the vaccine book w/ me to my DD 2 mo apt and reviewed the schedule i wanted w/the doc. she questioned some of the data then went and got the product inserts and confirmed it (we were focusing on the aluminum content in the vaccines). She agreed to let me space them out I go to Ped Assoc. in Wheaton--301.933.6440.
Anonymous
There has never been any proven link between vaccinations and Autism.


That's because there has never been any decent research into this issue. Vaccines are only studied individually for a couple of weeks at a time. And thimerosol is only one of a number of toxins in vaccines. Did you watch Dr. Healy's video? Did you read the primate article? Or are you just spouting off the party line?
Anonymous
I agree with the PP. I think the issue is that the research hasn't been done to conclusively show that the current vaccine schedule (the large number of vaccinations given to small children in an abbreviated period of time) does or does not have a link to autism or other disorders such as ADD. There have been a small number of studies that show that perhaps individual ingredients (such as thimersol) in vaccines do not cause autism or that an individual vaccine (MMR) does not cause autism. There has been no broad-ranging well-balanced studied comparing the autism/ADD rates of unvaccinated versus vaccinated children. Former high level NIH officials say that these studies can and should be conducted but that they haven't been. Remember, for vaccines to be approved, the vaccine manufacturer only needs to show that that particular vaccine is safe and effective. They do not need to show that the vaccine, in combination with ALL the other vaccines received by children, is safe. I think there is an assumption that the simultaneous administration of all these live vaccines is safe, but there has been no research to conclusively show that. In fact, the animal study cited above shows otherwise. The NIH official mentioned in the other article was very rational when speaking about the need to conduct the necessary studies. Her point isn't that people should not vaccinate or be scared of vaccinating, but that if there are certain vulnerable populations of children out there who are more susceptible to adverse reactions, shouldn't we obtain that knowledge and personalize their vaccine schedules so that they are exposed to less risk?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Oh gawd, I'm generally a very scientific person (I have a PhD) and have eschewed the whole autism vaccine connection, but I saw this today and freaked, as I'm now carrying a new baby who will be vaxed when s/he is born. Anyone have any thoughts? I already had planned to not give more than 2 at a time, but man, this freaks the hell out of me.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/107994.php


Please don't be freaked out, check out this link from FDA on the number of vaccinations that your child will receive which are now thimerosal free or were always thimerosal free:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

I agree with one of the PPs that said the reason there is higher rates of autism is that it is reported more. The same can be said for spousal abuse, child abuse, etc. There is more information out there, more protections and therefore higher rates of reporting.
Anonymous
i know about Dr. Irwin-thanks. has anyone used his practice and have any comments good/bad about it/him?
any other peds who are open, instead of openly hostile, about a delayed vaccine sked? TIA.
Anonymous
To the 1:23 poster - can you post the name of the doc you see at Ped Assoc in Wheaton? I just called their Silver Spring office and was told that they would not space out the vaccines.

If anyone else has a ped in PG or Montgomery counties who is friendly toward spacing them and using the lower aluminum versions, please post their info! The office I've been going to (Children's pediatricians and Associiates in Greenbelt) hasn't given me too much truoble about not doing the Heb B yet - my son is 8 weeks now - but they won't order the lower aluminum brand of the DTap for me.

Thanks.
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