Everything about your post is wrong and weird. The ACLU had nothing to do with boy scouts admitting girls. As for "small potatoes"... not sure what you mean there, but there are about 1.1 million girl members of GSUSA and about 1.2 million youth members of Scouts BSA, so seems like the potatoes are roughly the same size. |
I'm an Eagle Scout, have two of my own sons, and happily welcome girls/trans kids/LGBTQ kids + parents into Scouts BSA (if that's what they want to do). At the same time, I also support Girl Scouts of USA being exclusively for girls and getting their own space (if that's what they want to do). There's enough options here to accommodate everyone. The good thing about Scouts BSA is that you can find every type of troop/pack that caters to your liking. A church can decide that their Scouts BSA troop will be boys-only and only open to members of their church. Across town, there will be a Scouts BSA troop that has separate boy-only and girl-only units based out of a school. And then down the street you have a fully co-ed Scouts BSA troop at a Unitarian Church that has a strong presence of LBGTQ kids and families. Something for everyone. That's OK. |
Because as long as certain groups, including women, experience discrimination, they deserve to have dedicated spaces where they can explore their identity and concerns without white men present.
I am a parent to two white boys and I coach an elementary level coed activity while my spouse leads a Cub Scout den. I assure you that 8-11 yr old girls do not want to spend more time with 8-11 yr old boys. Maybe in K and 1st there are more shared interests, but the 4th grade girls I know want to make crafts, plan their cookie booths, go camping, explore career options, and do science experiments without a bunch of loud, obnoxious, smelly boys around. |
Why would they want to? Girl Scouts seems to exist to just get girls to sell cookies. Its a MLM org for girls. |
As a mom of two boys, there are plenty of boys only spaces available. The whole of US society centers on whiteness, straightness, and maleness being the neutral standard and any other identity is just that, an “Other” that must be specified and defined. If you don’t understand why people defined by their otherness would want designated spaces or if you feel like the existence of those spaces is somehow denying your sons something they are entitled to, then you are part of reason those spaces are needed in the first place. |
I have no problem with girl scouts being exclusive to girls at all. But your statement is a part of the problem. Boys don't want to be around a bunch of smelly, loud, obnoxious girls either. |
DP. That poster may be part of the reason those spaces are needed but her sons aren't. They are kids. And while girls-only spaces are good for girls, it is also true that boys-only spaces are good for boys, combined with coed spaces. As women continue to advocate for girls- and women-only spaces, it makes no sense to me that they refuse to understand why boys- or men-only spaces might also be a good idea. |
The statement in bold makes so much sense to me. I am the parent of a daughter and a son, BTW. |
Boys have boys only spaces. There's a couple parallels to Girls on the Run for boys. BSA is mostly separated by gender at the pack, troop, or patrol level. |
Who refuses to understand why boys-only spaces might be a good idea? It was Boy Scouts who changed their policy because of plummeting membership and lots of legal fees. Plenty of all-boys schools and boys-only programs exist still. As a girl scout leader and mom to a boy and a girl, I think it was a terrible idea for Boy Scouts to go coed, but that was their decision, and had **nothing** to do with Girl Scouts or with girls in general. |
I remember this, not enough boys wanted to join. |
Except they do all of the activities with girls, including camping and camps. So no, they are not boy only spaces. |
That is completely dependent on the troop. There are still many boys-only troops/packs that don't do things with girls. There are also many functionally-coed troops/packs. If you can't find a boys-only troop, just post on your local facebook page or PTA group or whatever and I'm sure someone can help you connect. |
You're missing the point. Whatever the reason was for the organization to start accepting girls, they do as a matter of policy. Girl Scouts do not. |
Thin Mints, ftw! Never affiliated with Girl Scouts. I would gladly pay for those MLM cookies. To me it's a seasonal treat and an opportunity to be friendly to co-workers. No worse than Paul Newman's or Whole Foods cookie prices. Fundraising skills are relevant to adulthood...communicating objectives, asking for support, being part of a community, etc. The girls that are in it seem to be having fun and learning something. I do think it was a bit of a market share grab by the Boy Scouts but I can appreciate that some people want to affiliate with a single organization for their entire set of kids. |