New director awful. How are orgs so bad at picking competent leaders.

[Anonymous]

What about the 4pm mtg they set then? And all your hemming and hawing about people leaving at 3pm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WTF - are people really throwing a fit about a 4pm mtg!?

When do people leave the office over there or get in? Is this Club Fed?

It's not that it was after 4 PM, it is the fact that they set it after 4PM essentially the day of. It causes havoc with people that have families and need to pick kids up from daycare, especially if they have a spouse traveling for work.

Yup can have core hours at your company from 9-3 and then require people to stay after of the day they have to pickup their kids they get in early to start at 7 AM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have a gripe about a meeting being changed to 4PM. Boo hoo. That's part of the workday.

The micromanaging is obviously a problem. I can see a person who is new try to really jump in to try to get a sense of everything and everyone in the organization and then pull back later when they start to trust people, but trying to edit documents for hundreds of people is nuts. I can't imagine the documents would need substantive edits by the time they get to the director.

No, it is not part of the work day. Our org has flexible hours. People come in as early as 6 AM to start work so they they can finish early and take care of their families. It causes huge strain on their familial obligations if a meeting gets changed in less than 24 hours for late in the day past 4 PM so that the terrible director can attend a meeting 5 levels below her 15 minutes late.

That goodness you dont deal with any outside vendors or clients since you all can make up your own work hours. How blessed.

Hope your group is pulling in industry margins or better.

Thank God we don't work in your sh!tty industry.

Lol, it happened again this week. Meeting got changed at the last minute for 4-5PM. Someone got into a car accident with their kids because they had to go pick them up and were trying to manage a crazy stupid meeting at the last minute.

You also miss the major point. The reason meetings are being pushed so late is so that someone way high up can attend meetings and discussions for front line work 5 levels below her. It's insane micromanagement. She could I dunno, not attend the meetings because she trusts the employees hired and their managers above them rather than try to do all of the front line work herself? Crazy thought, I know!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have a gripe about a meeting being changed to 4PM. Boo hoo. That's part of the workday.

The micromanaging is obviously a problem. I can see a person who is new try to really jump in to try to get a sense of everything and everyone in the organization and then pull back later when they start to trust people, but trying to edit documents for hundreds of people is nuts. I can't imagine the documents would need substantive edits by the time they get to the director.

No, it is not part of the work day. Our org has flexible hours. People come in as early as 6 AM to start work so they they can finish early and take care of their families. It causes huge strain on their familial obligations if a meeting gets changed in less than 24 hours for late in the day past 4 PM so that the terrible director can attend a meeting 5 levels below her 15 minutes late.

That goodness you dont deal with any outside vendors or clients since you all can make up your own work hours. How blessed.

Hope your group is pulling in industry margins or better.

Thank God we don't work in your sh!tty industry.

Lol, it happened again this week. Meeting got changed at the last minute for 4-5PM. Someone got into a car accident with their kids because they had to go pick them up and were trying to manage a crazy stupid meeting at the last minute.

You also miss the major point. The reason meetings are being pushed so late is so that someone way high up can attend meetings and discussions for front line work 5 levels below her. It's insane micromanagement. She could I dunno, not attend the meetings because she trusts the employees hired and their managers above them rather than try to do all of the front line work herself? Crazy thought, I know!

Sounds like a clown show over there.

People leaving the office at 3pm to race around and pick up kids and driving them in circles for hours and hours.

Hire a nanny or college kid to drive that stuff. Yesterday. Get childcare if both work and you have kids age 0-16 and you’re too lazy to set up car pools with others’ Nannie’s.

Work office hours exist for exactly the reason YOU brought up - communication, reachability, and team work at the offices

Shocking news flash!!

[Anonymous]

I’d put someone on PIP if they were frantically driving around at 4pm instead of reachable for work calls.

Love to to know what company or fed department and function this is. I can’t image its productivity and lack thereof.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have a gripe about a meeting being changed to 4PM. Boo hoo. That's part of the workday.

The micromanaging is obviously a problem. I can see a person who is new try to really jump in to try to get a sense of everything and everyone in the organization and then pull back later when they start to trust people, but trying to edit documents for hundreds of people is nuts. I can't imagine the documents would need substantive edits by the time they get to the director.

No, it is not part of the work day. Our org has flexible hours. People come in as early as 6 AM to start work so they they can finish early and take care of their families. It causes huge strain on their familial obligations if a meeting gets changed in less than 24 hours for late in the day past 4 PM so that the terrible director can attend a meeting 5 levels below her 15 minutes late.

That goodness you dont deal with any outside vendors or clients since you all can make up your own work hours. How blessed.

Hope your group is pulling in industry margins or better.

Thank God we don't work in your sh!tty industry.

Lol, it happened again this week. Meeting got changed at the last minute for 4-5PM. Someone got into a car accident with their kids because they had to go pick them up and were trying to manage a crazy stupid meeting at the last minute.

You also miss the major point. The reason meetings are being pushed so late is so that someone way high up can attend meetings and discussions for front line work 5 levels below her. It's insane micromanagement. She could I dunno, not attend the meetings because she trusts the employees hired and their managers above them rather than try to do all of the front line work herself? Crazy thought, I know!

Sounds like a clown show over there.

People leaving the office at 3pm to race around and pick up kids and driving them in circles for hours and hours.

Hire a nanny or college kid to drive that stuff. Yesterday. Get childcare if both work and you have kids age 0-16 and you’re too lazy to set up car pools with others’ Nannie’s.

Work office hours exist for exactly the reason YOU brought up - communication, reachability, and team work at the offices

Shocking news flash!!

Who tf has Nannie’s and personal drivers?


Newsflash dimwit: not everyone is rich. Shocking you can understand that and the concept of core office hours written into policy.

[Anonymous]

When our new Director came on, she too wanted to attend every meeting. And I thought it was a good thing. She sat back and observed for a month. I also think the regular staff loved seeing her at a meeting. She didn't make big changes though. We're already a well functioning organization. She HAS rewritten and reviewed work product from regular program staff. While it's disconcerting, it keeps them on their toes knowing that senior leaders care and are paying attention/reading.

I see no issues whatsoever with a 4pm meeting. Anything before 5 is fair game. 4:30 is the latest I'd personally schedule, but I don't mind meeting with people until 5pm.

[Anonymous]

Bureaucracies tend to pick people who don't rock the boat and have fewer enemies. Doesn't make for the most competent leadership because to make things happen in a bureaucracy, often you'll make enemies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have a gripe about a meeting being changed to 4PM. Boo hoo. That's part of the workday.

The micromanaging is obviously a problem. I can see a person who is new try to really jump in to try to get a sense of everything and everyone in the organization and then pull back later when they start to trust people, but trying to edit documents for hundreds of people is nuts. I can't imagine the documents would need substantive edits by the time they get to the director.

No, it is not part of the work day. Our org has flexible hours. People come in as early as 6 AM to start work so they they can finish early and take care of their families. It causes huge strain on their familial obligations if a meeting gets changed in less than 24 hours for late in the day past 4 PM so that the terrible director can attend a meeting 5 levels below her 15 minutes late.

That goodness you dont deal with any outside vendors or clients since you all can make up your own work hours. How blessed.

Hope your group is pulling in industry margins or better.

Thank God we don't work in your sh!tty industry.

Lol, it happened again this week. Meeting got changed at the last minute for 4-5PM. Someone got into a car accident with their kids because they had to go pick them up and were trying to manage a crazy stupid meeting at the last minute.

You also miss the major point. The reason meetings are being pushed so late is so that someone way high up can attend meetings and discussions for front line work 5 levels below her. It's insane micromanagement. She could I dunno, not attend the meetings because she trusts the employees hired and their managers above them rather than try to do all of the front line work herself? Crazy thought, I know!

She doesn’t. You should be concerned that you and your peers are not capable of doing the work and now a senior level person has to get involved. That doesn’t bode well for your future employment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d put someone on PIP if they were frantically driving around at 4pm instead of reachable for work calls.

Love to to know what company or fed department and function this is. I can’t image its productivity and lack thereof.

That's silly. If someone's hours are 7:00 am - 3:30 pm, they plan their lives around those hours, including pick up and childcare. Parents (and non parents) have flexibility on some days and not others.

The new CEO is either getting bad advice or has a terrible management style, or both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d put someone on PIP if they were frantically driving around at 4pm instead of reachable for work calls.

Love to to know what company or fed department and function this is. I can’t image its productivity and lack thereof.

For what? Following company policy and working core hours as directed? They get in at 6:30 and head out by 3:45. Core hours are only 9-3. Why would you retaliate because so,done followed company policy for flexible work hours?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have a gripe about a meeting being changed to 4PM. Boo hoo. That's part of the workday.

The micromanaging is obviously a problem. I can see a person who is new try to really jump in to try to get a sense of everything and everyone in the organization and then pull back later when they start to trust people, but trying to edit documents for hundreds of people is nuts. I can't imagine the documents would need substantive edits by the time they get to the director.

No, it is not part of the work day. Our org has flexible hours. People come in as early as 6 AM to start work so they they can finish early and take care of their families. It causes huge strain on their familial obligations if a meeting gets changed in less than 24 hours for late in the day past 4 PM so that the terrible director can attend a meeting 5 levels below her 15 minutes late.

That goodness you dont deal with any outside vendors or clients since you all can make up your own work hours. How blessed.

Hope your group is pulling in industry margins or better.

Thank God we don't work in your sh!tty industry.

Lol, it happened again this week. Meeting got changed at the last minute for 4-5PM. Someone got into a car accident with their kids because they had to go pick them up and were trying to manage a crazy stupid meeting at the last minute.

You also miss the major point. The reason meetings are being pushed so late is so that someone way high up can attend meetings and discussions for front line work 5 levels below her. It's insane micromanagement. She could I dunno, not attend the meetings because she trusts the employees hired and their managers above them rather than try to do all of the front line work herself? Crazy thought, I know!

She doesn’t. You should be concerned that you and your peers are not capable of doing the work and now a senior level person has to get involved. That doesn’t bode well for your future employment.

lol.


You sound like a horrific manager. Bet every single one of your employees hates you and your micromanaging style. How could 800 employees possibly be incapable of doing the work?

[Anonymous]

When it's ok to schedule a meeting is a function of the core hours and norms of an organization. For a leader to come in and start changing meeting times in ways that disrupt peoples' schedules, which they may have discussed when applying -- that's not how you build functional organizations, and people with the best external options will be the first to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When our new Director came on, she too wanted to attend every meeting. And I thought it was a good thing. She sat back and observed for a month. I also think the regular staff loved seeing her at a meeting. She didn't make big changes though. We're already a well functioning organization. She HAS rewritten and reviewed work product from regular program staff. While it's disconcerting, it keeps them on their toes knowing that senior leaders care and are paying attention/reading.

I see no issues whatsoever with a 4pm meeting. Anything before 5 is fair game. 4:30 is the latest I'd personally schedule, but I don't mind meeting with people until 5pm.

If your office has set 9-5 hours then a 430 is acceptable. With the advent of flexible schedules and flex time, core hours become that much more important to respect and those core hours are determined usually by the org. If this new director is not following that, she's ruffling feathers. She can either give a X day notice that there are no longer flex hours or she can adhere to the operational style of her current organization.

Its these same people who expect an 8am meeting and a 5pm meeting. Thats not tenable.

[Anonymous]

Also for her to be DRIVING home after changing a meeting time and requiring everyone else to be in the office. Good luck to her.