Hebrew Catholics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to be Jewish? Is it an ethnicity, a culture, a religion, or all three? Can one be a Jewish atheist?

There is a difference between celebrating Hanukkah and other Jewish holidays and actively accepting traditional Jewish prayers that suggest the Messiah has not yet come.

Religion.

No you can not be an atheist and be Jewish.

Are you stupid?
You must be a troll.

I'm not sure you understand how Judaism and Jewish identity work. It is in fact all three - an ethnicity, a culture, and a religion. There are atheist Jews. You just can't actively be another religion (like Catholic) and still also be religiously Jewish. It doesn't work that way.

[Anonymous]

I have one Catholic and one Buddhist parent. I feel comfortable going to both church and temple.

Please don’t discriminate against interfaith households and persons.

[Anonymous]

I am the opposite. I will always love churches for their architecture, and when I go to a one (which isn't often, just for sightseeing on trips, not worship), I light a candle for my beloved grandmothers who were both very devout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I have one Catholic and one Buddhist parent. I feel comfortable going to both church and temple.

Please don’t discriminate against interfaith households and persons.

Who is discriminating? What are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think of Jewish as a religion. For example if a Ukrainian Jew converts to Catholic that person is still Ukrainian but no longer Jewish. I think they can still celebrate Jewish culture but I would no longer think of them as Jewish. Judaism is a faith because it’s based on a set of beliefs.

You can "think of it" however you want, but Jewishness relates to ethnicity, religion, and culture - all three. Judaism is based on much more than a set of beliefs, religious or otherwise.

A Jewish person can convert to Catholicism but from the point of view of Judaism, they are still Jewish - culturally and ethnically - even if they practice another religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of Jewish as a religion. For example if a Ukrainian Jew converts to Catholic that person is still Ukrainian but no longer Jewish. I think they can still celebrate Jewish culture but I would no longer think of them as Jewish. Judaism is a faith because it’s based on a set of beliefs.

You can "think of it" however you want, but Jewishness relates to ethnicity, religion, and culture - all three. Judaism is based on much more than a set of beliefs, religious or otherwise.

A Jewish person can convert to Catholicism but from the point of view of Judaism, they are still Jewish - culturally and ethnically - even if they practice another religion.

Yes, sure, but why the need to go to a synagogue if they are no longer a practicing Jew, who doesn't believe in the Jewish faith anymore?

The initial question from OP doesn't make sense.

They need to go to a messianic congregation if they want to continue to feel Jewish but express and live out Christian beliefs.

Seems pretty simple to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of Jewish as a religion. For example if a Ukrainian Jew converts to Catholic that person is still Ukrainian but no longer Jewish. I think they can still celebrate Jewish culture but I would no longer think of them as Jewish. Judaism is a faith because it’s based on a set of beliefs.

You can "think of it" however you want, but Jewishness relates to ethnicity, religion, and culture - all three. Judaism is based on much more than a set of beliefs, religious or otherwise.

A Jewish person can convert to Catholicism but from the point of view of Judaism, they are still Jewish - culturally and ethnically - even if they practice another religion.

Yes, sure, but why the need to go to a synagogue if they are no longer a practicing Jew, who doesn't believe in the Jewish faith anymore?

The initial question from OP doesn't make sense.

They need to go to a messianic congregation if they want to continue to feel Jewish but express and live out Christian beliefs.

Seems pretty simple to me.

This question exposes your ignorance. Going to synagogue is not the marker of Jewishness. Synagogue attendance for Jewish people is not the equivalent of church attendance for Christians.

Messianic congregations are Christian churches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For Jews who have joined the Catholic Church, but retain their Jewish cultural/ethnic/religious identity, how have you done so? Do you go to mass and synagogue? Do you find yourself welcome in both communities?

Jews believe the messiah is coming;
Catholics believe the messiah has come (Jesus)

You can't swear before God to believe both (said the pre-marriage counselor when my spouse of over 25 years suggested we get the kids baptized for one set of grandparents and baby naming/bris for the other)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of Jewish as a religion. For example if a Ukrainian Jew converts to Catholic that person is still Ukrainian but no longer Jewish. I think they can still celebrate Jewish culture but I would no longer think of them as Jewish. Judaism is a faith because it’s based on a set of beliefs.

You can "think of it" however you want, but Jewishness relates to ethnicity, religion, and culture - all three. Judaism is based on much more than a set of beliefs, religious or otherwise.

A Jewish person can convert to Catholicism but from the point of view of Judaism, they are still Jewish - culturally and ethnically - even if they practice another religion.

Yes, sure, but why the need to go to a synagogue if they are no longer a practicing Jew, who doesn't believe in the Jewish faith anymore?

The initial question from OP doesn't make sense.

They need to go to a messianic congregation if they want to continue to feel Jewish but express and live out Christian beliefs.

Seems pretty simple to me.

This question exposes your ignorance. Going to synagogue is not the marker of Jewishness. Synagogue attendance for Jewish people is not the equivalent of church attendance for Christians.

Messianic congregations are Christian churches.

DP, but you're the one who's not making sense. The question for OP is why does this person who converted from Judaism to Catholicism want to return to synagogue for services? If they believe Jesus is the Messiah and have converted to Catholicism, there is nothing more religiously for them in Judaism. Ethnically/culturally, yes, I'm sure they will retain some elements of their Jewish identity. But I don't see how/why one would go to synagogue and pray for the coming of the Messiah (or Messianic age in Reform services) if you believe the Messiah already came, or if you believe that the New Testament replaced the covenant in the Tanakh.

I think the suggestion of Messianic congregations was made because they are Christian, so someone who is religiously Catholic, but still wants to feel Jewish sometimes could go there to their Christian services with some trappings of Judaism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of Jewish as a religion. For example if a Ukrainian Jew converts to Catholic that person is still Ukrainian but no longer Jewish. I think they can still celebrate Jewish culture but I would no longer think of them as Jewish. Judaism is a faith because it’s based on a set of beliefs.

You can "think of it" however you want, but Jewishness relates to ethnicity, religion, and culture - all three. Judaism is based on much more than a set of beliefs, religious or otherwise.

A Jewish person can convert to Catholicism but from the point of view of Judaism, they are still Jewish - culturally and ethnically - even if they practice another religion.

Yes, sure, but why the need to go to a synagogue if they are no longer a practicing Jew, who doesn't believe in the Jewish faith anymore?

The initial question from OP doesn't make sense.

They need to go to a messianic congregation if they want to continue to feel Jewish but express and live out Christian beliefs.

Seems pretty simple to me.

This question exposes your ignorance. Going to synagogue is not the marker of Jewishness. Synagogue attendance for Jewish people is not the equivalent of church attendance for Christians.

Messianic congregations are Christian churches.

DP, but you're the one who's not making sense. The question for OP is why does this person who converted from Judaism to Catholicism want to return to synagogue for services? If they believe Jesus is the Messiah and have converted to Catholicism, there is nothing more religiously for them in Judaism. Ethnically/culturally, yes, I'm sure they will retain some elements of their Jewish identity. But I don't see how/why one would go to synagogue and pray for the coming of the Messiah (or Messianic age in Reform services) if you believe the Messiah already came, or if you believe that the New Testament replaced the covenant in the Tanakh.

I think the suggestion of Messianic congregations was made because they are Christian, so someone who is religiously Catholic, but still wants to feel Jewish sometimes could go there to their Christian services with some trappings of Judaism.

Yes, thank you.

I am the "ignorant" PP who has said find a messianic congregation multiple times.

The whole point of messianic congregations is to have the feel of "Jewishness" but you are worshipping Jesus, which is obviously not in alignment with the Jewish faith.

But I'm the dummy! (sarcasm)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of Jewish as a religion. For example if a Ukrainian Jew converts to Catholic that person is still Ukrainian but no longer Jewish. I think they can still celebrate Jewish culture but I would no longer think of them as Jewish. Judaism is a faith because it’s based on a set of beliefs.

You can "think of it" however you want, but Jewishness relates to ethnicity, religion, and culture - all three. Judaism is based on much more than a set of beliefs, religious or otherwise.

A Jewish person can convert to Catholicism but from the point of view of Judaism, they are still Jewish - culturally and ethnically - even if they practice another religion.

Yes, sure, but why the need to go to a synagogue if they are no longer a practicing Jew, who doesn't believe in the Jewish faith anymore?

The initial question from OP doesn't make sense.

They need to go to a messianic congregation if they want to continue to feel Jewish but express and live out Christian beliefs.

Seems pretty simple to me.

This question exposes your ignorance. Going to synagogue is not the marker of Jewishness. Synagogue attendance for Jewish people is not the equivalent of church attendance for Christians.

Messianic congregations are Christian churches.

DP, but you're the one who's not making sense. The question for OP is why does this person who converted from Judaism to Catholicism want to return to synagogue for services? If they believe Jesus is the Messiah and have converted to Catholicism, there is nothing more religiously for them in Judaism. Ethnically/culturally, yes, I'm sure they will retain some elements of their Jewish identity. But I don't see how/why one would go to synagogue and pray for the coming of the Messiah (or Messianic age in Reform services) if you believe the Messiah already came, or if you believe that the New Testament replaced the covenant in the Tanakh.

I think the suggestion of Messianic congregations was made because they are Christian, so someone who is religiously Catholic, but still wants to feel Jewish sometimes could go there to their Christian services with some trappings of Judaism.

Yes, thank you.

I am the "ignorant" PP who has said find a messianic congregation multiple times.

The whole point of messianic congregations is to have the feel of "Jewishness" but you are worshipping Jesus, which is obviously not in alignment with the Jewish faith.

But I'm the dummy! (sarcasm)

I think PP has misread you and/or OP. Seems like a simple case of misunderstanding that PP is taking too far with name-calling. We seem to all be in agreement that Messianic congregations are churches and not really Jewish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For Jews who have joined the Catholic Church, but retain their Jewish cultural/ethnic/religious identity, how have you done so? Do you go to mass and synagogue? Do you find yourself welcome in both communities?

You can’t be both Catholic and Jewish.

You can be Catholic by faith and Jewish by ethnic background. Here are some Jewish converts to Catholics explaining that in their own words: https://chnetwork.org/converts/jewish/

But how can a Jew who has joined the Catholic Church retain their religious identity?

Exactly, the pp you responded to makes no sense.

I’m the PP and I specifically was talking about the ethnic aspect, which makes perfect sense. The OP asked about numerous aspects of Jewishness, not just religious identity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please do not use DCUM to try to convert people out. Yuck.

What is yucky about sharing experiences? If you were secure in our own identity, you would not be reacting like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does it mean to be Jewish? Is it an ethnicity, a culture, a religion, or all three? Can one be a Jewish atheist?

There is a difference between celebrating Hanukkah and other Jewish holidays and actively accepting traditional Jewish prayers that suggest the Messiah has not yet come.

Religion.

No you can not be an atheist and be Jewish.

Are you stupid?
You must be a troll.

I'm not sure you understand how Judaism and Jewish identity work. It is in fact all three - an ethnicity, a culture, and a religion. There are atheist Jews. You just can't actively be another religion (like Catholic) and still also be religiously Jewish. It doesn't work that way.

^This. You retain your ethnicity, obviously (which is different from nationality). Jewish culture is very intertwined with the Jewish religion though, and herein lies the problem for some converts. An acquaintance who is ethnically Jewish said that his community made it clear that, basically, he could believe anything he wanted and remain culturally Jewish EXCEPT for claiming that Jesus is the Messiah. Then you're out. Pray to mother earth, talk to flowers, practice astrology, whatever, just absolutely no Jesus is eternal God claims.

[Anonymous]

This is absurd
Jews are not jesus freaks.
Jews do not support a Pope who just said Ukraine should bow down and let Russia take them.
Jews do not support child sex abuse and keep the lawsuits going.
Jews do not have $25 Billion in the bank on the back of .......

Yeah OP you are dumb.