KC Chiefs fans - suspicious deaths...

[Anonymous]

I don't see how you guys are buying his story, which has changed a few times. If there was no foul play, there is no need to avoid everyone and change your story. Even with an overdose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't see how you guys are buying his story, which has changed a few times. If there was no foul play, there is no need to avoid everyone and change your story. Even with an overdose.

Ok - I get that it's off, but what's the motive? Even if you want to kill your friends, leaving them in the backyard is not really a good idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He avoided phone calls the next two days, and refused to answer the door. He did something or he's the world's biggest dolt.

This made me wonder if he was as incapacitated as his friends were and only survived because he was indoors.

+1 my thoughts as well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't see how you guys are buying his story, which has changed a few times. If there was no foul play, there is no need to avoid everyone and change your story. Even with an overdose.

There are meant criminal and otherwise bad embarrassing behaviors that can leave people dead, besides murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He avoided phone calls the next two days, and refused to answer the door. He did something or he's the world's biggest dolt.

This made me wonder if he was as incapacitated as his friends were and only survived because he was indoors.

Yes, makes me wonder if they all took something or got fall down drunk and he was the only one who didn't freeze to death.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone figured out yet how to make this Tay Tay's fault?

[Anonymous]

They got ahold of something laced with fentanyl I bet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They got ahold of something laced with fentanyl I bet.

Absolutely, and the guy who lived there also took it but came to the next day instead of dying. And probably felt like SH*T and didn’t leave his bedroom or answer his phone.

[Anonymous]

I am a former prosecutor.

This case is heartbreaking because it painfully exemplifies the shortcomings of state crime laboratories and the ridiculous backlogs of evidence handling.

Regular people watch TV shows about law enforcement that are so far out of keeping with reality, they just can't understand that it is standard operating procedure for LEOs to wait months for the toxicology and any other advanced testing that is required to establish cause of death or to match evidence against suspects so that death certificates can be issued and/or charges be brought in certain crimes where they exist.

The facts of this case seem clear on their face to me: there are no signs of foul play, or law enforcement would be all over the resident/friend of the home where the bodies where found. The only logical assumption is that, like many other cases we have seen reported in the news in recent years, these guys all took some drugs together and they all became incapacitated together and most likely died of respiratory failure before the cold even set into their bodies.

I feel for the families in their anguish. Both parties like to talk about being tough on crime, but the criminal justice system has been chronically underfunded since I first started working in it nearly 30 years ago. If we funded the system properly the families would likely know the answer to what happened within days, instead of months. But because of chain of custody, etc., the state is not going to release the evidence to a private lab for testing which, at a price, could get the answers very quickly.

[Anonymous]

I bet they all took drugs. I wonder if the 3 who died were smokers. They took drugs and then went out to smoke on the deck (because why else would you be on a deck when it's freezing outside?!) and the drugs hit them out there. I bet the homeowner was incapacitated too. I wonder if the homeowner wasn't a smoker. Since two were found on the back porch, I bet they were smoking and the front porch guy was maybe trying to leave or get something from his car?

I really hate reporting like this. He can't be a suspect yet, toxicology reports take weeks to come back and we don't know whether the suspect has been truthful with police or not.

[Anonymous]

I think they all took something, 3 went outside for whatever reason and passed out, he stayed inside and passed out, and then he freaked out because he possibly supplied the drugs or just doesn't want to be liable for it happening at his house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet they all took drugs. I wonder if the 3 who died were smokers. They took drugs and then went out to smoke on the deck (because why else would you be on a deck when it's freezing outside?!) and the drugs hit them out there. I bet the homeowner was incapacitated too. I wonder if the homeowner wasn't a smoker. Since two were found on the back porch, I bet they were smoking and the front porch guy was maybe trying to leave or get something from his car?

I really hate reporting like this. He can't be a suspect yet, toxicology reports take weeks to come back and we don't know whether the suspect has been truthful with police or not.

Just to clarify, all the men were in the backyard - one on the porch in a lawn chair, the other two in another area of the yard.

My guess is that they went outside to smoke, one sat down and the other two went off in a corner to relieve themselves outside and the drugs took hold of them in that area while the guy sitting down became unconscious there.

I am open to the possibility that as the case develops that maybe it will be revealed that homeowner also took drugs and became incapacitated inside and at some point came around and found his friends dead outside and panicked and avoided communication until the cops showed up at his door.

However, police are trained to have some skills of detection in this regard and also wouldn't he have left footprints going into the yard? Or maybe he saw them out of the windows and could see they were beyond help and went into panic mode and stayed inside and didn't answer any calls/messages but did open door to police.

Cause of death is definitely going to be drug related. There is no other sensible or plausible explanation for three grown men being dead under these circumstances without any signs of foul play. There may be criminal charges involved ultimately, likely against the supplier of the drugs if said person can be identified.

[Anonymous]

It's easy to verify his story from internet activity.

The car part is suspicious to me

[Anonymous]

Honestly I don’t get what the big mystery is. Autopsy will confirm drug use, which can’t be a big shock to the families.

Sure, they didn’t mean to die but hey- take drugs, you take your chances.

Agree with the theory that the 3 who died were leaving and collapsed in the cold. Homeowner was passed out too. They were all stupid; he was just lucky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He avoided phone calls the next two days, and refused to answer the door. He did something or he's the world's biggest dolt.

This made me wonder if he was as incapacitated as his friends were and only survived because he was indoors.

+1 my thoughts as well

+2 This is what I was thinking too. They all took fentanyl or other drugs. Three of them became incapacitated outside and froze to death. The homeowner became incapacitated inside and lived only because he was indoors.