Is the future of higher ed in the South?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Quality of life at places like Auburn, Alabama, and George is insane. Gorgeous weather, gorgeous people.

Not sure if you actually grew up in the south or not but I don't know if you'd describe Alabama or Georgia as "gorgeous". Morbid obesity is a huge problem across the South.
Sure, there are some good looking people but you could go to CA or CO for more physically fit people.

I meant the Universities dipsh*t. What, I have to literally spell that out for you?

Um, moron, I did go to school in the south. I know precisely what I'm talking about. And no, the entire student populations are not "gorgeous". You may be confusing a singular sorority with the entire school population.

My original comment stands. I think the student population at Boulder is likely in better shape than Bama or UGA

You think Boulder potheads are in good shape?

Weird comment. Yes, CO smokes a lot of weed. But so do students at UF, Texas, UGA, Bama, and other schools. And they drink a ton. They also do copious amounts of drugs. So I'd say that Austin and Boulder are on par with the drug taking - having spent time in both.

But yes, in general, the CO weed-smoking drinkers were fitter than the ATX weed-smoking drinkers due to the fact that the CO kids were always out hiking, boarding, biking, snowshoeing and doing perpetual mountain stuff that is sorely lacking in other parts of the country. I will definitely give points to Colorado kids for that. I wish we had a culture of fitness in the south. Sadly, we do not.

The football coach at CO complained about the smell of pot in the stadium. That is not happening anywhere else. Gross.

Downtown DC smells of pot. It is happening everywhere else.

Have any other coaches complained about excessive pot bothering them on the sideline? That is extreme for a college campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The article is of course a decent amount of clickbait. The actual stats they quote don’t show any kind of massive shift…it’s honestly fairly lite on stats in general.

Post your specific stats.

Well, it says applications to certain private universities in the south increased by 42% vs about 28% in the North. Great, but Tulane with 34,000 applications for 1800 slots is still well below say Yale with 55,000 applications for 1350 slots or any number of northern private schools.

They say public schools had a 62% increase, yet again, no mention of the base from which they are growing. So University of Alabama had 55,000 applications this past year for 8,000 slots (BTW, they need to accept
Close to 40,000 to yield 8,000) but that’s almost 50% less than Penn State at 106,000 applications…and the same as Yale which is 1/8 the size.

Also, neither Yale or Penn State saw a decline in applications…but it’s hard to achieve high growth rates from very high starting points.

Penn State posts stats for their entire system, Alabama does not. Try again.

Ok…how about 150,000 applications for UCLA…or 56,000 to UMD college park for 4500 slots.

If Alabama is such a hot school…shouldn’t it have more applications than UMD or Yale?

Look at Tennessee’s applications this year and compare to five years ago. Try to find a northern public that statically increased more.

So they are up to 57,000 applicants which was 15% growth over last year amd down from 40% growth the previous year. That is for 7,000 slots.

More accurately, UT Knoxville is now finally as popular as UMD college Park (and again…barely ahead of Yale which also had a 10% increase in applications).

Had UMd grown or declined?

Grown. From 32,000 in 2019 to 56,000.

Fairly similar to UT though not quite (29,000 to 57,000), but a much smaller school 18,000 vs 28,000 undergrads.

Five years ago nobody on this board would believe Tennessee is now keeping pace with UMD.

Honestly, I would have thought that way more people would apply to Tenn than MD considering it is double the size.

I would think way more people than 55,000 applied to Alabama considering it is 2.5x the size of UMD.

I am more surprised at UMD’s popularity.

What are you talking about?

Can you not read? I can’t help with your comprehension abilities.

Can you respond without attacking people? By size are you talking about acreage?

Size as in number of students.

Total students:
UMD: 41,000
UTK: 36,000
UA: 38,000

That includes grad students.

UMD has 30,000 undergrads, UTK has 29,000 and UAlabama has 32,000.

UMD received 56,000 applications for a freshman class of 4500…but transfers make up the delta. That’s why the 18,000 number is off.

They are all about the same size. Correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Trust me—-it’s coming for them too.
Austin has always been “the most liberal” of all the Texas cities, but that was verrrry relative. “Texas liberal” used to be someone who was basically a social libertarian. Mind your business and I’ll mind mine.

But in the last two decades, all the California crazies moved in and brought their left coast politics with them. UT is unrecognizable to me today.

Hardly. Have you ever considered that Texas kids are changing because this generation is different? Every state, especially Texas, has had an influx of immigrants, plus social mores and political philosophies have become more progressive/less traditional. This is true everywhere. I’m a Democrat in a blue state and even I don’t identify with college students.

No one was fleeing California for Texas two decades ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Trust me—-it’s coming for them too.
Austin has always been “the most liberal” of all the Texas cities, but that was verrrry relative. “Texas liberal” used to be someone who was basically a social libertarian. Mind your business and I’ll mind mine.

But in the last two decades, all the California crazies moved in and brought their left coast politics with them. UT is unrecognizable to me today.

Hardly. Have you ever considered that Texas kids are changing because this generation is different? Every state, especially Texas, has had an influx of immigrants, plus social mores and political philosophies have become more progressive/less traditional. This is true everywhere. I’m a Democrat in a blue state and even I don’t identify with college students.

No one was fleeing California for Texas two decades ago.

That’s only because they finally settled Colorado…my sister has been complaining about CA transplants for over 25 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Trust me—-it’s coming for them too.
Austin has always been “the most liberal” of all the Texas cities, but that was verrrry relative. “Texas liberal” used to be someone who was basically a social libertarian. Mind your business and I’ll mind mine.

But in the last two decades, all the California crazies moved in and brought their left coast politics with them. UT is unrecognizable to me today.

Hardly. Have you ever considered that Texas kids are changing because this generation is different? Every state, especially Texas, has had an influx of immigrants, plus social mores and political philosophies have become more progressive/less traditional. This is true everywhere. I’m a Democrat in a blue state and even I don’t identify with college students.

No one was fleeing California for Texas two decades ago.

You're just old now. It happens to all of us.

[Anonymous]

This old throws is based on a sour grapes rant.

"Even if I could’ve gotten into Harvard, I wouldn’t have gone.’" is actually the first line of the article.

[Anonymous]

Too hot down South...especially with global warming. You're better off looking at schools in Canada.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the South is known worldwide for its excellent education. The Athens of America.

There are lots of very good schools in the South - Duke, Vanderbilt, Rice, Emory, Georgia Tech, UNC Chapel Hill, UVA, Texas-Austin, Wake Forest, Florida. And while the region might be red, most of the good schools are located in very blue communities. Not everyone that goes to school in the South is there for shallow reasons. Many view the good schools down south as far preferable to the grim, humorless, ideologically-rigid selective schools in New England.

Look at Florida. All these great Southern schools were made great by people the current political leadership hates. The new South hates its best and will destroy it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Too hot down South...especially with global warming. You're better off looking at schools in Canada.

Canadian politicians are mostly a shitshow these days. They’re ruining a beautiful country. Bring back the country where we spent our summers growing up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the state of reproductive healthcare in the South, and I can see it having real-life impacts on girls and boys attending colleges there.

I take your point, but also if you want the politics to change, having liberals move there is a good start. Some states, Mississippi, for example, are probably so deep red it won’t happen, but Tennessee, for example, has both Nashville and Memphis and two other large university towns in Knoxville (u of Tennessee) and Murfreesboro (Middle TN State, which is the second largest college in the state with probably 30,000 students). Those places are fairly progressive and are barely outnumbered by the more rural places in the rest of the state. The state as a whole is not nearly as red as its legislative assembly would suggest. Sure, the Smokeys might be deep red, but mountains and moonshine distilleries don’t vote.

I'm not going to ruin my family's life to try to save people who don't want to be saved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the state of reproductive healthcare in the South, and I can see it having real-life impacts on girls and boys attending colleges there.

The rich out of state kids who go to the Southern flagships can afford to fly out of state to take care of such things.

Please stop: most of us are concerned about emergency situations when women are turned away from ERs and forced to bleed out in parking lots

Good luck, southerners

Actually we’re not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For North east applicants odds of making into Vandy, Rice and Duke are better due to geographical diversity.

No. All of New Jersey applies to all three of these schools, and 1/3 of New Jersey is admitted to Duke. Seriously.

Vandy is now close behind, and filled to the rafters with high stats grinders from NY/NJ/CT and DC/VA. These are not the "high quality of life" pretty people Greeks that DCUM imagines at Vanderbilt (and thus avoids, in favor of Penn ED).

source: my kid

True but not new for Duke. We called it "University of NJ at Durham". I loved it and met many great people from NJ, NY, as well as TX, FLA...now they have every state and many internationals so NJ has been diluted a bit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the state of reproductive healthcare in the South, and I can see it having real-life impacts on girls and boys attending colleges there.

I take your point, but also if you want the politics to change, having liberals move there is a good start. Some states, Mississippi, for example, are probably so deep red it won’t happen, but Tennessee, for example, has both Nashville and Memphis and two other large university towns in Knoxville (u of Tennessee) and Murfreesboro (Middle TN State, which is the second largest college in the state with probably 30,000 students). Those places are fairly progressive and are barely outnumbered by the more rural places in the rest of the state. The state as a whole is not nearly as red as its legislative assembly would suggest. Sure, the Smokeys might be deep red, but mountains and moonshine distilleries don’t vote.

I'm not going to ruin my family's life to try to save people who don't want to be saved.

This. Not taking chances with my children’s lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not a fan of the state of reproductive healthcare in the South, and I can see it having real-life impacts on girls and boys attending colleges there.

The rich out of state kids who go to the Southern flagships can afford to fly out of state to take care of such things.

Please stop: most of us are concerned about emergency situations when women are turned away from ERs and forced to bleed out in parking lots

Good luck, southerners

Actually we’re not.

I meant those who are concerned about the outrageous laws post-Dobbs. Whether my child can receive an elective/planned abortion isn’t the thing that worries me most. It is the emergency situations that scare me most. Texas basically said that a doctor can’t touch you until you are literally on the brink of death. No thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Normal kids aren’t looking for violence on their college campuses. Plain and simple.

Except now it's happening in Texas

https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/columbia-yale-university-protests-04-24-24/h_219e191f2ea01e0c35daa6e1469ad04b

Honestly we were just at Claremont McKenna. Beautiful weather. Kids playing beer pong and sunbathing. All very chill. Hard to compete.