“I’m a cultural Christian”, says Richard Dawkins

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Anonymous wrote:Atheists are out in force to pretend one of their Four Horseman heroes didn’t say Christianity is his choice for livable, moral, enjoyable society and culture.

He sure isn’t living in a country that atheism has been mandated by the state- nor are they. What? Atheism doesn’t equal utopia? Lol, no.

He said none of those things, you liar. Not in the article posted.

Wanna know what he said in that article?

Curiously, Dawkins also contends that while he enjoys the cultural ethos of Christianity, he wishes there were fewer Christians.

That's what he said. Yeah sounds like he's ready to join a monastery any day now. Any day.

Atheists are so pleasant and reasonable. That is all.

Which is it? Is he about to convert or is he horrible?

The point is PP and OP are dishonest and misrepresented the article referenced. Shameful.

“Shameful” atheist poster is here misrepresenting pp’s irony about an atheist poster’s nasty post. Another day on the Religion forum.

What was nasty about the post?

It simply quoted Dawkins from the article the OP linked. Then noted that PP purposefully and dishonestly mis-represented what the article said.

What, exactly, was “nasty”? Is that just more dishonesty and misrepresentation?

Calling pp a liar? Are you claiming Dawkins didn't say that Christianity was his choice for a society to live in?

Just read the posts above where pp claimed he said “Christianity is his choice for livable, moral, enjoyable society and culture.”

Not what he said.

Hence, lies from a liar.

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“I feel at home in the Christian ethos.”

Ethos is used to refer to the practices or values that distinguish one person, organization, or society from others.

Ethos refers to the character, credibility, and moral values a group or individual possesses.

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Anonymous wrote:Atheists are out in force to pretend one of their Four Horseman heroes didn’t say Christianity is his choice for livable, moral, enjoyable society and culture.

He sure isn’t living in a country that atheism has been mandated by the state- nor are they. What? Atheism doesn’t equal utopia? Lol, no.

He said none of those things, you liar. Not in the article posted.

Wanna know what he said in that article?

Curiously, Dawkins also contends that while he enjoys the cultural ethos of Christianity, he wishes there were fewer Christians.

That's what he said. Yeah sounds like he's ready to join a monastery any day now. Any day.

Atheists are so pleasant and reasonable. That is all.

Which is it? Is he about to convert or is he horrible?

The point is PP and OP are dishonest and misrepresented the article referenced. Shameful.

“Shameful” atheist poster is here misrepresenting pp’s irony about an atheist poster’s nasty post. Another day on the Religion forum.

What was nasty about the post?

It simply quoted Dawkins from the article the OP linked. Then noted that PP purposefully and dishonestly mis-represented what the article said.

What, exactly, was “nasty”? Is that just more dishonesty and misrepresentation?

Calling pp a liar? Are you claiming Dawkins didn't say that Christianity was his choice for a society to live in?

Just read the posts above where pp claimed he said “Christianity is his choice for livable, moral, enjoyable society and culture.”

Not what he said.

Hence, lies from a liar.

Not OP or that PP. But here's what Dawkins said in OP's link: "I feel at home in the Christian ethos. I feel that we are a Christian country in that sense”.

Dawkins also said, in the same link, that he'd choose Christianity: "If I had to choose between Christianity and Islam, I’d choose Christianity every single time. It seems to me to be a fundamentally decent religion in a way that I think Islam is not.”

Please explain why that pp's quote is so outrageous, especially wrt the bolded bits, that you couldn't stop yourself from calling her a liar. TIA.

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Anonymous wrote:Atheists are out in force to pretend one of their Four Horseman heroes didn’t say Christianity is his choice for livable, moral, enjoyable society and culture.

He sure isn’t living in a country that atheism has been mandated by the state- nor are they. What? Atheism doesn’t equal utopia? Lol, no.

He said none of those things, you liar. Not in the article posted.

Wanna know what he said in that article?

Curiously, Dawkins also contends that while he enjoys the cultural ethos of Christianity, he wishes there were fewer Christians.

That's what he said. Yeah sounds like he's ready to join a monastery any day now. Any day.

Atheists are so pleasant and reasonable. That is all.

Which is it? Is he about to convert or is he horrible?

The point is PP and OP are dishonest and misrepresented the article referenced. Shameful.

“Shameful” atheist poster is here misrepresenting pp’s irony about an atheist poster’s nasty post. Another day on the Religion forum.

What was nasty about the post?

It simply quoted Dawkins from the article the OP linked. Then noted that PP purposefully and dishonestly mis-represented what the article said.

What, exactly, was “nasty”? Is that just more dishonesty and misrepresentation?

Calling pp a liar? Are you claiming Dawkins didn't say that Christianity was his choice for a society to live in?

Just read the posts above where pp claimed he said “Christianity is his choice for livable, moral, enjoyable society and culture.”

Not what he said.

Hence, lies from a liar.

Not OP or that PP. But here's what Dawkins said in OP's link: "I feel at home in the Christian ethos. I feel that we are a Christian country in that sense”.

Dawkins also said, in the same link, that he'd choose Christianity: "If I had to choose between Christianity and Islam, I’d choose Christianity every single time. It seems to me to be a fundamentally decent religion in a way that I think Islam is not.”

Please explain why that pp's quote is so outrageous, especially wrt the bolded bits, that you couldn't stop yourself from calling her a liar. TIA.

PS, I don't agree with OP that Dawkins is going to convert. He's an atheist till he dies. But you seem really triggered that Dawkins even said nice things about Christianity, to the point where you're accusing a random internet stranger of lying, based on your own misreading of quotes from Dawkins. Maybe think about why you're so triggered, and maybe how you can roll with stuff like this next time.

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If you can’t see where the PP lied, then there is no hope for you and my argument is futile.

Saying “Christianity is his choice for livable, enjoyable, and moral society and culture” which he did NOT say and when it is decidedly NOT his choice for same, is a lie.

Saying Christianity is better than Islam is a very different statement indeed.

Saying “he wishes there were fewer Christians” is much more indicative of his positions.

Again, if you do not see how those purposeful misrepresentations = lies, then there is no willingness to be reasonable and therefore no need to continue to discuss.

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Anonymous wrote:If you can’t see where the PP lied, then there is no hope for you and my argument is futile.

Saying “Christianity is his choice for livable, enjoyable, and moral society and culture” which he did NOT say and when it is decidedly NOT his choice for same, is a lie.

Saying Christianity is better than Islam is a very different statement indeed.

Saying “he wishes there were fewer Christians” is much more indicative of his positions.

Again, if you do not see how those purposeful misrepresentations = lies, then there is no willingness to be reasonable and therefore no need to continue to discuss.

“I feel at home in the Christian ethos.” -Richard Dawkins

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Anonymous wrote:If you can’t see where the PP lied, then there is no hope for you and my argument is futile.

Saying “Christianity is his choice for livable, enjoyable, and moral society and culture” which he did NOT say and when it is decidedly NOT his choice for same, is a lie.

Saying Christianity is better than Islam is a very different statement indeed.

Saying “he wishes there were fewer Christians” is much more indicative of his positions.

Again, if you do not see how those purposeful misrepresentations = lies, then there is no willingness to be reasonable and therefore no need to continue to discuss.

So basically, you're rhetorically bankrupt and you have nothing useful to say except repeatedly calling posters liars, hopeless, and unreasonable. Then you do a hairflip and announce you're not going to continue the conversation.

Okay....

I'm not that pp, but it's obvious to me that you're splitting hairs, subjecting those hairs to dye and permanent waves, and then accusing people of not following you on that process. PP paraphrased Dawkins, so in the very strictest sense you're correct that he "never said" those exact same words. Yet the paraphrasing seems accurate. You're here quoting the part Dawkins about wishing there were fewer Christians, as if that were some kind of big gun. Yet you completely ignore that Dawkins said (as another poster here keeps repeating), “I sort of feel at home in the Christian ethos … We [Great Britain] are a ‘Christian country’ in that sense.”

All of which is pretty dishonest on your part.

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No you are both full of it. Words matter. You are liars and that's the end of it. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity can see that.

If you didn't intend to be dishonest, you would have used the actual words the first time.

But that wouldn't have fit your narrative, would it?

I'm out.

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Anonymous wrote:No you are both full of it. Words matter. You are liars and that's the end of it. Anyone with an ounce of objectivity can see that.

If you didn't intend to be dishonest, you would have used the actual words the first time.

But that wouldn't have fit your narrative, would it?

I'm out.

So you have no response besides insults. That's clear. Don't let the door slam behind you.

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Anonymous wrote:How weak must your conception of faith be if you think his saying “yeah, I kind of like Christmas carols” means “he’s almost accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and savior!”?

What really happened is Dawkins took a look around the UK and discovered that their post-Christian society was not becoming inhabited by enlightened new atheists, but instead devout Muslims.

And all of the sudden Christianity didn’t look quite so bad after all.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear why OP and others care so much about this random, British guy who is an atheist.

Not OP, but he's got a big mouth and is kinda hard to ignore.

Where do you hear him speaking?

go away, troll

Not a troll. Why don’t you want to answer? Do you subscribe to his newsletter or something?

He's in the news a lot. I know, I know, that requires reading, and maybe that's not your thing.

What’s your news source that covers him?

FoxNews? Bible Beaters Daily?

You're a troll. But to humor you.... that post was addressed to me. And I read the Guardian, NY Times, and others. Happy?

You frequently read about Dawkins in which of those?

Go back under your bridge

The only trolls here are the bullies who regularly antagonize atheists. Like it’s your job.

It’s not a tough question. Why won’t PP answer? Seems like it’s just because they’re full of crap.

Where is PP hearing so much about Hawkins? OP apparently read about it in some “Focus on the Family” newsletter.

So all of the people obsessed over Dawkins are hearing about him from “Focus on the Family”?

Cuz he doesn’t get covered much in The Guardian or NYT for you to hear about him frequently on those.

Unless you have other reasons for obsessing over this random guy…

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear why OP and others care so much about this random, British guy who is an atheist.

Not OP, but he's got a big mouth and is kinda hard to ignore.

Where do you hear him speaking?

go away, troll

Not a troll. Why don’t you want to answer? Do you subscribe to his newsletter or something?

He's in the news a lot. I know, I know, that requires reading, and maybe that's not your thing.

What’s your news source that covers him?

FoxNews? Bible Beaters Daily?

You're a troll. But to humor you.... that post was addressed to me. And I read the Guardian, NY Times, and others. Happy?

You frequently read about Dawkins in which of those?

Go back under your bridge

The only trolls here are the bullies who regularly antagonize atheists. Like it’s your job.

It’s not a tough question. Why won’t PP answer? Seems like it’s just because they’re full of crap.

Where is PP hearing so much about Hawkins? OP apparently read about it in some “Focus on the Family” newsletter.

So all of the people obsessed over Dawkins are hearing about him from “Focus on the Family”?

Cuz he doesn’t get covered much in The Guardian or NYT for you to hear about him frequently on those.

Unless you have other reasons for obsessing over this random guy…

OP posted a link. It doesn’t get easier than that for the rest of us.

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Q: Still waiting to hear why OP and others care so much about this random, British guy who is an atheist.

A: Not OP, but he's got a big mouth and is kinda hard to ignore.

Q: Where do you hear about him?

A: …

Embarrassed to admit that you read “Focus on the Family” newsletters?

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Anonymous wrote:Q: Still waiting to hear why OP and others care so much about this random, British guy who is an atheist.

A: Not OP, but he's got a big mouth and is kinda hard to ignore.

Q: Where do you hear about him?

A: …

Embarrassed to admit that you read “Focus on the Family” newsletters?

We read OP’s link. That should be easy for you to understand. I doubt anyone here reads Focus on the Family.

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Anonymous wrote:Q: Still waiting to hear why OP and others care so much about this random, British guy who is an atheist.

A: Not OP, but he's got a big mouth and is kinda hard to ignore.

Q: Where do you hear about him?

A: …

Embarrassed to admit that you read “Focus on the Family” newsletters?

We read OP’s link. That should be easy for you to understand. I doubt anyone here reads Focus on the Family.

Seems like OP does. And you, if you clicked on the link.

So you read a lot about him because some believer(s) are obsessed with him and frequently post about him on DCUM?