7/24/23 Trial of Usman Shahid -- driver who killed two Oakton teens

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there courtroom sketches available to the public? Anyone on this thread present at the trial and sentencing? Can you comment on what is going on? How is the defendant? How are his parents?

His mom "fainted" while Ada's mom was giving her victim impact statement. She explained how she had to go into a room to identify her daughters belongings and next she saw her baby girl in a cold room "forever asleep". I think it took Usmans mom hearing the victims moms experience to understand the magnitude of what her son had done! She was taken out of the court room to a separate room and later transported to the hospital.

I feel like the family may be used to using $$$ to fix problems, but this is a problem that money can't fix.

(((My opinions)))

Again, its all about the defense. Disgusting. Victim's mother couldn't even complete her statement w/o defense playing the victim.

Why would a middle age mother having an emotional breakdown seeing their child going to prison has to be a defense strategy? Don't make assumptions. She isn't on trial.

This is the person who let him drive the car and suggested he not take the plea deal. She doesn't live in reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there courtroom sketches available to the public? Anyone on this thread present at the trial and sentencing? Can you comment on what is going on? How is the defendant? How are his parents?

His mom "fainted" while Ada's mom was giving her victim impact statement. She explained how she had to go into a room to identify her daughters belongings and next she saw her baby girl in a cold room "forever asleep". I think it took Usmans mom hearing the victims moms experience to understand the magnitude of what her son had done! She was taken out of the court room to a separate room and later transported to the hospital.

I feel like the family may be used to using $$$ to fix problems, but this is a problem that money can't fix.

(((My opinions)))

Again, its all about the defense. Disgusting. Victim's mother couldn't even complete her statement w/o defense playing the victim.

Why would a middle age mother having an emotional breakdown seeing their child going to prison has to be a defense strategy? Don't make assumptions. She isn't on trial.

This is the person who let him drive the car and suggested he not take the plea deal. She doesn't live in reality.

She's also goingto be named in the civil suits since they bought the car. She probably passed out realizing she'll be broke af for the rest of her life.

[Anonymous]

There has to be some sort of liability on the parents when they knowingly allowed an unauthorized driver. He only has a permit to drive the car. Sorry but these parents are criminals as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There has to be some sort of liability on the parents when they knowingly allowed an unauthorized driver. He only has a permit to drive the car. Sorry but these parents are criminals as well.

He claimed during his sentencing statement that his parents did not know he took the car. I believe this eliminates their exposure and I'm sure Greenspun advised him to make this statement under oath for that purpose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There has to be some sort of liability on the parents when they knowingly allowed an unauthorized driver. He only has a permit to drive the car. Sorry but these parents are criminals as well.

He was 18, which is a legal adult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There has to be some sort of liability on the parents when they knowingly allowed an unauthorized driver. He only has a permit to drive the car. Sorry but these parents are criminals as well.

He claimed during his sentencing statement that his parents did not know he took the car. I believe this eliminates their exposure and I'm sure Greenspun advised him to make this statement under oath for that purpose.

Im not so sure this will indemnify them. They should have been more careful with the keys. Where were they when he took it? Had he ever taken it before?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has to be some sort of liability on the parents when they knowingly allowed an unauthorized driver. He only has a permit to drive the car. Sorry but these parents are criminals as well.

He claimed during his sentencing statement that his parents did not know he took the car. I believe this eliminates their exposure and I'm sure Greenspun advised him to make this statement under oath for that purpose.

Im not so sure this will indemnify them. They should have been more careful with the keys. Where were they when he took it? Had he ever taken it before?

The car was purchased 4 days prior to the crash and still had 30 day tag on it. So not sure that there is much history to go by.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There has to be some sort of liability on the parents when they knowingly allowed an unauthorized driver. He only has a permit to drive the car. Sorry but these parents are criminals as well.

What the parents did isn't criminal, but it's no doubt going to be the subject of the civil litigation. If they let him drive the car without someone over 21 accompanying him, as required by a learner's permit, they'd probably be liable for the damage he caused. Someone said he testified yesterday he drove the car without their knowledge--he was likely instructed to testify that by his lawyer in anticipation of the civil litigation. If, however, his parents bought him the car and gave it to him as a gift, then one might say they were implicitly allowing him to drive it without being licensed. The police reports could end up playing a big role; did he tell the police it was his parents' car or did he say he just got it as a gift?

[Anonymous]

I guarantee this isn’t the first time he took the car out. His parents were well aware he was driving it. How do they not notice the car is missing.

[Anonymous]

He had probably been driving the parents' other cars without supervision. It's unlikely that this was the first time he took the car or the first time he gunned any car that fast . Heck, when my kids were learning to drive, they didn't even know which streets were which. They had very little confidence.

This guy (Shahid) acted like he knew that area well and drove it like he owned the road....that seems like someone who has been driving by himself (unsupervised) before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There has to be some sort of liability on the parents when they knowingly allowed an unauthorized driver. He only has a permit to drive the car. Sorry but these parents are criminals as well.

He claimed during his sentencing statement that his parents did not know he took the car. I believe this eliminates their exposure and I'm sure Greenspun advised him to make this statement under oath for that purpose.

It does not. The car has to be registered in the name of someone with insurance. That can’t be Shahid since he didn’t have a license. His parents will be party to the civil lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Well he was an adult. Did he pay cash for the car and who was on the title to the car? Under whose name was his car insurance? He was with 2 friends during the crash. How old were these kids? I'm sure his parents let him take the BMW since it was his shiny new toy and he wanted to show it off.

[Anonymous]

If he was driving it home from school that day then it stands to reason he had to drive it to school that morning. Where were his parents during this time?

The parents had to be Ont he title since he wasn’t a licensed driver yet. Plus if there were any kind of car loan in their name the parents would have had to be on both (title and loan). Since he only had a learner’s permit the insurance was under the parents’ names. They are liable for that reason too.

Take this line of reasoning far enough (he took the car without permission) and the DA could say he stole the car and he could be prosecuted for that too.

[Anonymous]

I also what was going on with the friends in the car. Why did they run away after the accident? Seems odd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well he was an adult. Did he pay cash for the car and who was on the title to the car? Under whose name was his car insurance? He was with 2 friends during the crash. How old were these kids? I'm sure his parents let him take the BMW since it was his shiny new toy and he wanted to show it off.

By the police report - juveniles.