Lynne Harris: "People complain about Montgomery County Public Schools until they go somewhere else"

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing Harris or any board member says can be taken in good faith because nothing they do is in good faith.

No benefit of the doubt for people who have the power to hold the school system accountable but instead choose to be complicit in its scandals and failures.

Exactly like how they turned on Monifa even though they knew this whole incident dates back to prior adminsitrations.

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In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

She's got my support.

And you love what MCPS has become. You win!

Yes, it's as good or better than ever. You just have to look a little deeper and grasp that the county's demographics have changed greatly over the past few decades.

I know it may not be popular around here, but I agree. We've had an excellent experience with our kids, but we also prioritize education which isn't true for everyone these days.

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In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

She's got my support.

And you love what MCPS has become. You win!

Yes, it's as good or better than ever. You just have to look a little deeper and grasp that the county's demographics have changed greatly over the past few decades.

Denying that they've gotten worse and making excuses at the same time. Gold medal mental gymnastics.

Serious mental gymnastics. It would be impressive if the school system wasn’t so toxic and corrupt.

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In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

Good luck with that as a winning campaign message.

Interesting how people with valid complaints are always painted with the broad brush of “privilege” - such a deflection from serious issues.

Both can be true at the same time. MCPS Can have a top-notch and a top ranked education system, and people can also have valid complaints.

But see I would argue the first point factually isn’t true. Would challenge you to prove via NAEP and PISA scores they are even in top 20 for districts but oh MCPS doesn’t and hasn’t released those scores in years. DOD schools and districts around Boston do.

I think there a small pockets where gifted flock - but admin doesn’t brag about them since they detract from the rest of district. They are now to small to be statistically significant (IB at Montgomery, Poolesville and perhaps Blair)

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In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

Good luck with that as a winning campaign message.

Interesting how people with valid complaints are always painted with the broad brush of “privilege” - such a deflection from serious issues.

Both can be true at the same time. MCPS Can have a top-notch and a top ranked education system, and people can also have valid complaints.

But see I would argue the first point factually isn’t true. Would challenge you to prove via NAEP and PISA scores they are even in top 20 for districts but oh MCPS doesn’t and hasn’t released those scores in years. DOD schools and districts around Boston do.

I think there a small pockets where gifted flock - but admin doesn’t brag about them since they detract from the rest of district. They are now to small to be statistically significant (IB at Montgomery, Poolesville and perhaps Blair)

It is factually accurate.You know pretty well that if you look at the demographic cohort scores from 20 years things are the same or better. Instead, you are looking at a average which only shows the county's demographics are vastly different.

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In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

Good luck with that as a winning campaign message.

Interesting how people with valid complaints are always painted with the broad brush of “privilege” - such a deflection from serious issues.

Both can be true at the same time. MCPS Can have a top-notch and a top ranked education system, and people can also have valid complaints.

But see I would argue the first point factually isn’t true. Would challenge you to prove via NAEP and PISA scores they are even in top 20 for districts but oh MCPS doesn’t and hasn’t released those scores in years. DOD schools and districts around Boston do.

I think there a small pockets where gifted flock - but admin doesn’t brag about them since they detract from the rest of district. They are now to small to be statistically significant (IB at Montgomery, Poolesville and perhaps Blair)

It is factually accurate.You know pretty well that if you look at the demographic cohort scores from 20 years things are the same or better. Instead, you are looking at a average which only shows the county's demographics are vastly different.

Sure. And that cohort is doing a ton of supplementing just to keep scores where they are. Equity dictates that MCPS must spend millions of dollars less in schools in wealthier neighborhoods. This short-changes these families a lot.

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In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

Good luck with that as a winning campaign message.

That's why per student spending at Churchill and Whitman are among the highest in the count?

Interesting how people with valid complaints are always painted with the broad brush of “privilege” - such a deflection from serious issues.

Both can be true at the same time. MCPS Can have a top-notch and a top ranked education system, and people can also have valid complaints.

But see I would argue the first point factually isn’t true. Would challenge you to prove via NAEP and PISA scores they are even in top 20 for districts but oh MCPS doesn’t and hasn’t released those scores in years. DOD schools and districts around Boston do.

I think there a small pockets where gifted flock - but admin doesn’t brag about them since they detract from the rest of district. They are now to small to be statistically significant (IB at Montgomery, Poolesville and perhaps Blair)

It is factually accurate.You know pretty well that if you look at the demographic cohort scores from 20 years things are the same or better. Instead, you are looking at a average which only shows the county's demographics are vastly different.

Sure. And that cohort is doing a ton of supplementing just to keep scores where they are. Equity dictates that MCPS must spend millions of dollars less in schools in wealthier neighborhoods. This short-changes these families a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:

In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

Good luck with that as a winning campaign message.

Interesting how people with valid complaints are always painted with the broad brush of “privilege” - such a deflection from serious issues.

Both can be true at the same time. MCPS Can have a top-notch and a top ranked education system, and people can also have valid complaints.

But see I would argue the first point factually isn’t true. Would challenge you to prove via NAEP and PISA scores they are even in top 20 for districts but oh MCPS doesn’t and hasn’t released those scores in years. DOD schools and districts around Boston do.

I think there a small pockets where gifted flock - but admin doesn’t brag about them since they detract from the rest of district. They are now to small to be statistically significant (IB at Montgomery, Poolesville and perhaps Blair)

It is factually accurate.You know pretty well that if you look at the demographic cohort scores from 20 years things are the same or better. Instead, you are looking at a average which only shows the county's demographics are vastly different.

Sure. And that cohort is doing a ton of supplementing just to keep scores where they are. Equity dictates that MCPS must spend millions of dollars less in schools in wealthier neighborhoods. This short-changes these families a lot.

That must be why per-student spending at Churchill and Whitman is among the highest in the county.

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Anonymous wrote:

In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

Good luck with that as a winning campaign message.

Interesting how people with valid complaints are always painted with the broad brush of “privilege” - such a deflection from serious issues.

Both can be true at the same time. MCPS Can have a top-notch and a top ranked education system, and people can also have valid complaints.

But see I would argue the first point factually isn’t true. Would challenge you to prove via NAEP and PISA scores they are even in top 20 for districts but oh MCPS doesn’t and hasn’t released those scores in years. DOD schools and districts around Boston do.

I think there a small pockets where gifted flock - but admin doesn’t brag about them since they detract from the rest of district. They are now to small to be statistically significant (IB at Montgomery, Poolesville and perhaps Blair)

It is factually accurate.You know pretty well that if you look at the demographic cohort scores from 20 years things are the same or better. Instead, you are looking at a average which only shows the county's demographics are vastly different.

Sure. And that cohort is doing a ton of supplementing just to keep scores where they are. Equity dictates that MCPS must spend millions of dollars less in schools in wealthier neighborhoods. This short-changes these families a lot.

That must be why per-student spending at Churchill and Whitman is among the highest in the county.

This is patently false. MCPS spends millions more per year in schools like Springbrook and Wheaton than it does at Churchill or Whitman.

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In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

Good luck with that as a winning campaign message.

Interesting how people with valid complaints are always painted with the broad brush of “privilege” - such a deflection from serious issues.

Both can be true at the same time. MCPS Can have a top-notch and a top ranked education system, and people can also have valid complaints.

But see I would argue the first point factually isn’t true. Would challenge you to prove via NAEP and PISA scores they are even in top 20 for districts but oh MCPS doesn’t and hasn’t released those scores in years. DOD schools and districts around Boston do.

I think there a small pockets where gifted flock - but admin doesn’t brag about them since they detract from the rest of district. They are now to small to be statistically significant (IB at Montgomery, Poolesville and perhaps Blair)

It is factually accurate.You know pretty well that if you look at the demographic cohort scores from 20 years things are the same or better. Instead, you are looking at a average which only shows the county's demographics are vastly different.

Sure. And that cohort is doing a ton of supplementing just to keep scores where they are. Equity dictates that MCPS must spend millions of dollars less in schools in wealthier neighborhoods. This short-changes these families a lot.

That must be why per-student spending at Churchill and Whitman is among the highest in the county.

This is patently false. MCPS spends millions more per year in schools like Springbrook and Wheaton than it does at Churchill or Whitman.

It's actually true and the data was just posted here last week

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

In case it doesn't start, she said this at 1 hour and 48 minutes in.

Does this sound like the words or sentiment of an incumbent board member who realizes the BOE has been off track, failed in its oversight responsibilities and owes the public better than what it has given to students, parents and staff? Or does it sound like someone who thinks MCPS is doing just fine and everyone who's upset is just being unrealistic with their expectations and ungrateful and unappreciative of how amazing MCPS is?

Lynne is spot on here. Most of these complainers are just super high-maintenance privileged types. It's hard to take them seriously.

Good luck with that as a winning campaign message.

Interesting how people with valid complaints are always painted with the broad brush of “privilege” - such a deflection from serious issues.

Both can be true at the same time. MCPS Can have a top-notch and a top ranked education system, and people can also have valid complaints.

But see I would argue the first point factually isn’t true. Would challenge you to prove via NAEP and PISA scores they are even in top 20 for districts but oh MCPS doesn’t and hasn’t released those scores in years. DOD schools and districts around Boston do.

I think there a small pockets where gifted flock - but admin doesn’t brag about them since they detract from the rest of district. They are now to small to be statistically significant (IB at Montgomery, Poolesville and perhaps Blair)

It is factually accurate.You know pretty well that if you look at the demographic cohort scores from 20 years things are the same or better. Instead, you are looking at a average which only shows the county's demographics are vastly different.

Sure. And that cohort is doing a ton of supplementing just to keep scores where they are. Equity dictates that MCPS must spend millions of dollars less in schools in wealthier neighborhoods. This short-changes these families a lot.

That must be why per-student spending at Churchill and Whitman is among the highest in the county.

This is patently false. MCPS spends millions more per year in schools like Springbrook and Wheaton than it does at Churchill or Whitman.

It's actually true and the data was just posted here last week

Yep, https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-per-pupil-expenditure-by-each-high-school-2020-2022/#google_vignette

[Anonymous]

While Lynne defends the status quo of MCPS, more metrics prove that the system is failing our children.

SOURCE: https://montgomeryperspective.com/2024/04/01/mcpss-shocking-performance-on-college-and-career-readiness/

MCPS has been regarded as one of the best school systems in Maryland, and much of the nation, for a long time. But shocking stats on college and career readiness presented to the county council this week may call that into question.

On April 3, the council’s Education and Culture Committee is due to review college and career readiness (CCR) measures prepared by MCPS. CCR is one of the major topics addressed by the state’s Blueprint for Maryland’s Future program, which has established a set of interim measures for school districts. Montgomery College also has a set of CCR measures established to comply with the Blueprint.

The slide below is MCPS’s report on interim CCR measures for tenth graders.



For all 10th graders, 53% met the interim measures on English language arts, 10% met them on math and 9% met them on both. That’s right, folks – NINE PERCENT.

Now to the demographic subgroups. One-third or less of Latino, Emergent Multilingual Learner and Special Education 10th graders met the interim measures on English. Five percent or less of Black, Latino, Emergent Multilingual Learner, Special Education and FARMS (free and reduced price meals) 10th graders met the interim measures on math. And Asian 10th graders were the only subgroup to record at least one-quarter of 10th graders meeting interim measures on both English and math.

The jig is up. MCPS needs fixing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While Lynne defends the status quo of MCPS, more metrics prove that the system is failing our children.

SOURCE: https://montgomeryperspective.com/2024/04/01/mcpss-shocking-performance-on-college-and-career-readiness/

MCPS has been regarded as one of the best school systems in Maryland, and much of the nation, for a long time. But shocking stats on college and career readiness presented to the county council this week may call that into question.

On April 3, the council’s Education and Culture Committee is due to review college and career readiness (CCR) measures prepared by MCPS. CCR is one of the major topics addressed by the state’s Blueprint for Maryland’s Future program, which has established a set of interim measures for school districts. Montgomery College also has a set of CCR measures established to comply with the Blueprint.

The slide below is MCPS’s report on interim CCR measures for tenth graders.



For all 10th graders, 53% met the interim measures on English language arts, 10% met them on math and 9% met them on both. That’s right, folks – NINE PERCENT.

Now to the demographic subgroups. One-third or less of Latino, Emergent Multilingual Learner and Special Education 10th graders met the interim measures on English. Five percent or less of Black, Latino, Emergent Multilingual Learner, Special Education and FARMS (free and reduced price meals) 10th graders met the interim measures on math. And Asian 10th graders were the only subgroup to record at least one-quarter of 10th graders meeting interim measures on both English and math.

The jig is up. MCPS needs fixing.

Maybe we should change the way we assess these skills. This looks like a testing and evaluation problem, not a student problem. College expectations should reflect the skills of the students leaving high schools, so we can just lower the standards and then the numbers will look better and be more in line with what students are actually capable of producing. Through that lens, Im sure MCPS looks really good, probably one of the best.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:While Lynne defends the status quo of MCPS, more metrics prove that the system is failing our children.

SOURCE: https://montgomeryperspective.com/2024/04/01/mcpss-shocking-performance-on-college-and-career-readiness/

MCPS has been regarded as one of the best school systems in Maryland, and much of the nation, for a long time. But shocking stats on college and career readiness presented to the county council this week may call that into question.

On April 3, the council’s Education and Culture Committee is due to review college and career readiness (CCR) measures prepared by MCPS. CCR is one of the major topics addressed by the state’s Blueprint for Maryland’s Future program, which has established a set of interim measures for school districts. Montgomery College also has a set of CCR measures established to comply with the Blueprint.

The slide below is MCPS’s report on interim CCR measures for tenth graders.



For all 10th graders, 53% met the interim measures on English language arts, 10% met them on math and 9% met them on both. That’s right, folks – NINE PERCENT.

Now to the demographic subgroups. One-third or less of Latino, Emergent Multilingual Learner and Special Education 10th graders met the interim measures on English. Five percent or less of Black, Latino, Emergent Multilingual Learner, Special Education and FARMS (free and reduced price meals) 10th graders met the interim measures on math. And Asian 10th graders were the only subgroup to record at least one-quarter of 10th graders meeting interim measures on both English and math.

The jig is up. MCPS needs fixing.

Maybe we should change the way we assess these skills. This looks like a testing and evaluation problem, not a student problem. College expectations should reflect the skills of the students leaving high schools, so we can just lower the standards and then the numbers will look better and be more in line with what students are actually capable of producing. Through that lens, Im sure MCPS looks really good, probably one of the best.

This is precisely the arrogance and hubris of MCPS that we're talking about. The MSDE sets the standards, not MCPS. MCPS's job is to meet the standard.

[Anonymous]

MCPS has been regarded as one of the best school systems in Maryland, and much of the nation, for a long time. But shocking stats on college and career readiness presented to the county council this week may call that into question.

On April 3, the council’s Education and Culture Committee is due to review college and career readiness (CCR) measures prepared by MCPS. CCR is one of the major topics addressed by the state’s Blueprint for Maryland’s Future program, which has established a set of interim measures for school districts. Montgomery College also has a set of CCR measures established to comply with the Blueprint.

The slide below is MCPS’s report on interim CCR measures for tenth graders.



For all 10th graders, 53% met the interim measures on English language arts, 10% met them on math and 9% met them on both. That’s right, folks – NINE PERCENT.

Now to the demographic subgroups. One-third or less of Latino, Emergent Multilingual Learner and Special Education 10th graders met the interim measures on English. Five percent or less of Black, Latino, Emergent Multilingual Learner, Special Education and FARMS (free and reduced price meals) 10th graders met the interim measures on math. And Asian 10th graders were the only subgroup to record at least one-quarter of 10th graders meeting interim measures on both English and math.

Are you using the flawed MCAP testing to justify your belief that MCPS is failing?