University Rankings in 1925:Not much has changed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Considering DCUM didn't exist in 1925 and people weren't obsessed with arbitrary magazine rankings like they are now, I doubt that Wisco or even UMich were actually considered more prestigious than schools like UPenn, Dartmouth, Duke, etc.

Certainly not Wisconsin! Wisconsin booster at it again. Living in the past.

Don’t get this especial bashing of Wisconsin, and this is not the only time I’ve seen this happen on this forum. Nobody is saying Wisconsin is super prestigious. But the idea that Wisconsin~=Michigan academically is pretty non controversial among academics. What is it which makes east coasters tolerate Michigan, yet when Wisconsin shows (with the same department ranks) it’s a calamity.

Michigan easily bests Wisconsin in Business, Engineering, Law, Medicine, and others. They are comparable in Liberal Arts disciplines.

So chemistry is liberal arts now? No clue what you’re talking about with regards to medicine/business/engineering. Yes Michigan is ranked higher, but both are good. With engineering and medicine, the idea that Michigan “easily” beats them is about as absurd as the idea that the earth is flat.

Yes Wisco law school sucks. It’s probably impossible for it to be good because it is not in a major metro area. Notice how all the T14s are located in a major metro area.

[Anonymous]

Yes, chemistry is can be considered part of liberal arts.

“In the social sciences, majors in political science, economics, psychology, sociology, and anthropology would qualify as liberal arts degrees. And in the natural sciences, a liberal arts degree could be a major in biology, mathematics, chemistry, environmental science, or physics.”

I guess the earth is flat since:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate
Michigan #5
Wisconsin #17

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings

Michigan #7
Wisconsin #?


https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business

Michigan #4
Wisconsin #?

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

Michigan #12
Wisconsin #43

Medicine

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings

Michigan #13
Wisconsin #35

And just for laughs…..

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings?_sort=my_rankings-asc

Michigan #9
Wisconsin #36

I never said Wisconsin wasn’t good. I just said Michigan is easily better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Considering DCUM didn't exist in 1925 and people weren't obsessed with arbitrary magazine rankings like they are now, I doubt that Wisco or even UMich were actually considered more prestigious than schools like UPenn, Dartmouth, Duke, etc.

Certainly not Wisconsin! Wisconsin booster at it again. Living in the past.

Don’t get this especial bashing of Wisconsin, and this is not the only time I’ve seen this happen on this forum. Nobody is saying Wisconsin is super prestigious. But the idea that Wisconsin~=Michigan academically is pretty non controversial among academics. What is it which makes east coasters tolerate Michigan, yet when Wisconsin shows (with the same department ranks) it’s a calamity.

It's because of the NYCers who go to Michigan. They've been there, so they trust it.

"Wisco" needs to go to more Long Island college fairs. That's all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, chemistry is can be considered part of liberal arts.

“In the social sciences, majors in political science, economics, psychology, sociology, and anthropology would qualify as liberal arts degrees. And in the natural sciences, a liberal arts degree could be a major in biology, mathematics, chemistry, environmental science, or physics.”

I guess the earth is flat since:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate
Michigan #5
Wisconsin #17

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings

Michigan #7
Wisconsin #?


https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/business

Michigan #4
Wisconsin #?

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

Michigan #12
Wisconsin #43

Medicine

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings

Michigan #13
Wisconsin #35

And just for laughs…..

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings?_sort=my_rankings-asc

Michigan #9
Wisconsin #36

I never said Wisconsin wasn’t good. I just said Michigan is easily better.

I’ve been around long enough to remember that the widest I’ve ever seen them. In fact that wasn’t so long ago, in 2020 Public University Honors had Michigan and Wisconsin as roughly the same. Michigan, as you’ve rubbed in, has better professional schools. Wisconsin historically has had a dominant college of Letters and Science.

In fact, I’d go as far as to say that, regardless of what Michigan ranks in the college of letters of science, you can actually dismisses those rankings so long as you cannot read off any notable figure in such departments. With such an idea, you can totally dismiss Michigan’s medicine, engineering, and their entire college of Letters and Science: they’ve been totally insignificant and have produced no notable figures.

Wisconsin, on the other hand, has isolated stem cells, invented the transistor, defined the frontier thesis, introduced the first or second PHDs in history, geology, engineering, and computer science. Wisco simply went through a whole lot of crap with their budget cuts in the last decade. That doesn’t make Michigan a “better” school of the sudden. When examining the whole historical record, only Wisconsin and UChicago have been the defining institutions of the Midwest.

[Anonymous]

Once again the booster repeats his same old mantra ad nauseum. Nobody, including you, thinks these two schools are at the same level anymore academically. For overall prestige, Michigan easily bests Wisconsin. OOS Students admitted to both overwhelmingly chose Michigan. Frankly, it isn’t even close. I know how that bothers you, but that’s just the way it is. You should be proud that a school located in a state of only 5 million overachieved for so many years, as you constantly remind everyone here. That’s all in the past now. It’s over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once again the booster repeats his same old mantra ad nauseum. Nobody, including you, thinks these two schools are at the same level anymore academically. For overall prestige, Michigan easily bests Wisconsin. OOS Students admitted to both overwhelmingly chose Michigan. Frankly, it isn’t even close. I know how that bothers you, but that’s just the way it is. You should be proud that a school located in a state of only 5 million overachieved for so many years, as you constantly remind everyone here. That’s all in the past now. It’s over.

It’s not just that - no matter how it’s spun, an acceptance rate at or near 50% disqualifies Wisconsin from these kinds of discussions. Touting advances and inventions from the early 20th century is embarrassing, frankly. There’s only one big public that gets to live on its past laurels and that’s Berkeley.

[Anonymous]

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

Michigan #3








Wisconsin #12

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once again the booster repeats his same old mantra ad nauseum. Nobody, including you, thinks these two schools are at the same level anymore academically. For overall prestige, Michigan easily bests Wisconsin. OOS Students admitted to both overwhelmingly chose Michigan. Frankly, it isn’t even close. I know how that bothers you, but that’s just the way it is. You should be proud that a school located in a state of only 5 million overachieved for so many years, as you constantly remind everyone here. That’s all in the past now. It’s over.

It’s not just that - no matter how it’s spun, an acceptance rate at or near 50% disqualifies Wisconsin from these kinds of discussions. Touting advances and inventions from the early 20th century is embarrassing, frankly. There’s only one big public that gets to live on its past laurels and that’s Berkeley.

All schools get to live off their past laurels. Nothing wrong with that. It’s just that Cal has maintained its excellence. Michigan and UCLA have continued improving. Wisconsin’s best years were last century.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once again the booster repeats his same old mantra ad nauseum. Nobody, including you, thinks these two schools are at the same level anymore academically. For overall prestige, Michigan easily bests Wisconsin. OOS Students admitted to both overwhelmingly chose Michigan. Frankly, it isn’t even close. I know how that bothers you, but that’s just the way it is. You should be proud that a school located in a state of only 5 million overachieved for so many years, as you constantly remind everyone here. That’s all in the past now. It’s over.

Famous last words. You forget that UW Madison is also rising in popularity; not as much as Michigan, sure. But when Scott Walker shockingly lost election in 2018, OOS applications did grow pretty dramatically. They received 66,000 application for 2024: not as much as Michigan, but more than UIUC/UVA/UNC/Texas.