Anonymous
01/12/2020 23:48
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Is the airport free to explore Tokyo and Rome on her own? No. I went to Australia for 2 weeks with a family and literally never left the hotel once. On a plane with a screaming baby while my MB sat in business and took ambien. Working 24/7. Sharing a room with the kids. Being on call 24/7. Yeah. There’s lots of reasons aupairs and nannies don’t wanT to travel with families!!
I am sorry for your clearly traumatic experience - but it is certainly not universal. I pay for a separate hotel room or bedroom for my AP because she is working on these trips. She generally works her same schedule 8-4 with evenings and weekends off (or something akin, mornings and evenings with afternoons off) with a 45 hour cap. Any more than that, we pay for a hotel babysitter. On the plane we sit together in coach, usually the baby is worn by me, with occasional relief here and there. Our AP has gone to anime conventions, concerts, lessons, sporting events, lots of shopping, etc., on her off time. She can hang with us - or go out on her own when she's off - we will drop her off or help her take public transportation. We pay for her food and any excursion she takes DD to. So, our APs are generally happy with this arrangement, because we tell them in advance and discuss frequently. We give one week of vacation that she picks and one week that we pick - and if she prefers to break it up with long weekends here and there, we don't care.
Travel time should be considered work time.
Well, my travel time (as with many professionals) is not considered work time, so I am unaware on the regulation you are relying on for that statement. That said, on the days that we do travel, she is never alone with DD, and is only called into action if needed. Again, sorry for your trauma: your damage has clearly made you bitter and jaded about the AP program. We all wish you had never been an AP.
I'm a working professional and my travel time is considered work time. It it weren't, I wouldn't get reimbursed for meals.
If my job requires me to fly or drive somewhere other than my daily home office, I'm on their clock. Not mine.
If you are a salaried employee, it doesn’t matter how you consider your time. You may get reimbursed for meals and mileage, but I doubt any private employer would let you claim commute or travel time as part of your hours - the federal government does not.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 23:45
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Is the airport free to explore Tokyo and Rome on her own? No. I went to Australia for 2 weeks with a family and literally never left the hotel once. On a plane with a screaming baby while my MB sat in business and took ambien. Working 24/7. Sharing a room with the kids. Being on call 24/7. Yeah. There’s lots of reasons aupairs and nannies don’t wanT to travel with families!!
I am sorry for your clearly traumatic experience - but it is certainly not universal. I pay for a separate hotel room or bedroom for my AP because she is working on these trips. She generally works her same schedule 8-4 with evenings and weekends off (or something akin, mornings and evenings with afternoons off) with a 45 hour cap. Any more than that, we pay for a hotel babysitter. On the plane we sit together in coach, usually the baby is worn by me, with occasional relief here and there. Our AP has gone to anime conventions, concerts, lessons, sporting events, lots of shopping, etc., on her off time. She can hang with us - or go out on her own when she's off - we will drop her off or help her take public transportation. We pay for her food and any excursion she takes DD to. So, our APs are generally happy with this arrangement, because we tell them in advance and discuss frequently. We give one week of vacation that she picks and one week that we pick - and if she prefers to break it up with long weekends here and there, we don't care.
Travel time should be considered work time.
Well, my travel time (as with many professionals) is not considered work time, so I am unaware on the regulation you are relying on for that statement. That said, on the days that we do travel, she is never alone with DD, and is only called into action if needed. Again, sorry for your trauma: your damage has clearly made you bitter and jaded about the AP program. We all wish you had never been an AP.
I'm a working professional and my travel time is considered work time. It it weren't, I wouldn't get reimbursed for meals.
If my job requires me to fly or drive somewhere other than my daily home office, I'm on their clock. Not mine.
I call BS on this one. Commuting time is NOT on a professional clock. For example, lawyers can only ethically for spending time doing legal work. They cannot bill you for the time they spend in traffic or on a plane. They can ask you to reimburse expenses - but they do not get paid for travel time.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 23:42
Subject: Reset conversation
Incorrect - like your grammar.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Is the airport free to explore Tokyo and Rome on her own? No. I went to Australia for 2 weeks with a family and literally never left the hotel once. On a plane with a screaming baby while my MB sat in business and took ambien. Working 24/7. Sharing a room with the kids. Being on call 24/7. Yeah. There’s lots of reasons aupairs and nannies don’t wanT to travel with families!!
I am sorry for your clearly traumatic experience - but it is certainly not universal. I pay for a separate hotel room or bedroom for my AP because she is working on these trips. She generally works her same schedule 8-4 with evenings and weekends off (or something akin, mornings and evenings with afternoons off) with a 45 hour cap. Any more than that, we pay for a hotel babysitter. On the plane we sit together in coach, usually the baby is worn by me, with occasional relief here and there. Our AP has gone to anime conventions, concerts, lessons, sporting events, lots of shopping, etc., on her off time. She can hang with us - or go out on her own when she's off - we will drop her off or help her take public transportation. We pay for her food and any excursion she takes DD to. So, our APs are generally happy with this arrangement, because we tell them in advance and discuss frequently. We give one week of vacation that she picks and one week that we pick - and if she prefers to break it up with long weekends here and there, we don't care.
Travel time should be considered work time.
Well, my travel time (as with many professionals) is not considered work time, so I am unaware on the regulation you are relying on for that statement. That said, on the days that we do travel, she is never alone with DD, and is only called into action if needed. Again, sorry for your trauma: your damage has clearly made you bitter and jaded about the AP program. We all wish you had never been an AP.
Actually it is considered work time as a professional. Its pretty crappy to do that.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 23:41
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Haha so much for an American culture experience!
You have poor comprehension skills.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 22:35
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Is the airport free to explore Tokyo and Rome on her own? No. I went to Australia for 2 weeks with a family and literally never left the hotel once. On a plane with a screaming baby while my MB sat in business and took ambien. Working 24/7. Sharing a room with the kids. Being on call 24/7. Yeah. There’s lots of reasons aupairs and nannies don’t wanT to travel with families!!
I am sorry for your clearly traumatic experience - but it is certainly not universal. I pay for a separate hotel room or bedroom for my AP because she is working on these trips. She generally works her same schedule 8-4 with evenings and weekends off (or something akin, mornings and evenings with afternoons off) with a 45 hour cap. Any more than that, we pay for a hotel babysitter. On the plane we sit together in coach, usually the baby is worn by me, with occasional relief here and there. Our AP has gone to anime conventions, concerts, lessons, sporting events, lots of shopping, etc., on her off time. She can hang with us - or go out on her own when she's off - we will drop her off or help her take public transportation. We pay for her food and any excursion she takes DD to. So, our APs are generally happy with this arrangement, because we tell them in advance and discuss frequently. We give one week of vacation that she picks and one week that we pick - and if she prefers to break it up with long weekends here and there, we don't care.
Travel time should be considered work time.
Well, my travel time (as with many professionals) is not considered work time, so I am unaware on the regulation you are relying on for that statement. That said, on the days that we do travel, she is never alone with DD, and is only called into action if needed. Again, sorry for your trauma: your damage has clearly made you bitter and jaded about the AP program. We all wish you had never been an AP.
I'm a working professional and my travel time is considered work time. It it weren't, I wouldn't get reimbursed for meals.
If my job requires me to fly or drive somewhere other than my daily home office, I'm on their clock. Not mine.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 21:30
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Is the airport free to explore Tokyo and Rome on her own? No. I went to Australia for 2 weeks with a family and literally never left the hotel once. On a plane with a screaming baby while my MB sat in business and took ambien. Working 24/7. Sharing a room with the kids. Being on call 24/7. Yeah. There’s lots of reasons aupairs and nannies don’t wanT to travel with families!!
I am sorry for your clearly traumatic experience - but it is certainly not universal. I pay for a separate hotel room or bedroom for my AP because she is working on these trips. She generally works her same schedule 8-4 with evenings and weekends off (or something akin, mornings and evenings with afternoons off) with a 45 hour cap. Any more than that, we pay for a hotel babysitter. On the plane we sit together in coach, usually the baby is worn by me, with occasional relief here and there. Our AP has gone to anime conventions, concerts, lessons, sporting events, lots of shopping, etc., on her off time. She can hang with us - or go out on her own when she's off - we will drop her off or help her take public transportation. We pay for her food and any excursion she takes DD to. So, our APs are generally happy with this arrangement, because we tell them in advance and discuss frequently. We give one week of vacation that she picks and one week that we pick - and if she prefers to break it up with long weekends here and there, we don't care.
Travel time should be considered work time.
Well, my travel time (as with many professionals) is not considered work time, so I am unaware on the regulation you are relying on for that statement. That said, on the days that we do travel, she is never alone with DD, and is only called into action if needed. Again, sorry for your trauma: your damage has clearly made you bitter and jaded about the AP program. We all wish you had never been an AP.
Actually it is considered work time as a professional. Its pretty crappy to do that.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 21:04
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Haha so much for an American culture experience!
Anonymous
01/12/2020 20:30
Subject: Reset conversation
I don’t see how travel time must be considered work time if the au pair isn’t working. I get it if she is watching the kids but if she’s just sitting in a plane seat and not doing anything, or in a car with the family, she’s not working.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 20:25
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Is the airport free to explore Tokyo and Rome on her own? No. I went to Australia for 2 weeks with a family and literally never left the hotel once. On a plane with a screaming baby while my MB sat in business and took ambien. Working 24/7. Sharing a room with the kids. Being on call 24/7. Yeah. There’s lots of reasons aupairs and nannies don’t wanT to travel with families!!
I am sorry for your clearly traumatic experience - but it is certainly not universal. I pay for a separate hotel room or bedroom for my AP because she is working on these trips. She generally works her same schedule 8-4 with evenings and weekends off (or something akin, mornings and evenings with afternoons off) with a 45 hour cap. Any more than that, we pay for a hotel babysitter. On the plane we sit together in coach, usually the baby is worn by me, with occasional relief here and there. Our AP has gone to anime conventions, concerts, lessons, sporting events, lots of shopping, etc., on her off time. She can hang with us - or go out on her own when she's off - we will drop her off or help her take public transportation. We pay for her food and any excursion she takes DD to. So, our APs are generally happy with this arrangement, because we tell them in advance and discuss frequently. We give one week of vacation that she picks and one week that we pick - and if she prefers to break it up with long weekends here and there, we don't care.
Travel time should be considered work time.
Well, my travel time (as with many professionals) is not considered work time, so I am unaware on the regulation you are relying on for that statement. That said, on the days that we do travel, she is never alone with DD, and is only called into action if needed. Again, sorry for your trauma: your damage has clearly made you bitter and jaded about the AP program. We all wish you had never been an AP.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 20:05
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Is the airport free to explore Tokyo and Rome on her own? No. I went to Australia for 2 weeks with a family and literally never left the hotel once. On a plane with a screaming baby while my MB sat in business and took ambien. Working 24/7. Sharing a room with the kids. Being on call 24/7. Yeah. There’s lots of reasons aupairs and nannies don’t wanT to travel with families!!
I am sorry for your clearly traumatic experience - but it is certainly not universal. I pay for a separate hotel room or bedroom for my AP because she is working on these trips. She generally works her same schedule 8-4 with evenings and weekends off (or something akin, mornings and evenings with afternoons off) with a 45 hour cap. Any more than that, we pay for a hotel babysitter. On the plane we sit together in coach, usually the baby is worn by me, with occasional relief here and there. Our AP has gone to anime conventions, concerts, lessons, sporting events, lots of shopping, etc., on her off time. She can hang with us - or go out on her own when she's off - we will drop her off or help her take public transportation. We pay for her food and any excursion she takes DD to. So, our APs are generally happy with this arrangement, because we tell them in advance and discuss frequently. We give one week of vacation that she picks and one week that we pick - and if she prefers to break it up with long weekends here and there, we don't care.
Travel time should be considered work time.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 18:24
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:So I guess op doesn’t want to come back and explain how the au pair is getting her 1.5 days off when she’s working all week plus going to the snow house on weekends. She just wants to come back and comment when it’s osmething that makes her look good and the au pair look bad. How about following the rules of the program? You can’t look after your own kids 1.5 days a week? Sounds like a great parent!!
Op here. Did you miss my posts explaining how much I look after my kids? I bet I do significantly more than many working mothers. If ap is working on the weekends she gets other time off. Usually all day Monday or Wednesday, In addition to whatever day on the weekend she isn’t working. Not all host families are bound to the 1.5 consecutive days off, it’s just 1.5 days off total, which my ap who usually works 25ish hours a week more than gets. I more than follow the rules of the program. There is zero rule that the au pair is only “allowed” to work in one place.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 18:05
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Is the airport free to explore Tokyo and Rome on her own? No. I went to Australia for 2 weeks with a family and literally never left the hotel once. On a plane with a screaming baby while my MB sat in business and took ambien. Working 24/7. Sharing a room with the kids. Being on call 24/7. Yeah. There’s lots of reasons aupairs and nannies don’t wanT to travel with families!!
I am sorry for your clearly traumatic experience - but it is certainly not universal. I pay for a separate hotel room or bedroom for my AP because she is working on these trips. She generally works her same schedule 8-4 with evenings and weekends off (or something akin, mornings and evenings with afternoons off) with a 45 hour cap. Any more than that, we pay for a hotel babysitter. On the plane we sit together in coach, usually the baby is worn by me, with occasional relief here and there. Our AP has gone to anime conventions, concerts, lessons, sporting events, lots of shopping, etc., on her off time. She can hang with us - or go out on her own when she's off - we will drop her off or help her take public transportation. We pay for her food and any excursion she takes DD to. So, our APs are generally happy with this arrangement, because we tell them in advance and discuss frequently. We give one week of vacation that she picks and one week that we pick - and if she prefers to break it up with long weekends here and there, we don't care.
Anonymous
01/12/2020 16:50
Subject: Reset conversation
*is the au pair, not airport!!
Anonymous
01/12/2020 16:50
Subject: Reset conversation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I travel frequently for work and have thus far always brought infant now toddler. I screen for au pairs who like to travel and put it in our handbook. I have taken au pairs to Europe, Asia, and random boring to gritty US cities. If AP doesn’t want to for all or part of the trip, she has to use her vacation time (it’s never happened). Our AP gets every evening and weekend off, but works until 4:00 on Friday. I don’t feel bad if she’s “stuck in Rehoboth or Rome or Tokyo or Kansas City. A an AP that is really in it for the cultural exchange should be able to entertain herself for the odd weekend away.
That is really crummy.
Yeah, who wants to go to Rome or Tokyo? The horror! You actually were up front about your needs with the AP upfront, she agreed to them, and then you have the audacity to take her to Europe??? True Cruella Daville stuff, this is.
Is the airport free to explore Tokyo and Rome on her own? No. I went to Australia for 2 weeks with a family and literally never left the hotel once. On a plane with a screaming baby while my MB sat in business and took ambien. Working 24/7. Sharing a room with the kids. Being on call 24/7. Yeah. There’s lots of reasons aupairs and nannies don’t wanT to travel with families!!
Anonymous
01/12/2020 16:47
Subject: Reset conversation
So I guess op doesn’t want to come back and explain how the au pair is getting her 1.5 days off when she’s working all week plus going to the snow house on weekends. She just wants to come back and comment when it’s osmething that makes her look good and the au pair look bad. How about following the rules of the program? You can’t look after your own kids 1.5 days a week? Sounds like a great parent!!