Anonymous
Post 03/13/2015 14:15     Subject: I am so fed up...
Anonymous wrote:Not a nanny, and while I wouldn't post my kids pictures on Facebook I;m not going to not take pictures of them in their diapers or a bath time they are great memories for their baby books. I have sent their grandmothers bath time videos because they can be quite cute and funny during that time. I disagree with you that their rights are being violated. If my children feel that way when they are older they are free to curse me when talking to their therapist and press charges against me.


Their rights are violated if/when you put those images on the internet, as you can no longer control who the audience is. (Even if you think you can, even if you have the most locked-down FB possible, it is still stored in servers and those servers are hacked. And also accessible by people unknown to you.)

But no, grandma enjoying a bath time video is not a violation. I'm sorry I made it sound that way; my issue is non-custodial adults putting naked images of under-18s online where anyone can view them. THAT is a violation.
Anonymous
Post 03/13/2015 14:12     Subject: I am so fed up...
Anonymous wrote:I'm going to step out on a limb and say the vast majority of adults who had naked bath or diaper photos as children and people sharing them do not have a problem with it.

Those that feel violated are

1. have been actually abused so their view of innocent and not innocent is damaged

or

2. mentally ill


I'm the OP. There are naked pictures of me in the tub that were sent to grandparents, aunts, and uncles, as well as stored in the family photo album. I absolutely do not think that is a violation.

If those photos had been placed on the internet, I would feel violated. If those photos had been placed on the internet by a babysitter, whoa. And if the FBI showed up because I was identified in pictures confiscated from a pedophile's files, I'd be beyond upset.

I want to be clear that I don't think posting a naked photo is going to bring a pedophile to your doorstep, but do you even want there to be the possibility some pervert downloads the photo to fantasize about later? If you think pedos aren't all over FB and twitter and tumblr following hashtags like #bathtime and #diaperfree you're kidding yourself.
Anonymous
Post 03/13/2015 14:05     Subject: I am so fed up...
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Anonymous wrote:I'm a nanny who does this and I don't see the problem. The babies are always cutest in the bath and such. Maybe you just need to get over yourself?


I'm a nanny and you are in the wrong. That child is NOT YOURS. You have no right to post pictures of your charge on social media. You are crossing a line and breaking the law. I hope you get slapped with a lawsuit and charges.

The fact that you see nothing wrong is worse. How old are you? You clearly aren't responsible enough to care for a child.


I'm 30, I've been with this family for over 3 years. The kids are 4 and 6. I'm basically part of the family. There is nothing wrong with it, it is innocent. None of my FB friends are looking at the pictures inappropriately and they get many likes.


Do you have the permission of their parents to post pictures?

If not you are completely in the wrong.

You should know permission or not it's not just you and your FB friends that can see those pictures.


Even if you have the parents' permission to take pictures, the children are incapable of giving consent. You are violating their rights by sharing naked images of them online.

Please respond to my earlier post inquiring how you rationalize each objection I raised.


Are you the same nanny that refuses to change a baby's diaper if the older sibling is around?


No.
Anonymous
Post 03/13/2015 12:58     Subject: I am so fed up...
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Anonymous wrote:I'm a nanny who does this and I don't see the problem. The babies are always cutest in the bath and such. Maybe you just need to get over yourself?


I'm a nanny and you are in the wrong. That child is NOT YOURS. You have no right to post pictures of your charge on social media. You are crossing a line and breaking the law. I hope you get slapped with a lawsuit and charges.

The fact that you see nothing wrong is worse. How old are you? You clearly aren't responsible enough to care for a child.


I'm 30, I've been with this family for over 3 years. The kids are 4 and 6. I'm basically part of the family. There is nothing wrong with it, it is innocent. None of my FB friends are looking at the pictures inappropriately and they get many likes.


Do you have the permission of their parents to post pictures?

If not you are completely in the wrong.

You should know permission or not it's not just you and your FB friends that can see those pictures.


Even if you have the parents' permission to take pictures, the children are incapable of giving consent. You are violating their rights by sharing naked images of them online.

Please respond to my earlier post inquiring how you rationalize each objection I raised.


Are you the same nanny that refuses to change a baby's diaper if the older sibling is around?
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 23:09     Subject: I am so fed up...
Anyone directly contact INA on this issue yet?
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 13:33     Subject: I am so fed up...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is why I left INA, nanny care tribe, and nanny biz reviews, how can any professional organization that claim to raise the standards be OK with posting charges on social media permision or not. Shame on the APNA if they condone this with agencies in their organization. Any big name nannies that do post pictures have one big ugly name, shame on you for taking the standards down.

I distanced myself from these organizations for similar reasons.


I did as well. Which is unfortunate because I was initially excited to include them in my portfolio and use them as a resource for my career, but there was too much I didn't like and I fear it left a black mark on my reputation.
It's unfortunate that these organizations are the face of nannies.
But word is slowly getting out, before I left there was talk that some agencies were taking note of memberships and in general being a member or associated with certain groups was a red flag.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 13:29     Subject: I am so fed up...
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Anonymous wrote:INA and APNA simply MUST address this problem, and request appropriate behavior of its members.

This is mandatory.


Yes. Declaring things anonymously on an internet forum makes them mandatory.
What a stupid response.


Actually it is not a stupid response. Nannies want to be seen as professionals and have organizational memberships most professional organizations have standards as of conduct as part of their guidelines for membership. INA and APNA should add this to their standards for membership it should be the for front of their agenda.

But, you are probably one of THOSE nannies from THAT group that sees nothing wrong with this behavior.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 13:00     Subject: I am so fed up...
Anonymous wrote:INA and APNA simply MUST address this problem, and request appropriate behavior of its members.

This is mandatory.


Yes. Declaring things anonymously on an internet forum makes them mandatory.
What a stupid response.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 12:22     Subject: I am so fed up...
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I'm a nanny who does this and I don't see the problem. The babies are always cutest in the bath and such. Maybe you just need to get over yourself?


I'm a nanny and you are in the wrong. That child is NOT YOURS. You have no right to post pictures of your charge on social media. You are crossing a line and breaking the law. I hope you get slapped with a lawsuit and charges.

The fact that you see nothing wrong is worse. How old are you? You clearly aren't responsible enough to care for a child.


I'm 30, I've been with this family for over 3 years. The kids are 4 and 6. I'm basically part of the family. There is nothing wrong with it, it is innocent. None of my FB friends are looking at the pictures inappropriately and they get many likes.


Do you have the permission of their parents to post pictures?

If not you are completely in the wrong.

You should know permission or not it's not just you and your FB friends that can see those pictures.


Even if you have the parents' permission to take pictures, the children are incapable of giving consent. You are violating their rights by sharing naked images of them online.

Please respond to my earlier post inquiring how you rationalize each objection I raised.


Children have few, if any, rights that they get to exercise on their own. Most of a childs rights are decided by the parent (i.e. children don't have the right to refuse medical treatment, their parent makes those choices for them) and this is no different. It's not some horrible sexual exploitation to take a picture of a baby in their birthday suit. I guess technically the doctors were violating babies rights when they were in the delivery room when the baby was delivered.... naked! Gasp.

Rational people will realize no one cares. I've looked back at my own baby pictures and find the photos of me naked in funny situations adorable. I love the stories that go with those photos and the resulting memories and I will NOT allow you and your psychotic issues to ruin that for my own children. If my nanny were to also snap a cute bath time picture and share it with me I would not be offended. You are simply crazy and should seek help.

Perhaps you should come out of your bubble, and understand that not everyone is just like you. Nor is every family just like yours. Thank you.


Perhaps you, or PP if that is not you, should because unlike PP I am not pushing my views on others. I am doing what I see fit and simply stating I will not allow PP to push their views on my life.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 11:45     Subject: I am so fed up...
INA and APNA simply MUST address this problem, and request appropriate behavior of its members.

This is mandatory.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 11:13     Subject: I am so fed up...
Anonymous wrote:This is why I left INA, nanny care tribe, and nanny biz reviews, how can any professional organization that claim to raise the standards be OK with posting charges on social media permision or not. Shame on the APNA if they condone this with agencies in their organization. Any big name nannies that do post pictures have one big ugly name, shame on you for taking the standards down.

I distanced myself from these organizations for similar reasons.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 10:16     Subject: I am so fed up...
I have posted pictures of my kids in the tub online no genitalia showing just a cute photo of the 3 of them in the tub with their toys. I have family and friends across the globe and we occasionally all post various photos of the kids. I realize there is a chance someone do not know will see the photos.

However I find what I am doing different to the nanny who takes photos of the kids and posts pictures ( any pictures )to a group of people largely unknown to me and to her as well.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 10:07     Subject: I am so fed up...
Kids in generally do not have a problem with nudity they would run around naked if we let them the issues come from adult perversions and body shaming.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2015 10:06     Subject: I am so fed up...
I'm going to step out on a limb and say the vast majority of adults who had naked bath or diaper photos as children and people sharing them do not have a problem with it.

Those that feel violated are

1. have been actually abused so their view of innocent and not innocent is damaged

or

2. mentally ill