Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 20:52     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?"

No one is asking you to practice Jewish beliefs. You just have to follow the rules of the house and put the dishes were they belong. End of story.

When you take a job, you agree to there terms of employment. If that means putting dishes in a drawer, then you agree to do it when you take the job. A job is voluntary. You don't want to honor the house rules, don't take the job. Pretty simple.

I would never pay extra for someone to follow the house rules and I would fire a nanny who would willfully ignore them, especially if the house rules were very important to me.

Here's where you are completely missing the boat:
For an unemployed poor person,
a job is NOT exactly "voluntary."
She will take whatever she can get.
The lower your wages,
the more you just have to deal with that reality.
I don't think you have the capacity to get that.
So be it.


Just remember, you are alway replaceable. If you want a high paying job, get an education in an area that pays well and get a job in that. You aren't going to get rich off of being a nanny.


So says the typical absentee parent,
about the primary caregiver of her child?
Let's hope not, for God's sake.
Heaven help us.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 19:45     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?"

No one is asking you to practice Jewish beliefs. You just have to follow the rules of the house and put the dishes were they belong. End of story.

When you take a job, you agree to there terms of employment. If that means putting dishes in a drawer, then you agree to do it when you take the job. A job is voluntary. You don't want to honor the house rules, don't take the job. Pretty simple.

I would never pay extra for someone to follow the house rules and I would fire a nanny who would willfully ignore them, especially if the house rules were very important to me.

Here's where you are completely missing the boat:
For an unemployed poor person,
a job is NOT exactly "voluntary."
She will take whatever she can get.
The lower your wages,
the more you just have to deal with that reality.
I don't think you have the capacity to get that.
So be it.


Just remember, you are alway replaceable. If you want a high paying job, get an education in an area that pays well and get a job in that. You aren't going to get rich off of being a nanny.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 19:02     Subject: Re:New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Ummm ... a mistake? We don't "do" sins. There's a hebrew phrase for something that basically means "an act against God." So maybe it'd be called that. There's another hebrew phrase that means like, "not according to the torah" or more loosely "not the Jewish way."

For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?


Well. Because you're just respecting the way the house is run. It's like putting the white laundry in this bag and the dark laundry in that bag. It has nothing to do with praying. It doesn't compromise your beliefs in any way. It's putting these things in one place and those things in another place. You're thinking way too much about the reasoning behind it.


Like some of the other Jewish posters in this thread have said, it doesn't even make sense to them but they do it because it is their religion, you really can't expect someone non-religious to come in and go out of their way to do that. Like you example, if a family told me they separate their laundry by number of pockets on each item I would just throw them all together anyways if I wasn't being watched because it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't matter.


Then, do not accept the job. Simple.

Poverty. Poor. Take whatever comes your way. Reality.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 18:58     Subject: Re:New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Ummm ... a mistake? We don't "do" sins. There's a hebrew phrase for something that basically means "an act against God." So maybe it'd be called that. There's another hebrew phrase that means like, "not according to the torah" or more loosely "not the Jewish way."

For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?


Well. Because you're just respecting the way the house is run. It's like putting the white laundry in this bag and the dark laundry in that bag. It has nothing to do with praying. It doesn't compromise your beliefs in any way. It's putting these things in one place and those things in another place. You're thinking way too much about the reasoning behind it.


Like some of the other Jewish posters in this thread have said, it doesn't even make sense to them but they do it because it is their religion, you really can't expect someone non-religious to come in and go out of their way to do that. Like you example, if a family told me they separate their laundry by number of pockets on each item I would just throw them all together anyways if I wasn't being watched because it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't matter.


Then, do not accept the job. Simple.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 17:09     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:Nanny here.

I worked for a Jewish family who kept Kosher. For the kids meals I would just give them dairy since they would want milk as a beverage anyway.

As for the belief system, I respected it. I did not purposely put dishes in the wrong cabinet or mix the two. It was not about my beliefs. Once I did accidentally grab a dairy plate and put turkey slices on it. I told the family and they assured me that it was okay and these things happen.

It is about mutual respect. They understood that I do not keep Kosher, and therefore would take some getting used to their rules. I understand that their religion is important to them, in their home.

They did pay above market, but not by a huge amount. I will admit, a few times I may have dropped a meat fork into the dairy side of the sink, and I made sure to clean it really well so it was not impure. But I would never have purposely just said "Well forget it!" and mixed the two.

Good that they at least did pay you extra.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 14:28     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
Nanny here.

I worked for a Jewish family who kept Kosher. For the kids meals I would just give them dairy since they would want milk as a beverage anyway.

As for the belief system, I respected it. I did not purposely put dishes in the wrong cabinet or mix the two. It was not about my beliefs. Once I did accidentally grab a dairy plate and put turkey slices on it. I told the family and they assured me that it was okay and these things happen.

It is about mutual respect. They understood that I do not keep Kosher, and therefore would take some getting used to their rules. I understand that their religion is important to them, in their home.

They did pay above market, but not by a huge amount. I will admit, a few times I may have dropped a meat fork into the dairy side of the sink, and I made sure to clean it really well so it was not impure. But I would never have purposely just said "Well forget it!" and mixed the two.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 14:18     Subject: Re:New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:
Ummm ... a mistake? We don't "do" sins. There's a hebrew phrase for something that basically means "an act against God." So maybe it'd be called that. There's another hebrew phrase that means like, "not according to the torah" or more loosely "not the Jewish way."

For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?


Well. Because you're just respecting the way the house is run. It's like putting the white laundry in this bag and the dark laundry in that bag. It has nothing to do with praying. It doesn't compromise your beliefs in any way. It's putting these things in one place and those things in another place. You're thinking way too much about the reasoning behind it.


Like some of the other Jewish posters in this thread have said, it doesn't even make sense to them but they do it because it is their religion, you really can't expect someone non-religious to come in and go out of their way to do that. Like you example, if a family told me they separate their laundry by number of pockets on each item I would just throw them all together anyways if I wasn't being watched because it's absolutely ridiculous and doesn't matter.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 13:30     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:"For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?"

No one is asking you to practice Jewish beliefs. You just have to follow the rules of the house and put the dishes were they belong. End of story.

When you take a job, you agree to there terms of employment. If that means putting dishes in a drawer, then you agree to do it when you take the job. A job is voluntary. You don't want to honor the house rules, don't take the job. Pretty simple.

I would never pay extra for someone to follow the house rules and I would fire a nanny who would willfully ignore them, especially if the house rules were very important to me.

Here's where you are completely missing the boat:
For an unemployed poor person,
a job is NOT exactly "voluntary."
She will take whatever she can get.
The lower your wages,
the more you just have to deal with that reality.
I don't think you have the capacity to get that.
So be it.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 13:28     Subject: Re:New live-in for Jewish family
Ummm ... a mistake? We don't "do" sins. There's a hebrew phrase for something that basically means "an act against God." So maybe it'd be called that. There's another hebrew phrase that means like, "not according to the torah" or more loosely "not the Jewish way."

For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?


Well. Because you're just respecting the way the house is run. It's like putting the white laundry in this bag and the dark laundry in that bag. It has nothing to do with praying. It doesn't compromise your beliefs in any way. It's putting these things in one place and those things in another place. You're thinking way too much about the reasoning behind it.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 13:23     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
"For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?"

No one is asking you to practice Jewish beliefs. You just have to follow the rules of the house and put the dishes were they belong. End of story.

When you take a job, you agree to there terms of employment. If that means putting dishes in a drawer, then you agree to do it when you take the job. A job is voluntary. You don't want to honor the house rules, don't take the job. Pretty simple.

I would never pay extra for someone to follow the house rules and I would fire a nanny who would willfully ignore them, especially if the house rules were very important to me.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 13:19     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Ummm ... a mistake? We don't "do" sins. There's a hebrew phrase for something that basically means "an act against God." So maybe it'd be called that. There's another hebrew phrase that means like, "not according to the torah" or more loosely "not the Jewish way."

For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?


BECAUSE IT ISN'T ABOUT YOU!!! you don't have to keep kosher at home, or be Jewish. Or anything. But if you take a job with this as part of your tasks, why are you better than your job duties?

If you go to someone's house where they all take their shoes off at the door, do you run around with your shoes on?

No one here is better than anyone else, FYI. Especially, not you, thank you.

Most of us understand and appreciate taking off our shoes at the front door. I'm sure you do too.

Now, the point is, you need to PAY above and beyond, if you EXPECT above and beyond. If you can't afford to, or don't feel like it, simply hire a Jewish nanny. Wouldn't that be a simple solution to your problem? And cheaper for you?

Why don't you get that? It seems so obvious to me.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 13:04     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:
Ummm ... a mistake? We don't "do" sins. There's a hebrew phrase for something that basically means "an act against God." So maybe it'd be called that. There's another hebrew phrase that means like, "not according to the torah" or more loosely "not the Jewish way."

For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?


BECAUSE IT ISN'T ABOUT YOU!!! you don't have to keep kosher at home, or be Jewish. Or anything. But if you take a job with this as part of your tasks, why are you better than your job duties?

If you go to someone's house where they all take their shoes off at the door, do you run around with your shoes on?
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 13:03     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
so the lesson here is "stick with your own kind".

so glad to know George Wallace came back as a nanny!
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 13:01     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:This is such a ridiculous thread.

I am a Jewish MB and keep a kosher home. My nanny has worked for many kosher-keeping families and has no problems putting the dairy forks in the dairy drawer and the meat forks in the meat drawer. If she doesnt know where to put something, she leaves it on the counter.

She doesnt mix meat and dairy for the kids food, same way she would avoid certain foods if we had allergies. Its really not that big a deal and requires neither special training nor extra pay.

Any nanny who is purposely putting forks in the wrong drawer is lazy and disrespectful and that has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with a poor work ethic.


If you put a meat fork and dairy spoon on the same counter what happens?

Anyone?


Seriously? This thread is getting out of hand. It's really obnoxious to make fun of anyone's religious beliefs and customs. If anyone made light of a nanny's Christmas traditions what do you think the reaction would be here? Nothing happens if a meat fork and a diary fork are on the same counter.


Honestly I was just curious, I wrote nothing but a simple question, you took it offensively. I am curious because if the separation is so strict as to require separate dishwasher, sinks, plates, drawers etc.... how can you put a spoon with milk on it and a fork with bits of meat on the same counter... the counter would need to be destroyed. It just doesn't make sense.


No, the counter wouldn't need to be destroyed. Firstly, it'd be the nanny's "sin" (though we don't really do sins, but I'm using word you'd understand) rather than the family's, and secondly, you just would clean the counter extra well. Probably the way you would before Passover.

If a Jewish person committed such a "sin," what would you call it, rather than a "sin"?


Ummm ... a mistake? We don't "do" sins. There's a hebrew phrase for something that basically means "an act against God." So maybe it'd be called that. There's another hebrew phrase that means like, "not according to the torah" or more loosely "not the Jewish way."

For those who aren't Jewish, why demand that they practice Jewish beliefs? Shouldn't it be voluntary, not forced?
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2014 13:01     Subject: New live-in for Jewish family
People are seriously idiots. Morons.

If you don't know anything about Judaism, and think of it as "less than" because you're an evangelical Christian, you're a pathetic person for a variety of reasons, but even more so for taking a job and misleading your employer by agreeing to follow basic rules as outlined when the offer of employment was made. That's how little pride you have in yourself and your job?

I go to work every day. I basically disagree with my agencies agenda at my job, but I go to it every day and perform my functions. It's called respect and a work ethic.

Lastly, my jewish family always had non-Jews as housekeepers and all that, especially during the high holidays when having 20+ people over was too much for one person to handle. The housekeepers were always respectful nevermind that they were your average white Christian. They helped cook traditional foods, cleaned the way it needed to be done, ect. They were like family and got Christmas gifts and all that. I can't even IMAGINE any of them saying they were forced to believe our religion simply by making matzo ball soup or putting dairy dishes in a different cabinet. I just can't see that being something they, with good jobs, would care about.

Pride and respect.

Jews don't have sins. Jews don't have hell. Well, I guess "hell is other people" is proven by this thread!